i am more concerned about the secondary and the receivers getting clocked coming across the middle, and the kickoff return. studies routinely show that these 2 situations yield the most severe concussive blows.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i am more concerned about the secondary and the receivers getting clocked coming across the middle, and the kickoff return. studies routinely show that these 2 situations yield the most severe concussive blows.
Prior to the 2011 change when teams kicked from the 30 instead of the 35 yard line like they do now, 85% of kickoffs were returned. Now it is around 50%. And touchbacks went from 11% to 45%. This decrease in kickoff returns will definitely minimize some of the more vicious hits. The interesting thing I saw in the article was that it did not negatively impact viewership, scoring, etc... While I loved watching kicks returned for touchdowns, this has likely had a positive impact on player safety.
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And the wonderful hypocrisy we have in this country pointing out how other cultures are so bad.
God bless.
I have never thought of football as violent at all. It's just tackling. Violence, to me, must involve the intent to HURT someone. Not just the intent to stop someone. MMA on the other hand... that shit disgusts me... almost as much as MMA fans do.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And the wonderful hypocrisy we have in this country pointing out how other cultures are so bad.
God bless.
I have never thought of football as violent at all. It's just tackling. Violence, to me, must involve the intent to HURT someone. Not just the intent to stop someone. MMA on the other hand... that shit disgusts me... almost as much as MMA fans do.
sometimes there is the intent to injure. not so much in youth football, but when you get to bigtime college and professional football, that is part of the defensive mentality.
there was a scandal a few years ago where a coach was paying players thousands of dollars to knock players out of the game. this team was caught placing bounties on people.
from a medical perspective, violence is characterized by velocity of the impact, because the higher the velocity of the impact, the more force is exerted on the neck and brain inside the skull.
believe it or not, there is less "intent" to actually hurt someone in mma than there is in other sports. in mma, the goal is to make the other guy give up by putting him in a submission hold. the hold is released when the guy submits. in mma, hardly anybody wants to make it to where a guy can't make a living. the ones that want to do that are the douchebags.
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"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
There is an exception to every rule.... but the point of football is not to hurt. If some coach goes off the rails, that doesn't really impact that theory. Sorry Gimme, but I've seen MMA. TO say that the point of that sport is not to inflict injury is ludicrous. Whether or not it's permanent injury is neither here nor there... but I'm sure there are just as many punch-drunk ex-MMA athletes as there are punch-drunk boxers, aka permanently brain damaged. And that's not just from a bad tackle/fall. That's from their opponents punching, kicking, and elbowing the shit out of their heads. That's violence. Violence that begets violence, too... The only times I've seen fights break out in bars is on MMA nights (which I occasionally end up at accidentally just because I wanted to go to the pub! It's the worst!). Tackling someone to stop him from getting over the line isn't. IMO.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There is an exception to every rule.... but the point of football is not to hurt. If some coach goes off the rails, that doesn't really impact that theory. Sorry Gimme, but I've seen MMA. TO say that the point of that sport is not to inflict injury is ludicrous. Whether or not it's permanent injury is neither here nor there... but I'm sure there are just as many punch-drunk ex-MMA athletes as there are punch-drunk boxers, aka permanently brain damaged. And that's not just from a bad tackle/fall. That's from their opponents punching, kicking, and elbowing the shit out of their heads. That's violence. Violence that begets violence, too... The only times I've seen fights break out in bars is on MMA nights (which I occasionally end up at accidentally just because I wanted to go to the pub! It's the worst!). Tackling someone to stop him from getting over the line isn't. IMO.
it is not just "tackling" someone. have you seen the velocity that these 300 lb men have when they collide into each other? it is not simply grabbing someone by the foot and pulling them down, it is putting your facemask in a guys chest at full speed. I am an athletic trainer that has worked college football for several years. i guarantee you it is more violent than people think it is.
i worked with college wrestlers up until 2007, did some mma fighting from 2008 to 2010, and have been in the corner for amateur fighters. i have rehabbed fighters, i have worked with fighters in our physician office. the goal is to end the fight. when mma started it was more jiu jitsu based, which is wrestling, grappling, and submissions. now, ufc has evolved to where it is more based on standup and striking. similar to kickboxing. several years ago, the risk of traumatic brain injury was much less than boxing, because the fighters were not eating 300 punches in a fight like boxers do. it was more grappling and submissions than trying to knock someones block off. sure, in submission fighting fractures happen, concussions happen. but rarely is there a single career ending injury like there is in other sports. in just a few years though, the sport has evolved to where there is higher likelihood of sustaining a concussion than there used to be.
i have seen fights at mma pay per views too. this is what happens when you mix fighting, alcohol, and a bunch of beer muscle who know just enough about fighting to be dangerous. they make everybody look like dumbasses.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I do watch NFL and CFL. I know exactly what is involved in tackling. My point is the intent behind the tackles. It's to stop them. Not specifically to hurt them. It's that difference that draws the line between non-violence and violence. All a matter of perspective I suppose....
