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Both Silvia's are gone. GSP retired. You're just gonna have to watch and read up on the sport in its current ( ) element to see whom you enjoy watching these days. The sport has evolved intensely over the last 10 years. Some really amazing talent out there now.

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Silva.. stupid phone.. lol

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

I've lost interest since Lesnar lost his title and titles not lasting very long in peoples hands now a days, so...

Who are the big stars now? Where are GSP, Silva etc? are these guys done? Who are the new guys to watch?

-Anderson Silva is not gone (although his last 5 fights have been 4 losses and 1 NC). He lost his last fight to Daniel Cormier in July 2016. He was a last minute replacement for the suspended Jon Jones.
-GSP retired a few years back, has been trying to negotiate with UFC to return, but they are stalling on money. Back when GSP fought, you could still get sponsorship money from your own sponsors. Now that UFC is full-on Reebok, fighters lose out on the money BIG TIME. GSP wants to be compensated for the difference. Dana White keeps telling the press "GSP doesn't want to fight".
-Rousey is probably done.
-Conor McGregor is the one to watch, although after he won the second title, he said he won't be back for at least 10 months (October 2017), as he has a baby on the way.
-Cody Garbrandt was the first guy to beat Dominick Cruz in 10 years, to win the Bantamweight title. Money says he will go up against TJ Dillishaw next.
-Jon Jones is back in July 2017 from suspension.
-the heavyweight division is thin as fuck. Velazquez had to be pulled from ANOTHER fight due to not being fit to fight (the NSAC found out he had surgery scheduled for 5 days after the fight Dec 30-denied him his licence)
-Cyborg just got suspended for doping (she's the invicta champ but also fights in UFC-she's the one Dana White called "Wanderlei Silva in a dress"). With that, and with Rousey on the downswing, that superfight will now never happen.

basically, all the guys that were dominant just a few or even two years ago are losing their steam. Robbie Lawler, Johny Hendricks (who just missed weight a THIRD TIME and then lost the decision to Neil Magny), Anthony Pettis, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velasquez, Jose Aldo, Rousey, the list goes on.

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For sure! I thought Anderson was o longer fighting. I stand corrected. But yeah, as HFD pointed out, the selection is pretty much all new.

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Connor is a trip, but definitely has the talent. And Cody Garbrandt is going to be awesome if he keeps training the way he has been.

chadwick

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HughFreakingDillon

whispering hands said:

Connor is a trip, but definitely has the talent. And Cody Garbrandt is going to be awesome if he keeps training the way he has been.

I have mixed feelings about Connor. I was a fan in the beginning, then when he started his Ric Flair jet-flying-limousine-riding schtick where it was all about money and fast cars and big houses, it annoyed me. have some freaking humility. and then he lost to Nate Diaz, HANDILY, and kept talking about how he was the best in the world still. Give the guy props for jumping two weight classes to fight him on short notice, but still. it's great for entertainment and PPV buys, as I'm sure I'm not in the minority of people who have switched from watching to see him win to watching to see him lose. I just want someone to shut his mouth. I thought Alvarez would. He DOMINATED. So props to him for backing it up.

And no, I don't hate on all success stories. I dislike pompous asses. I love Rousey. I am sad she's probably done. I'm rooting for Jon Jones to come back and shut Daniel Cormier's mouth. The most boring fighter on the roster.

The issue I have with this "double champ" business is, it's only 15 pound difference between weight classes. that's not a massive difference. it's not like he is the featherweight and light heavyweight champion. I'm sure many guys would have/could have done the same thing if Dana had given them the chance to do so. Connor gets what he wants. It's unfortunate because, as good as he is, I think if other guys had been afforded the same things as he has been, he wouldn't be considered so special.

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HughFreakingDillon said:

whispering hands said:

Connor is a trip, but definitely has the talent. And Cody Garbrandt is going to be awesome if he keeps training the way he has been.

I have mixed feelings about Connor. I was a fan in the beginning, then when he started his Ric Flair jet-flying-limousine-riding schtick where it was all about money and fast cars and big houses, it annoyed me. have some freaking humility. and then he lost to Nate Diaz, HANDILY, and kept talking about how he was the best in the world still. Give the guy props for jumping two weight classes to fight him on short notice, but still. it's great for entertainment and PPV buys, as I'm sure I'm not in the minority of people who have switched from watching to see him win to watching to see him lose. I just want someone to shut his mouth. I thought Alvarez would. He DOMINATED. So props to him for backing it up.

And no, I don't hate on all success stories. I dislike pompous asses. I love Rousey. I am sad she's probably done. I'm rooting for Jon Jones to come back and shut Daniel Cormier's mouth. The most boring fighter on the roster.

The issue I have with this "double champ" business is, it's only 15 pound difference between weight classes. that's not a massive difference. it's not like he is the featherweight and light heavyweight champion. I'm sure many guys would have/could have done the same thing if Dana had given them the chance to do so. Connor gets what he wants. It's unfortunate because, as good as he is, I think if other guys had been afforded the same things as he has been, he wouldn't be considered so special.

