Paid Sick Day bill gains support

backseatLover12

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/05/paid-sick-days_n_6999830.html?utm_content=20150406_bo_paid-sick-leave_families_2&utm_campaign=socnet_fb_ECON_20150406_bo_paid-sick-leave_families_2&utm_source=fb&awesm=ofa.bo_d4Hc&utm_medium=socnet&source=socnet_fb_ECON_20150406_bo_paid-sick-leave_families_2

hedonist

I don't quite get why women's groups specifically champion this (or maybe it's how the author chose to present it?) - to me, it's more of a human thing regardless of gender. Plus given that a bout of the flu can knock you out for a week, it makes sense.

Should it come to pass, I hope the time is given equally without preference toward sex, being a parent, etc.

How it could affect smaller businesses, not sure.

PJ_Soul

I think paid sick leave is really important. We all get it at my work except for the temps. They don't get a dime if they call in sick. So of course, they come to work sick when the rest of us wouldn't. The next thing you know, 6 other staff members have called in sick for a couple days each because they caught what the temp had.and spread it around ... so to avoid paying 2 days worth of pay for the temp - 14 hours of paid work - the office loses 84 hours of paid work, plus got several people sick, who probably went on to make some of their family sick, and so on. That is absolutely ludicrous.

rr165892

It should not be mandated.It should be up to the employer and individual companies.
Maybe if you a company that receives any federal $$, or subsidies then ok,but forcing this on a private buisness can have over reaching ramifications.I can't see this for employers that have less then 20 employees.Sorry guys.

Mark my words this will get abused.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

It should not be mandated.It should be up to the employer and individual companies.
Maybe if you a company that receives any federal $$, or subsidies then ok,but forcing this on a private buisness can have over reaching ramifications.I can't see this for employers that have less then 20 employees.Sorry guys.

Mark my words this will get abused.

The same argument was made against mandated overtime pay and mandated minimum wages, but businesses carry on nonetheless.

rgambs

I'm not saying there shouldn't be exemptions, but I am not a fan of the "less than 15 or 20" exemptions... Businesses like law firms, Dr. Offices, dentists, optometrists, accounting firms, etc. often fall into this exemption despite the fact that they do more than a half mill in gross revenue. This leaves the employees boned on health insurance and many other benefits, including federal protection on alot of issues. Meanwhile, the professional cleans up on a few hundred G a year and so what... Their businesses would be stronger and their employees much better if they invested more in humanity than stocks, that's just common sense.
It may sound doomy gloomy, but everywhere we have looked, that's the model we see in use at professional offices.
Becca won't be running her office like that, that's for damn sure.

Last-12-Exit

I'm all for paid sick days. Prior to my current job (which I've had for 8 years), I did not have paid sick leave with any job I had. I had to use either vacation or not get paid. The only time I ever called out of work was when I got what I call the death flu about 12 years ago. It kept me out of work for 3 days. It took me almost 6 months to climb out of that hole.

rr165892

rgambs said:

I'm not saying there shouldn't be exemptions, but I am not a fan of the "less than 15 or 20" exemptions... Businesses like law firms, Dr. Offices, dentists, optometrists, accounting firms, etc. often fall into this exemption despite the fact that they do more than a half mill in gross revenue. This leaves the employees boned on health insurance and many other benefits, including federal protection on alot of issues. Meanwhile, the professional cleans up on a few hundred G a year and so what... Their businesses would be stronger and their employees much better if they invested more in humanity than stocks, that's just common sense.
It may sound doomy gloomy, but everywhere we have looked, that's the model we see in use at professional offices.
Becca won't be running her office like that, that's for damn sure.

Gambs,Then put in thresholds so small businesses don't get fucked.I pay 100% of my employees Health insurance.

I also just let a girl in my office go because in the 6 weeks she has been employed she has only made it thru 1 full week.5 of the other weeks she missed at least 1 and on two weeks 2 days.Sick,kid issues,car issues,house issues.Why should I not only have to cover her work and create longer work days for her co workers doing her work,but the also pay her for being a softy and missing extensive time.Her train wreck personal life needs not to affect her employment,and it did.

I'm a generous employer,but I will not be taken advantage of.

the Govt takes enough of my money and mandates enough counter productive bullshit and red tape to make being in buisness a pain(ok,labor of love)but I don't need them mandating even more regulations.And forcing me into a situation.
If I have a trusted hard working employee,I will cover the sick days and days off anyway,because I care.and want to.
if I think they earned it and have been valuable of course.
the last thing small businesses need is more government ass probing.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

I'm not saying there shouldn't be exemptions, but I am not a fan of the "less than 15 or 20" exemptions... Businesses like law firms, Dr. Offices, dentists, optometrists, accounting firms, etc. often fall into this exemption despite the fact that they do more than a half mill in gross revenue. This leaves the employees boned on health insurance and many other benefits, including federal protection on alot of issues. Meanwhile, the professional cleans up on a few hundred G a year and so what... Their businesses would be stronger and their employees much better if they invested more in humanity than stocks, that's just common sense.
It may sound doomy gloomy, but everywhere we have looked, that's the model we see in use at professional offices.
Becca won't be running her office like that, that's for damn sure.

