Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
The foreigners on the plane. Retaliation. On NATO allies.... is this that hard to fathom?
Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
The foreigners on the plane. Retaliation.... is this the that hard to fathom?
I think you are dead wrong. Someone read the radar wrong, got nervous and gave the command to fire an anti-aircraft missile.
Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
The foreigners on the plane. Retaliation.... is this the that hard to fathom?
It's hard to fathom when currently not one nation (maybe Israel?) has stood with us on this issue, and no Americans were on the plane. And there were Iranians on it. Why would they shoot at Ukes, Brits, and Canadians in this scenario? I'm not saying it's impossible, but it also doesn't appear to further their goals. They have a vested interest in keeping Europe neutral and quiet on the whole conflict.
Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
It's Trumps fault, shut up...
Actually, it’s uneducated American voters fault. Actually it’s the Americans insane celebrity-fascination is to blame. Actually it’s the Democrats fault for putting Clinton against him. Actually it’s the decline of the American education system fault. Actually it’s the fault of the Republicans for the constant de- regulation which caused the wealth gap which resulted in job less which led to populist sentiment which led to desperate people voting for a maniac.
If one of your loved ones was on that plane you would be singing a different fuckin tune...
Anyways.... I know where the boys in PJ would stand on this... and they will tell us all during the spring tour. If you want to say none of this is Trumps fault, that’s your right. I think you are all just sheep.
having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense.
is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense.
how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?
how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?
To add, who cares what members of Pearl Jam think? I don’t make my opinion based on what Ed says at a show.
I know some don't want this video shared (no idea why) but I see no problem with sharing it. If you don't want to see it, don't watch it. Every action has a consequence.
having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense.
is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense.
Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency.
I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore. Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down.
how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?
how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?
To add, who cares what members of Pearl Jam think? I don’t make my opinion based on what Ed says at a show.
One of the reasons I was drawn to the band in the first place was their social conscience. Of being good to each other. Of spreading love and good will. AND they make great music. I share their vision of a better world.
Don’t make an opinion on what the band thinks, it’s a free world dude. I was just stating a fact.
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.
2 peas in a pod...
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
Use common sense, his actions are way more direct than that. As always, bending over backwards to defend him.
Regardless, our PM sure was hinting in a press conference that he thinks that America shares some blame. Never outright said it. I guess the reporters asking those questions must be stupid too.
If it was common sense then most people would have it but people blindly blame Trump for literally everything.
I only defend what should be obvious. You have a whole slew of reporters that can't stand Trump. You think for a second that if they can make some sort of connection in the slightest to blame him for something they won't?
That's not smart that's brilliantly biased.
this attempt to keep from blaming trump is a joke, right?
he is the commander in chief. he gets the glory when things go right, correct? just like a quarterback. who gets the blame when things go bad? the quarterback. trump is the president. the buck stops with him. period. all of this is trump's fault. he tore up the iran deal that was working well. trump blew up a high ranking general when he did not have to. this provoked the retaliation from iran. a plane was downed. trump knocked down the first domino in the line. everything that happens after that initial move is all trump's responsibility. fuck trump. he needs to go to the hague.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.
2 peas in a pod...
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
Use common sense, his actions are way more direct than that. As always, bending over backwards to defend him.
Regardless, our PM sure was hinting in a press conference that he thinks that America shares some blame. Never outright said it. I guess the reporters asking those questions must be stupid too.
If it was common sense then most people would have it but people blindly blame Trump for literally everything.
I only defend what should be obvious. You have a whole slew of reporters that can't stand Trump. You think for a second that if they can make some sort of connection in the slightest to blame him for something they won't?
That's not smart that's brilliantly biased.
this attempt to keep from blaming trump is a joke, right?
he is the commander in chief. he gets the glory when things go right, correct? just like a quarterback. who gets the blame when things go bad? the quarterback. trump is the president. the buck stops with him. period. all of this is trump's fault. he tore up the iran deal that was working well. trump blew up a high ranking general when he did not have to. this provoked the retaliation from iran. a plane was downed. trump knocked down the first domino in the line. everything that happens after that initial move is all trump's responsibility. fuck trump. he needs to go to the hague.
Love it. Fight for what you believe. Couldn’t agree more with everything you posted.
Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
how do we know it was an iranian?
are russian special forces in the region?
i find it hard to believe that some rogue iranian platoon would shoot down a commercial airliner. what is the motive in that? who benefits?
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
I know some don't want this video shared (no idea why) but I see no problem with sharing it. If you don't want to see it, don't watch it. Every action has a consequence.
Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
how do we know it was an iranian?
are russian special forces in the region?
i find it hard to believe that some rogue iranian platoon would shoot down a commercial airliner. what is the motive in that? who benefits?
I know some don't want this video shared (no idea why) but I see no problem with sharing it. If you don't want to see it, don't watch it. Every action has a consequence.
Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
how do we know it was an iranian?
are russian special forces in the region?
i find it hard to believe that some rogue iranian platoon would shoot down a commercial airliner. what is the motive in that? who benefits?
That’s my thoughts, Lavrov probably told Trump to kill Soleimani too.
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at this point, not to knock our military, but i would not be surprised in the least if we accidently shot it down. i have zero confidence in our military brass. the brass follows orders from the buffoon in chief without question, so i have lost respect for the brass.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
Man beats wife within an inch of her life, leaves the house wife is shaken up, unsure what to do. wife hears someone coming up the driveway, she panics, finds gun. it's dark, she assumes it's him she comes outside, shoots and fires and kills the person in the driveway. except it wasn't her husband. it was their neighbour.
who in this situation gets charged with the death of the neighbour, and goes to trial?