Very strong points. I look at it this way. Every fighter has 1-3 Peak stretches in
Their career; in general that is enough. However this sport has evolved into the likes of horse racing, where freaks in the sport start appearing less and less. So those peaks are becoming harder and harder to maintain. The advantage of human sport is that there's strategy mixed in with the genetics, training, and passion and drive.
So I watch each fight with an open mind/clean slate theory. Yes, I choose according to personality as well, however, there is as well the ability to walk your talk. I think Connor is serious and will train and fight with heart, because like Secretariat in HIS sport, Connor loves what he does. Does he need to get his head knocked around a bit more?? Yep. He definitely needs to learn some humility. And Rousey has a legacy. She stood out, she succeeded as far as she could.. But in her way through, she changed an entire sport.. period. I wish her all the best, but she needs to learn to get bashed on the face, if she wants to keep fighting.

HughFreakingDillon

whispering hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

whispering hands said:

Connor is a trip, but definitely has the talent. And Cody Garbrandt is going to be awesome if he keeps training the way he has been.

I have mixed feelings about Connor. I was a fan in the beginning, then when he started his Ric Flair jet-flying-limousine-riding schtick where it was all about money and fast cars and big houses, it annoyed me. have some freaking humility. and then he lost to Nate Diaz, HANDILY, and kept talking about how he was the best in the world still. Give the guy props for jumping two weight classes to fight him on short notice, but still. it's great for entertainment and PPV buys, as I'm sure I'm not in the minority of people who have switched from watching to see him win to watching to see him lose. I just want someone to shut his mouth. I thought Alvarez would. He DOMINATED. So props to him for backing it up.

And no, I don't hate on all success stories. I dislike pompous asses. I love Rousey. I am sad she's probably done. I'm rooting for Jon Jones to come back and shut Daniel Cormier's mouth. The most boring fighter on the roster.

The issue I have with this "double champ" business is, it's only 15 pound difference between weight classes. that's not a massive difference. it's not like he is the featherweight and light heavyweight champion. I'm sure many guys would have/could have done the same thing if Dana had given them the chance to do so. Connor gets what he wants. It's unfortunate because, as good as he is, I think if other guys had been afforded the same things as he has been, he wouldn't be considered so special.

Very strong points. I look at it this way. Every fighter has 1-3 Peak stretches in
Their career; in general that is enough. However this sport has evolved into the likes of horse racing, where freaks in the sport start appearing less and less. So those peaks are becoming harder and harder to maintain. The advantage of human sport is that there's strategy mixed in with the genetics, training, and passion and drive.
So I watch each fight with an open mind/clean slate theory. Yes, I choose according to personality as well, however, there is as well the ability to walk your talk. I think Connor is serious and will train and fight with heart, because like Secretariat in HIS sport, Connor loves what he does. Does he need to get his head knocked around a bit more?? Yep. He definitely needs to learn some humility. And Rousey has a legacy. She stood out, she succeeded as far as she could.. But in her way through, she changed an entire sport.. period. I wish her all the best, but she needs to learn to get bashed on the face, if she wants to keep fighting.

or how to put her hands up so she doesn't get bashed in the face. or go for the clinch right away like usual. for someone so dominant for so long, her striking defence is AWFUL. which is the main reason she should never have tried to stand up and strike with women whose striking is their strength. that was just unbelievably bad coaching.

there's an interesting theory that has been discussed about Rousey and her actual skill vs her hype; that she wasn't all that good to begin with, and once fighters realized she's beatable, they weren't defeated before getting in the cage. it appeared as though Holm wasn't scared, and Nunez definitely wasn't. that is a massive shift in momentum. once fighters were able to get past the first blitz of the first minute or so, their chances of winning increased exponentially. Sara McMann (pretty sure it was her) almost did it by getting Rousey's back and nearly tearing her head off.

Connor is entertaining, no doubt about that. I follow him on Twitter, and he posted a pic of himself in front of his mansion on the mountainside overlooking the water, with the caption "I'd hate me too". I just abhor materialism or people that think that they are superior because of their money. Maybe he's humble at home away from the cameras and whatnot, maybe it's just a persona, but he can come off as such a dick.

igotid88

Every fighter doesn't have a long shelf life in terms of being dominant in the UFC. I don't think we'll ever see a fighter go 40-0. Unless I missed it

HughFreakingDillon

igotid88 said:

Every fighter doesn't have a long shelf life in terms of being dominant in the UFC. I don't think we'll ever see a fighter go 40-0. Unless I missed it

Cruz went 10 years. Aldo went 13. Anderson went I think 7 or 8. But you're right, that's the exception, not the rule. it would also be pretty boring if someone never lost. they become mayweather. most dominant/boring boxer in history.

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HughFreakingDillon said:

whispering hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

whispering hands said:

Connor is a trip, but definitely has the talent. And Cody Garbrandt is going to be awesome if he keeps training the way he has been.

I have mixed feelings about Connor. I was a fan in the beginning, then when he started his Ric Flair jet-flying-limousine-riding schtick where it was all about money and fast cars and big houses, it annoyed me. have some freaking humility. and then he lost to Nate Diaz, HANDILY, and kept talking about how he was the best in the world still. Give the guy props for jumping two weight classes to fight him on short notice, but still. it's great for entertainment and PPV buys, as I'm sure I'm not in the minority of people who have switched from watching to see him win to watching to see him lose. I just want someone to shut his mouth. I thought Alvarez would. He DOMINATED. So props to him for backing it up.