Gambs,Then put in thresholds so small businesses don't get fucked.I pay 100% of my employees Health insurance.

I also just let a girl in my office go because in the 6 weeks she has been employed she has only made it thru 1 full week.5 of the other weeks she missed at least 1 and on two weeks 2 days.Sick,kid issues,car issues,house issues.Why should I not only have to cover her work and create longer work days for her co workers doing her work,but the also pay her for being a softy and missing extensive time.Her train wreck personal life needs not to affect her employment,and it did.

I'm a generous employer,but I will not be taken advantage of.

the Govt takes enough of my money and mandates enough counter productive bullshit and red tape to make being in buisness a pain(ok,labor of love)but I don't need them mandating even more regulations.And forcing me into a situation.
If I have a trusted hard working employee,I will cover the sick days and days off anyway,because I care.and want to.
if I think they earned it and have been valuable of course.
the last thing small businesses need is more government ass probing.

The last thing small businesses like YOURS need is more mandates, but there are alot of business owners out there who aren't as good of people as you are.
I definitely believe in your style of business, high reward for high accountability. That girl fucked up, she tried to take advantage when she should have known how to give before she received.

My wifes boss (optometrist $250,000/year): no health, no sick pay, doesn't buy lunch EVER (even for staff meetings, it's not his job to feed people, but I have never seen a Dr office where doc doesn't buy lunch occasionally.) underpays, and doesn't give any direction... You can imagine he doesn't get the best out of his 4 employees..not by a long shot.

hedonist

rgambs said:

The last thing small businesses like YOURS need is more mandates, but there are alot of business owners out there who aren't as good of people as you are.
I definitely believe in your style of business, high reward for high accountability. That girl fucked up, she tried to take advantage when she should have known how to give before she received.

My wifes boss (optometrist $250,000/year): no health, no sick pay, doesn't buy lunch EVER (even for staff meetings, it's not his job to feed people, but I have never seen a Dr office where doc doesn't buy lunch occasionally.) underpays, and doesn't give any direction... You can imagine he doesn't get the best out of his 4 employees..not by a long shot.

I can't say I'd lower my personal work ethic due to a shitty boss but oh man do I get the mindset.

Can understand an owner looking out for the business, but there are so many ways to make your employees happy, appreciated

rgambs

hedonist said:

rgambs said:

The last thing small businesses like YOURS need is more mandates, but there are alot of business owners out there who aren't as good of people as you are.
I definitely believe in your style of business, high reward for high accountability. That girl fucked up, she tried to take advantage when she should have known how to give before she received.

My wifes boss (optometrist $250,000/year): no health, no sick pay, doesn't buy lunch EVER (even for staff meetings, it's not his job to feed people, but I have never seen a Dr office where doc doesn't buy lunch occasionally.) underpays, and doesn't give any direction... You can imagine he doesn't get the best out of his 4 employees..not by a long shot.

I can't say I'd lower my personal work ethic due to a shitty boss but oh man do I get the mindset.

Can understand an owner looking out for the business, but there are so many ways to make your employees happy, appreciated

I wouldn't say they lack work ethic, they just lack a "give a damn". That's the key right there.

rr165892

Entitlement mentality or over playing your role also is up there with a don't give a shit attitude.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

Entitlement mentality or over playing your role also is up there with a don't give a shit attitude.

It depends on how you look at it. Where you might see entitlement attitude on the part of the employee, I might see an attitude on the part of the employer. I don't have a name for it, but it's the attitude of "you are lucky to have a job and should be thankful I employ you, take what I give and be grateful"
This attitude is all too common among people with money. It's the age old capital vs labor debate where many more on the captial side don't seem to recognize the fact that they can't succeed without labor.
Why should an employee go above and beyond the required level of competency if it won't be recognized and appreciated, and if the employer only meets his/her required level of competency without going above.

I am closely acquainted with both sides, and I say that if you want your business to excel and not just exist, it starts with you and not your employees. You put the effort forth for excellence and then it is fair to expect excellence from your employees.

hedonist

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Entitlement mentality or over playing your role also is up there with a don't give a shit attitude.

It depends on how you look at it. Where you might see entitlement attitude on the part of the employee, I might see an attitude on the part of the employer. I don't have a name for it, but it's the attitude of "you are lucky to have a job and should be thankful I employ you, take what I give and be grateful"
This attitude is all too common among people with money. It's the age old capital vs labor debate where many more on the captial side don't seem to recognize the fact that they can't succeed without labor.
Why should an employee go above and beyond the required level of competency if it won't be recognized and appreciated, and if the employer only meets his/her required level of competency without going above.

I am closely acquainted with both sides, and I say that if you want your business to excel and not just exist, it starts with you and not your employees. You put the effort forth for excellence and then it is fair to expect excellence from your employees.

Totally with that up there, gambs - though I will say even when I had the ultimate bitch-boss (thankfully was short-term), I still put forth the extra effort even though she ignored it.

But yes again. In a way, employers are like parents in that they set the example, maybe the bar too.