Are you suggesting Iran mistook this commercial jet for a military one? Even 1960s radar would easily tell the difference. I have zero doubt they knew exactly what they were shooting at.
at this point, not to knock our military, but i would not be surprised in the least if we accidently shot it down. i have zero confidence in our military brass. the brass follows orders from the buffoon in chief without question, so i have lost respect for the brass.
How could we fire missiles from the ground wiithin Iran?
Yeah, mistakes are never made in the fog of war. Is that what you are trying to say?
Like the Malaysia plane that was shot down over Ukraine by the Russians. Guess that never happened either.
Or when the Americans shot down that plane in Iran. That never happened either.
You can give Trump a pass, but I won't. Irresponsible actions will have irresponsible consequences.
These type of mistakes should NEVER happen. Wrong people in charge of things.
I agree, Trump shouldn't be in charge of anything.
2 peas in a pod...
I agree with you but sorry, Trump shouldn't be blamed.
Obama should be blamed then for the Iran nuclear deal because he should have been smart enough with future visions of this happening so shame on him.
See how stupid this all sounds?
Use common sense, his actions are way more direct than that. As always, bending over backwards to defend him.
Regardless, our PM sure was hinting in a press conference that he thinks that America shares some blame. Never outright said it. I guess the reporters asking those questions must be stupid too.
If it was common sense then most people would have it but people blindly blame Trump for literally everything.
I only defend what should be obvious. You have a whole slew of reporters that can't stand Trump. You think for a second that if they can make some sort of connection in the slightest to blame him for something they won't?
That's not smart that's brilliantly biased.
this attempt to keep from blaming trump is a joke, right?
he is the commander in chief. he gets the glory when things go right, correct? just like a quarterback. who gets the blame when things go bad? the quarterback. trump is the president. the buck stops with him. period. all of this is trump's fault. he tore up the iran deal that was working well. trump blew up a high ranking general when he did not have to. this provoked the retaliation from iran. a plane was downed. trump knocked down the first domino in the line. everything that happens after that initial move is all trump's responsibility. fuck trump. he needs to go to the hague.
Love it. Fight for what you believe. Couldn’t agree more with everything you posted.
thank you.
i am just sick to death of people defending the indefensible.
we had other options. we could have used diplomacy. we could have used sanctions. we would have put further restrictions in place. we could have done small military engagements. we could have done a targeted assassination of a high ranking official with a drone. we could have used a nuke.
fucking moron chose to forego the other routes and blow up the general because he wants to be a war hero. i am disgusted that people would defend this choice. it is easy in hindsight to condemn him, but WHO IN THE HELL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT TO PREDICT THE RESPONSE AND FOLLOWING ACTIONS?? THE FUCKING MILITARY BRASS.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
at this point, not to knock our military, but i would not be surprised in the least if we accidently shot it down. i have zero confidence in our military brass. the brass follows orders from the buffoon in chief without question, so i have lost respect for the brass.
How could we fire missiles from the ground wiithin Iran?
good point.
sorry i got confused. i thought the plane crashed within iraQ.
we have to have people on the ground over there.
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There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
Diplomacy is to say “it may have been unintentional” so you can get access to the black box. Dollars to doughnuts it wasn’t unintentional. Once again, this doesn’t happen if Trump isn’t a complete meat stick.
What's the value or upside of Iran shooting down a plane, with no Americans, in its own airspace, leaving from Tehran? What does that accomplish?
how do we know it was an iranian?
are russian special forces in the region?
i find it hard to believe that some rogue iranian platoon would shoot down a commercial airliner. what is the motive in that? who benefits?
Well it was 2 miles from Tehran's airport, so I doubt it was Russian forces. Anything it's possible I suppose.
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iranian #2: let's murder a bunch of their innocent civilian friends! that'll teach them!
iranian #1: great plan!
if that indeed turns out to be their plan, which I'm certain it won't, it's a pretty fucking stupid one.
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If one of your loved ones was on that plane you would be singing a different fuckin tune...
is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense.
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Personally I see no motive for Iran to do this on purpose.
he is the commander in chief. he gets the glory when things go right, correct? just like a quarterback. who gets the blame when things go bad? the quarterback. trump is the president. the buck stops with him. period. all of this is trump's fault. he tore up the iran deal that was working well. trump blew up a high ranking general when he did not have to. this provoked the retaliation from iran. a plane was downed. trump knocked down the first domino in the line. everything that happens after that initial move is all trump's responsibility. fuck trump. he needs to go to the hague.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
are russian special forces in the region?
i find it hard to believe that some rogue iranian platoon would shoot down a commercial airliner. what is the motive in that? who benefits?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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at this point, not to knock our military, but i would not be surprised in the least if we accidently shot it down. i have zero confidence in our military brass. the brass follows orders from the buffoon in chief without question, so i have lost respect for the brass.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i am just sick to death of people defending the indefensible.
we had other options. we could have used diplomacy. we could have used sanctions. we would have put further restrictions in place. we could have done small military engagements. we could have done a targeted assassination of a high ranking official with a drone. we could have used a nuke.
fucking moron chose to forego the other routes and blow up the general because he wants to be a war hero. i am disgusted that people would defend this choice. it is easy in hindsight to condemn him, but WHO IN THE HELL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT TO PREDICT THE RESPONSE AND FOLLOWING ACTIONS?? THE FUCKING MILITARY BRASS.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
sorry i got confused. i thought the plane crashed within iraQ.
we have to have people on the ground over there.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."