Vaping; fact and fiction

this was cool read, if anybody else vapes on the train its worth a read.

Godfather.

24 Mar, 2015 3 comments Yesterday the California Department of Public Health started a new public relations campaign focused on discouraging the use of electronic cigarettes and vapor products. While we’ve all seen the media frenzy and state legislators proclaiming the so called dangers of vaping, California is taking a more extreme approach. A government funded five year campaign with an estimated $75 million dollar price tag to the taxpayers.




Now, if the information being portrayed was based in scientific evidence with the intent of educating the public on the realities of electronic cigarettes and vaping we would rejoice and applaud their movement. Unfortunately, the information being portrayed, while not untrue, is skewed in such a way that vaping electronic cigarettes actually appears more harmful than smoking traditional tobacco cigarettes. Let’s take a look at some of the information the state of California is sharing with these tax dollars.

The website, Still Blowing Smoke makes the following claims of the health dangers lurking in e-cigarettes, however no links were provided to studies validating the information they provided. Here we are going to show the statements made by this campaign and our response:

Nicotine is addictive as heroin
According to Jonathan Foulds, professor of public health sciences and psychiatry at Penn State College of Medicine a study found that E-cigarettes appear to be less addictive than tobacco cigarettes.
A list of the dangers of nicotine’s effect on the body is listed
Nicotine is being used in several medical studies as a possible medicine for a multitude of conditions from Parkinson’s to Depression. Additionally, the FDA released a statement saying the long term or chronic use of Nicotine Replacement Therapy benefits outweigh the risks.
Some studies suggest the ‘magic device’ e-cigarettes hurt quitting efforts.
Aside from the multitude of anecdotal evidence from people just like us who quit smoking using e-cigarettes; Research has found that e-cigarettes are an effective method to help quit smoking as they successfully reduced cravings with minimal side effects.
Toxic and cancer causing chemicals have been found in electronic cigarette vapor including formaldehyde, acetaldehyde, benzene, cadmium, isoprene, lead, nickel and more.
A study conducted by Dr. Igor Burstyn, PhD, school of public health, Drexel university found that there is no evidence of levels of contaminants that may be associated with risk to health, including acrolein, formaldehyde, TSNA’s and metals. Additionally, Dr. Peter Hyak oversaw a study testing the levels of toxins and carbon monoxide from electronic cigarette vapor, and found none.

PG/VG & Diacetyl can all damage your lungs.
In E-Juice – What’s Inside we address the Propylene Glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerine (VG) questions. Interestingly, while touted as dangerous to inhale, PG has been used in asthma inhalers for years. VG has been used for years in various food processing and pharmaceutical industries for its potential health benefits. Diacetyl, while found in a small sampling of electronic cigarettes, were shown to be at a level in those samples 110 times lower than the amount found in traditional cigarettes.
E-cigs Damage Lung Cells. It should be noted, this included this link to a News Article.
This study they referenced, indicated that some flavored e-juice created stress and toxicity on lung tissue. Interestingly enough, California had 6 of the top 10 most polluted cities on the State of the Air ranking in 2014. According to Physicians for Social Responsibility “It’s no surprise that air pollution causes serious damage to the lungs and respiratory tract.” However, the real comparison that needs to be made is the effect on the lungs compared to smoking traditional cigarettes.
In addition to these health related claims, the website also makes several claims regarding the intentions of the vaping industry, such as marketing and attempting to addict children to vaping. While big tobacco’s motives can and should be questioned, the grass roots vaping industry is aimed at offering an alternative to big tobacco for adult smokers. We have previously addressed the claims of marketing to children, e-juice safety, and flavors.

It’s more important than ever, with the launch of this campaign, to educate the public and speak out for our right to vape. Educate yourselves, educate your community, and let your legislation know how vaping has affected your life.

Written by: Michelle Harnden

Comments

  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    are there any members on the train that vape ? or used vaping to quit smoking ?
    it worked for me.

    Godfather.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited March 2015
    I quit cigs for over 4 years, had a one year relapse, and I'm now about 5 weeks into vaping without a cig (my girlfriend quit the same day). I know a two pack a day guy who quit easily by using a vape. He is still vaping, but with zero nicotine. There is def a lot of conflicting information out there, and most of the negative information I've seen can be easily countered, or proven outright false (yes, this is what I am implying: This has to be hurting the tobacco biz, and we know they're not the most of honest of companies)....still, I am concerned about potential risks associated with it. That said....as a smoking cessasation product, I prefer the unknown of ejuice to any of the pill options.
    The government just needs to regulate the e-juice and monitor the products of companies that sell it.
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150

    I quit cigs for over 4 years, had a one year relapse, and I'm now about 5 weeks into vaping without a cig (my girlfriend quit the same day). I know a two pack a day guy who quit easily by using a vape. He is still vaping, but with zero nicotine. There is def a lot of conflicting information out there, and most of the negative information I've seen can be easily countered, or proven outright false (yes, this is what I am implying: This has to be hurting the tobacco biz, and we know they're not the most of honest of companies)....still, I am concerned about potential risks associated with it. That said....as a smoking cessasation product, I prefer the unknown of ejuice to any of the pill options.
    The government just needs to regulate the e-juice and monitor the products of companies that sell it.