This one chick we recently hired - she's nice enough, has a little boy - but my god, her attitude toward work within her first couple months, I've been told "I didn't feel like working today" and "you're just lucky I'm doing this for you". The fuck? She's about to be let go for that mindset and overall lack of accuracy, and while I feel bad for her, she brought it on herself.

callen

rr165892 said:

It should not be mandated.It should be up to the employer and individual companies.
Maybe if you a company that receives any federal $$, or subsidies then ok,but forcing this on a private buisness can have over reaching ramifications.I can't see this for employers that have less then 20 employees.Sorry guys.

Mark my words this will get abused.

rr165892 said:

rgambs said:

I'm not saying there shouldn't be exemptions, but I am not a fan of the "less than 15 or 20" exemptions... Businesses like law firms, Dr. Offices, dentists, optometrists, accounting firms, etc. often fall into this exemption despite the fact that they do more than a half mill in gross revenue. This leaves the employees boned on health insurance and many other benefits, including federal protection on alot of issues. Meanwhile, the professional cleans up on a few hundred G a year and so what... Their businesses would be stronger and their employees much better if they invested more in humanity than stocks, that's just common sense.
It may sound doomy gloomy, but everywhere we have looked, that's the model we see in use at professional offices.
Becca won't be running her office like that, that's for damn sure.

Gambs,Then put in thresholds so small businesses don't get fucked.I pay 100% of my employees Health insurance.

I also just let a girl in my office go because in the 6 weeks she has been employed she has only made it thru 1 full week.5 of the other weeks she missed at least 1 and on two weeks 2 days.Sick,kid issues,car issues,house issues.Why should I not only have to cover her work and create longer work days for her co workers doing her work,but the also pay her for being a softy and missing extensive time.Her train wreck personal life needs not to affect her employment,and it did.

I'm a generous employer,but I will not be taken advantage of.

the Govt takes enough of my money and mandates enough counter productive bullshit and red tape to make being in buisness a pain(ok,labor of love)but I don't need them mandating even more regulations.And forcing me into a situation.
If I have a trusted hard working employee,I will cover the sick days and days off anyway,because I care.and want to.
if I think they earned it and have been valuable of course.
the last thing small businesses need is more government ass probing.

Managed 30 employees at close to minimum wage and they had sick leave. You manage it. Hire well and set expectations. Just because it's hard and a few take advantage of it doesn't mean you hurt the rest.

I do see how small businesses have it hard. And going from very small company to one that has more obligations has to suck so feel for your frustrations such as including healthcare.

So why do we tie healthcare to employers anyway? Don't feel you should pay anything.

Purchase healthcare on exchange and yeah with government regulations.

rgambs

hedonist said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Entitlement mentality or over playing your role also is up there with a don't give a shit attitude.

It depends on how you look at it. Where you might see entitlement attitude on the part of the employee, I might see an attitude on the part of the employer. I don't have a name for it, but it's the attitude of "you are lucky to have a job and should be thankful I employ you, take what I give and be grateful"
This attitude is all too common among people with money. It's the age old capital vs labor debate where many more on the captial side don't seem to recognize the fact that they can't succeed without labor.
Why should an employee go above and beyond the required level of competency if it won't be recognized and appreciated, and if the employer only meets his/her required level of competency without going above.

I am closely acquainted with both sides, and I say that if you want your business to excel and not just exist, it starts with you and not your employees. You put the effort forth for excellence and then it is fair to expect excellence from your employees.

Totally with that up there, gambs - though I will say even when I had the ultimate bitch-boss (thankfully was short-term), I still put forth the extra effort even though she ignored it.

But yes again. In a way, employers are like parents in that they set the example, maybe the bar too.

This one chick we recently hired - she's nice enough, has a little boy - but my god, her attitude toward work within her first couple months, I've been told "I didn't feel like working today" and "you're just lucky I'm doing this for you". The fuck? She's about to be let go for that mindset and overall lack of accuracy, and while I feel bad for her, she brought it on herself.

Shitcan her ass! lol
It is definitely a two-way street!

rr165892

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Entitlement mentality or over playing your role also is up there with a don't give a shit attitude.

It depends on how you look at it. Where you might see entitlement attitude on the part of the employee, I might see an attitude on the part of the employer. I don't have a name for it, but it's the attitude of "you are lucky to have a job and should be thankful I employ you, take what I give and be grateful"
This attitude is all too common among people with money. It's the age old capital vs labor debate where many more on the captial side don't seem to recognize the fact that they can't succeed without labor.
Why should an employee go above and beyond the required level of competency if it won't be recognized and appreciated, and if the employer only meets his/her required level of competency without going above.

I am closely acquainted with both sides, and I say that if you want your business to excel and not just exist, it starts with you and not your employees. You put the effort forth for excellence and then it is fair to expect excellence from your employees.

I don't know how to bold like Hedo did,but the last part is right on.Maybe a lot of it is how we as individuals look and take pride in work we put our name on.
If I was burger flipper,I would want to be the Michael Jordan of Burger dudes.I would want my work to stand out.Set an example for excellence.maybe thisey are just values we are taught?