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I do watch NFL and CFL. I know exactly what is involved in tackling. My point is the intent behind the tackles. It's to stop them. Not specifically to hurt them. It's that difference that draws the line between non-violence and violence. All a matter of perspective I suppose....
i suppose.
i am speaking as someone who has spineboarded unconscious football players and packed them into ambulances. to me, the mechanism of injury is violent.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I do watch NFL and CFL. I know exactly what is involved in tackling. My point is the intent behind the tackles. It's to stop them. Not specifically to hurt them. It's that difference that draws the line between non-violence and violence. All a matter of perspective I suppose....
i suppose.
i am speaking as someone who has spineboarded unconscious football players and packed them into ambulances. to me, the mechanism of injury is violent.
It's dangerous. But not violent. IMO.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I do watch NFL and CFL. I know exactly what is involved in tackling. My point is the intent behind the tackles. It's to stop them. Not specifically to hurt them. It's that difference that draws the line between non-violence and violence. All a matter of perspective I suppose....
i suppose.
i am speaking as someone who has spineboarded unconscious football players and packed them into ambulances. to me, the mechanism of injury is violent.
It's dangerous. But not violent. IMO.
damn, PJ Soul is a football fan? who would've thunk it.
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Boxing would be the most popular sport instead of a niche sport if your theory held true. Try again.
No one goes to a game hoping to see someone get hurt. You're apparently not a fan of the sport.
And if your theory was true then soccer would be more popular than football. Have you never been around a group of guys watching football? Seriously. Violence is a big part,of the draw, denying that is ridiculous.
I know a lot of hockey fans that love a good fight, bloody fights, the works. Violence. My nephew who's a hockey player loves the violence so much he watches hockey fights on youtube for pointers. I think it's f*cked up, but it's true, a lot of sports fans love their violence, including football, where injuries are more serious long-term than hockey seems to be.
I think in football it may be easier to seriously hurt another player without it being obvious. Those head shots that are supposed to be illegal happen a lot, it seems.
And the wonderful hypocrisy we have in this country pointing out how other cultures are so bad.
God bless.
I have never thought of football as violent at all. It's just tackling. Violence, to me, must involve the intent to HURT someone. Not just the intent to stop someone. MMA on the other hand... that shit disgusts me... almost as much as MMA fans do.
New Orleans Saints were penalized severely for doing just this.
Players that are hurt are targeted as well.
Having a 280 LB piece of muscle hit you at full force is violent.
You folks are cracking me up with your justifications. Hahahaha
Spearing Spearing or spear tackling is a method of tackling in American and Canadian football in which a player uses their body as a spear (head out, arms by their side), whether it be in attack or defence. It is considered legal as long as players do not make initial contact with their head.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/spearing.aspx What is Spearing? A penalty called when a defensive player makes a tackle that leads with the crown of his helmet into the offensive player. If the initial contact occurs at the top of the helmet, the tackle is illegal. Spearing is a 15-yard penalty against the defense and an automatic first down. The penalty is considered a player safety issue, as hits that lead with the top of the helmet often result in injuries.
Sporting Charts explains Spearing - football Spearing is one of the penalties that has been added in recent years to increase player safety. The intent was to decrease the number of violent downfield hits. Spearing is a particularly significant penalty as it tends to occur downfield against defenseless offensive players after a catch has been made. Ironically, spearing hits can also put the defensive player at risk of neck injury due to the angle of contact. Spearing only applies to hits where the defensive player leads with the crown of his helmet. Defensive players are taught to lead with their shoulders to limit the number of penalties.
And the wonderful hypocrisy we have in this country pointing out how other cultures are so bad.
God bless.
I have never thought of football as violent at all. It's just tackling. Violence, to me, must involve the intent to HURT someone. Not just the intent to stop someone. MMA on the other hand... that shit disgusts me... almost as much as MMA fans do.