    Agreed. In the interim, can you not acquire pure tobacco to put in a vaporizer? I've only used weed in mine so I don't know how you non-wacky-tobaccy smokers do it.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited March 2015
    Drowned, the side-effects of the pill(s) are pretty frightening. I say if vaping helps, that effort shouldn't be hindered.

    (plus, I'm not big on "studies" anyway...typically agenda (ie) money-driven)

    Personally, never tried the e-cig side of it but appears to be quite satisfying.

    I've given it a go with weed, but just couldn't...GET it. The hit, that is.

    Idris is a big vape-proponent!

    *edit - adding benjs to the list :)
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    I'm sorry I'm old school.I don't like vaporizing my Mary Jane.I want to taste the herbs.

    I don't smoke so I can't comment on the ecig thing,but they do look kinda funny.But I guess it's better then smelling like an ash tray and having ass breath.
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Hedo,you couldn't be more correct about the "studies"

    Don't ya love studies sponsored by those who benefit from the results?No bias here,move on.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    I'm sorry I'm old school.I don't like vaporizing my Mary Jane.I want to taste the herbs.

    I don't smoke so I can't comment on the ecig thing,but they do look kinda funny.But I guess it's better then smelling like an ash tray and having ass breath.

    You have to have a steady supply and it has to be relatively cheap, cuz you go through alot vaping!
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited March 2015
    benjs said:

    I quit cigs for over 4 years, had a one year relapse, and I'm now about 5 weeks into vaping without a cig (my girlfriend quit the same day). I know a two pack a day guy who quit easily by using a vape. He is still vaping, but with zero nicotine. There is def a lot of conflicting information out there, and most of the negative information I've seen can be easily countered, or proven outright false (yes, this is what I am implying: This has to be hurting the tobacco biz, and we know they're not the most of honest of companies)....still, I am concerned about potential risks associated with it. That said....as a smoking cessasation product, I prefer the unknown of ejuice to any of the pill options.
    The government just needs to regulate the e-juice and monitor the products of companies that sell it.

    Agreed. In the interim, can you not acquire pure tobacco to put in a vaporizer? I've only used weed in mine so I don't know how you non-wacky-tobaccy smokers do it.
    There are different kinds of vapes. My understanding, the ecig types can only vape liquids...so you need to make a tincture and add it to the pg/vg. Our friend idris introduced me to this unit a while back: https://magicalbutter.com
    It can make butter, oil, or tincture at the push of a button. want!
    The pen vapes that work with 'dry herbs' are not effective as vapes, in my experience. Too hard to regulate temps; they work more as an electric pipe. Still handy in the wind or for discretion, but without the benefits of vaping.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,040
    The old (Mark Twain , I think it was) joke goes, "It's easy to quite, I've done it a hundred times" was true for me- I started and stopped smoking for years. It was easy to quite, easy to start up. Now going on about 30 years no cigs. Would I have vaped? No. "Electronic cigarette" seems like an oxymoron to me. But as they say, "whatever works".
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,150

    benjs said:

    I quit cigs for over 4 years, had a one year relapse, and I'm now about 5 weeks into vaping without a cig (my girlfriend quit the same day). I know a two pack a day guy who quit easily by using a vape. He is still vaping, but with zero nicotine. There is def a lot of conflicting information out there, and most of the negative information I've seen can be easily countered, or proven outright false (yes, this is what I am implying: This has to be hurting the tobacco biz, and we know they're not the most of honest of companies)....still, I am concerned about potential risks associated with it. That said....as a smoking cessasation product, I prefer the unknown of ejuice to any of the pill options.
    The government just needs to regulate the e-juice and monitor the products of companies that sell it.

    Agreed. In the interim, can you not acquire pure tobacco to put in a vaporizer? I've only used weed in mine so I don't know how you non-wacky-tobaccy smokers do it.
    There are different kinds of vapes. My understanding, the ecig types can only vape liquids...so you need to make a tincture and add it to the pg/vg. Our friend idris introduced me to this unit a while back: https://magicalbutter.com
    It can make butter, oil, or tincture at the push of a button. want!
    The pen vapes that work with 'dry herbs' are not effective as vapes, in my experience. Too hard to regulate temps; they work more as an electric pipe. Still handy in the wind or for discretion, but without the benefits of vaping.
    Kyle, that seems like the dream machine. Unfortunately, I live in an old house with thin floors and a basement tenant the age of 12 - but hopefully one day I'll have a sous vide machine (which I want for cooking regardless) to accompany that magical, magical device.

    Interesting about the pens - that's what I had read as well. I use one of these guys and it's great... http://www.davincivaporizer.com/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci/
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    my main concern/question is the sugar used in the "sweet Juices" a problem for diabetics ? I can say from personal experiance that ...I just can't tell, doc tells me I'm / was borderline diabetic I haveen't checked my sugar levels lately but if anyone has any info to share on that it would be cool.

    Godfather.
  • I didn't read this right and thought it said "vamping" - acting like a vampire?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    I didn't read this right and thought it said "vamping" - acting like a vampire?

    oooohhh noooo you'll start a new fad "The Vapire's" it'll take of like wild fire.....hay maybe a new vape line of juices and mods & tanks. HAHHAHHAHHAHHA.

    Godfather.

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