And no, I don't hate on all success stories. I dislike pompous asses. I love Rousey. I am sad she's probably done. I'm rooting for Jon Jones to come back and shut Daniel Cormier's mouth. The most boring fighter on the roster.

The issue I have with this "double champ" business is, it's only 15 pound difference between weight classes. that's not a massive difference. it's not like he is the featherweight and light heavyweight champion. I'm sure many guys would have/could have done the same thing if Dana had given them the chance to do so. Connor gets what he wants. It's unfortunate because, as good as he is, I think if other guys had been afforded the same things as he has been, he wouldn't be considered so special.

Very strong points. I look at it this way. Every fighter has 1-3 Peak stretches in
Their career; in general that is enough. However this sport has evolved into the likes of horse racing, where freaks in the sport start appearing less and less. So those peaks are becoming harder and harder to maintain. The advantage of human sport is that there's strategy mixed in with the genetics, training, and passion and drive.
So I watch each fight with an open mind/clean slate theory. Yes, I choose according to personality as well, however, there is as well the ability to walk your talk. I think Connor is serious and will train and fight with heart, because like Secretariat in HIS sport, Connor loves what he does. Does he need to get his head knocked around a bit more?? Yep. He definitely needs to learn some humility. And Rousey has a legacy. She stood out, she succeeded as far as she could.. But in her way through, she changed an entire sport.. period. I wish her all the best, but she needs to learn to get bashed on the face, if she wants to keep fighting.

or how to put her hands up so she doesn't get bashed in the face. or go for the clinch right away like usual. for someone so dominant for so long, her striking defence is AWFUL. which is the main reason she should never have tried to stand up and strike with women whose striking is their strength. that was just unbelievably bad coaching.

there's an interesting theory that has been discussed about Rousey and her actual skill vs her hype; that she wasn't all that good to begin with, and once fighters realized she's beatable, they weren't defeated before getting in the cage. it appeared as though Holm wasn't scared, and Nunez definitely wasn't. that is a massive shift in momentum. once fighters were able to get past the first blitz of the first minute or so, their chances of winning increased exponentially. Sara McMann (pretty sure it was her) almost did it by getting Rousey's back and nearly tearing her head off.

Connor is entertaining, no doubt about that. I follow him on Twitter, and he posted a pic of himself in front of his mansion on the mountainside overlooking the water, with the caption "I'd hate me too". I just abhor materialism or people that think that they are superior because of their money. Maybe he's humble at home away from the cameras and whatnot, maybe it's just a persona, but he can come off as such a dick.

I totally get that about McGregor. Never met him, but he seems a bit of a showman., but as for Rousey. She was good.. at a very select skill set. Her ground game is phenomenal in areas.. but her striking game and defense there of, is just awful, I agree

SVRDhand13

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

Every fighter doesn't have a long shelf life in terms of being dominant in the UFC. I don't think we'll ever see a fighter go 40-0. Unless I missed it

Cruz went 10 years. Aldo went 13. Anderson went I think 7 or 8. But you're right, that's the exception, not the rule. it would also be pretty boring if someone never lost. they become mayweather. most dominant/boring boxer in history.

Jones has only ever lost by DQ. I think he was on the path to be the biggest MMA fighter ever. I was ecstatic when I saw him destroy Rua in person for the title when he was only 23. Too bad he turned out to be a jerk.

HughFreakingDillon

SVRDhand13 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

igotid88 said:

Every fighter doesn't have a long shelf life in terms of being dominant in the UFC. I don't think we'll ever see a fighter go 40-0. Unless I missed it

Cruz went 10 years. Aldo went 13. Anderson went I think 7 or 8. But you're right, that's the exception, not the rule. it would also be pretty boring if someone never lost. they become mayweather. most dominant/boring boxer in history.

Jones has only ever lost by DQ. I think he was on the path to be the biggest MMA fighter ever. I was ecstatic when I saw him destroy Rua in person for the title when he was only 23. Too bad he turned out to be a jerk.

yeah, and my opinion is that should have been a warning, not a DQ.

he's had some issues, for sure, but based on what he says in interviews now and online, he seems like he's turned things around. we shall see if he can keep it going.

check out joe rogan's podcast with him on it. it's just a one on one. and he seems sincere.

HughFreakingDillon

jesus, Jon. how stupid are you?

Jason P

Jon Jones is in the hall of fame for super talented athletes whose only kryptonit is their brain.  What a dumb, dumb man.

HughFreakingDillon

maybe cormier paid someone to taint one of jon's supplements! LOL

Wobbie

just saw an ad for this ridiculous "sport."

terrible.

career choice of losers.

HughFreakingDillon

Wobbie said:

just saw an ad for this ridiculous "sport."

terrible.

career choice of losers.

it's not a "sport". it's a sport. you don't have to like it, but it's legit. 

Wobbie

I see the losers are at it again, tonight.

loser sport; loser fans.