New Orleans Saints were penalized severely for doing just this.
Players that are hurt are targeted as well.
Having a 280 LB piece of muscle hit you at full force is violent.
You folks are cracking me up with your justifications. Hahahaha
No offense. Having fun.
It's against the rules though. I'm talking about when the rules are followed, obviously. Of course when players decide to attack other players outside of the limits of the game's rules in ANY sport it's violence. They also get penalized (or suspended, etc) when they do it. Which actually serves to counter a culture of violence, i.e. if you are violent then you suffer some kind of consequence (I do admit that some work is needed when it comes to the severity of the consequences in many cases, but that is definitely seeing improvement lately). So by your thinking Callen, anything that has the potential to hurt anyone and more than one person is involved is violence? That would mean that pretty much every non-individual sport is potentially violent, no?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
There is an exception to every rule.... but the point of football is not to hurt. If some coach goes off the rails, that doesn't really impact that theory. Sorry Gimme, but I've seen MMA. TO say that the point of that sport is not to inflict injury is ludicrous. Whether or not it's permanent injury is neither here nor there... but I'm sure there are just as many punch-drunk ex-MMA athletes as there are punch-drunk boxers, aka permanently brain damaged. And that's not just from a bad tackle/fall. That's from their opponents punching, kicking, and elbowing the shit out of their heads. That's violence. Violence that begets violence, too... The only times I've seen fights break out in bars is on MMA nights (which I occasionally end up at accidentally just because I wanted to go to the pub! It's the worst!). Tackling someone to stop him from getting over the line isn't. IMO.
it is not just "tackling" someone. have you seen the velocity that these 300 lb men have when they collide into each other? it is not simply grabbing someone by the foot and pulling them down, it is putting your facemask in a guys chest at full speed. I am an athletic trainer that has worked college football for several years. i guarantee you it is more violent than people think it is.
i worked with college wrestlers up until 2007, did some mma fighting from 2008 to 2010, and have been in the corner for amateur fighters. i have rehabbed fighters, i have worked with fighters in our physician office. the goal is to end the fight. when mma started it was more jiu jitsu based, which is wrestling, grappling, and submissions. now, ufc has evolved to where it is more based on standup and striking. similar to kickboxing. several years ago, the risk of traumatic brain injury was much less than boxing, because the fighters were not eating 300 punches in a fight like boxers do. it was more grappling and submissions than trying to knock someones block off. sure, in submission fighting fractures happen, concussions happen. but rarely is there a single career ending injury like there is in other sports. in just a few years though, the sport has evolved to where there is higher likelihood of sustaining a concussion than there used to be.
i have seen fights at mma pay per views too. this is what happens when you mix fighting, alcohol, and a bunch of beer muscle who know just enough about fighting to be dangerous. they make everybody look like dumbasses.
Gimme,I'm going to play both sides here.As a father of a son that played Division 1 college football for 5 years,I agree.This sport has collisions that are equal to or like a 40 mph head on car crash.Ive seen and been part of coaching staffs ,as players who have been injured had to be airlifted out.Im sure you have seen some of the same stuff.Broken arms,legs,ribs,noses along with the usual blown out shoulders,knees and elbows.This sport(Which I love with a passion) Is pure violence.It is an impact sport.
We were lucky.Our son really only had 4 major injuries thru all his years playing.A dislocated throwing shoulder,2 blown out Hamstrings,High ankle sprain and His senior year of HS a pretty nasty concussion.Kid was cookooo for coco puffs.We had to monitor him for 24 hrs.puking,short term memory loss,dilated eyes,etc.it was scary,shit.I get the concern.Hell he also played ice hockey and had his front top and bottom teeth knocked out and a blade gash on his calf and I would still say football is more violent. These gladiator sports are woven into the fabric of our society and we will never see them go away.As someone said it will change in 20 years but it will basically be the same. Just my POV.
And the wonderful hypocrisy we have in this country pointing out how other cultures are so bad.
God bless.
I have never thought of football as violent at all. It's just tackling. Violence, to me, must involve the intent to HURT someone. Not just the intent to stop someone. MMA on the other hand... that shit disgusts me... almost as much as MMA fans do.
New Orleans Saints were penalized severely for doing just this.
Players that are hurt are targeted as well.
Having a 280 LB piece of muscle hit you at full force is violent.
You folks are cracking me up with your justifications. Hahahaha
No offense. Having fun.
It's against the rules though. I'm talking about when the rules are followed, obviously. Of course when players decide to attack other players outside of the limits of the game's rules in ANY sport it's violence. They also get penalized (or suspended, etc) when they do it. Which actually serves to counter a culture of violence, i.e. if you are violent then you suffer some kind of consequence (I do admit that some work is needed when it comes to the severity of the consequences in many cases, but that is definitely seeing improvement lately). So by your thinking Callen, anything that has the potential to hurt anyone and more than one person is involved is violence? That would mean that pretty much every non-individual sport is potentially violent, no?
Football is violent sport through the nature of the game. I played full contact pad football. I know what football players say and do. It is to knock other player out of the game to hurt them not permanently, nut get him out especially star player. Hence reason refs have special rules for some positions .
I know a lot of hockey fans that love a good fight, bloody fights, the works. Violence. My nephew who's a hockey player loves the violence so much he watches hockey fights on youtube for pointers. I think it's f*cked up, but it's true, a lot of sports fans love their violence, including football, where injuries are more serious long-term than hockey seems to be.
I think in football it may be easier to seriously hurt another player without it being obvious. Those head shots that are supposed to be illegal happen a lot, it seems.
I like watching Olympic hockey over NHL games. The rules don't allow for the thuggery in the Olympics that the nhl does.
Boxing would be the most popular sport instead of a niche sport if your theory held true. Try again.
No one goes to a game hoping to see someone get hurt. You're apparently not a fan of the sport.
Really Jason?!?!? Really?
Come on.
Been to many live games and many in sports bars and a good hit on opposing player is heralded.
Next you'll tell me Nascar fans want a good clean green race especially final 10 laps.
There's always the people that think hitting a guy so hard his helmet flies off is the best part of football. And yes, a crowd of people will collectively say "ohhhhhhh" when there's a big hit. But most of the fans I know watch football for football. The plays, the scheme, the matchups. It's not the most popular sport in the nation because of the hits.
And the wonderful hypocrisy we have in this country pointing out how other cultures are so bad.
God bless.
I have never thought of football as violent at all. It's just tackling. Violence, to me, must involve the intent to HURT someone. Not just the intent to stop someone. MMA on the other hand... that shit disgusts me... almost as much as MMA fans do.
New Orleans Saints were penalized severely for doing just this.
Players that are hurt are targeted as well.
Having a 280 LB piece of muscle hit you at full force is violent.
You folks are cracking me up with your justifications. Hahahaha
No offense. Having fun.
It's against the rules though. I'm talking about when the rules are followed, obviously. Of course when players decide to attack other players outside of the limits of the game's rules in ANY sport it's violence. They also get penalized (or suspended, etc) when they do it. Which actually serves to counter a culture of violence, i.e. if you are violent then you suffer some kind of consequence (I do admit that some work is needed when it comes to the severity of the consequences in many cases, but that is definitely seeing improvement lately). So by your thinking Callen, anything that has the potential to hurt anyone and more than one person is involved is violence? That would mean that pretty much every non-individual sport is potentially violent, no?
Football is violent sport through the nature of the game. I played full contact pad football. I know what football players say and do. It is to knock other player out of the game to hurt them not permanently, nut get him out especially star player. Hence reason refs have special rules for some positions .
Where did you play? The xfl? I played full contact football from 7th grade through 12th grade. Offense, defense, and special teams. There was never a discussion during the weeks planning for a game that included "we need to knock that player out of the game to win."
And the wonderful hypocrisy we have in this country pointing out how other cultures are so bad.
God bless.
I have never thought of football as violent at all. It's just tackling. Violence, to me, must involve the intent to HURT someone. Not just the intent to stop someone. MMA on the other hand... that shit disgusts me... almost as much as MMA fans do.
New Orleans Saints were penalized severely for doing just this.
Players that are hurt are targeted as well.
Having a 280 LB piece of muscle hit you at full force is violent.
You folks are cracking me up with your justifications. Hahahaha
No offense. Having fun.
It's against the rules though. I'm talking about when the rules are followed, obviously. Of course when players decide to attack other players outside of the limits of the game's rules in ANY sport it's violence. They also get penalized (or suspended, etc) when they do it. Which actually serves to counter a culture of violence, i.e. if you are violent then you suffer some kind of consequence (I do admit that some work is needed when it comes to the severity of the consequences in many cases, but that is definitely seeing improvement lately). So by your thinking Callen, anything that has the potential to hurt anyone and more than one person is involved is violence? That would mean that pretty much every non-individual sport is potentially violent, no?
Football is violent sport through the nature of the game. I played full contact pad football. I know what football players say and do. It is to knock other player out of the game to hurt them not permanently, nut get him out especially star player. Hence reason refs have special rules for some positions .
Where did you play? The xfl? I played full contact football from 7th grade through 12th grade. Offense, defense, and special teams. There was never a discussion during the weeks planning for a game that included "we need to knock that player out of the game to win."
Yeah may have stretched that a bit and executing system/plays was by far the priority and focus Still it is a violent game without question. There are pads and helmets. And viewers are drawn by to combat.
Boxing would be the most popular sport instead of a niche sport if your theory held true. Try again.
No one goes to a game hoping to see someone get hurt. You're apparently not a fan of the sport.
Really Jason?!?!? Really?
Come on.
Been to many live games and many in sports bars and a good hit on opposing player is heralded.
Next you'll tell me Nascar fans want a good clean green race especially final 10 laps.
But most of the fans I know watch football for football. The plays, the scheme, the matchups. It's not the most popular sport in the nation because of the hits.
Ha I don't know about that we don't watch cricket. And soccer? We love us some contact sport.
All contact sports have a level of violence. Hitting people as hard as you can has a direct impact on the game. It's not to impede people or slow them down or tackle them to end the play.
As Mike Eruzione said when they played the Russians in 1980: 'You didn't just want to hit them, you wanted to hi tthem through the fuckin' boards.' (or something like that)
In football- -A linebacker crushes a quarterback. The quarterback remembers the hit and often will get out of the pocket that split second faster. -A receiver cuts across the middle and extends his arms to catch a pass. The corner drills him in the ribs. Next time a ball is thrown to him those arms don't extend as much.
Ice Hockey- -Puck gets dumped into the zone. Offense skates in and drills the defensemen. Next time defensemen gets rid of the puck faster to avoid the hit and creates a turnover.
The list could go on and on. I'm not saying those are the only parts to the game, they're only a small part. I played Ice Hockey from the age of 5 to 22 and every coach I ever played for stressed hitting (legally).
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No one goes to a game hoping to see someone get hurt. You're apparently not a fan of the sport.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Prior to the 2011 change when teams kicked from the 30 instead of the 35 yard line like they do now, 85% of kickoffs were returned. Now it is around 50%. And touchbacks went from 11% to 45%. This decrease in kickoff returns will definitely minimize some of the more vicious hits. The interesting thing I saw in the article was that it did not negatively impact viewership, scoring, etc... While I loved watching kicks returned for touchdowns, this has likely had a positive impact on player safety.
MMA on the other hand... that shit disgusts me... almost as much as MMA fans do.
there was a scandal a few years ago where a coach was paying players thousands of dollars to knock players out of the game. this team was caught placing bounties on people.
from a medical perspective, violence is characterized by velocity of the impact, because the higher the velocity of the impact, the more force is exerted on the neck and brain inside the skull.
believe it or not, there is less "intent" to actually hurt someone in mma than there is in other sports. in mma, the goal is to make the other guy give up by putting him in a submission hold. the hold is released when the guy submits. in mma, hardly anybody wants to make it to where a guy can't make a living. the ones that want to do that are the douchebags.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Sorry Gimme, but I've seen MMA. TO say that the point of that sport is not to inflict injury is ludicrous. Whether or not it's permanent injury is neither here nor there... but I'm sure there are just as many punch-drunk ex-MMA athletes as there are punch-drunk boxers, aka permanently brain damaged. And that's not just from a bad tackle/fall. That's from their opponents punching, kicking, and elbowing the shit out of their heads. That's violence. Violence that begets violence, too... The only times I've seen fights break out in bars is on MMA nights (which I occasionally end up at accidentally just because I wanted to go to the pub! It's the worst!).
Tackling someone to stop him from getting over the line isn't. IMO.
i worked with college wrestlers up until 2007, did some mma fighting from 2008 to 2010, and have been in the corner for amateur fighters. i have rehabbed fighters, i have worked with fighters in our physician office. the goal is to end the fight. when mma started it was more jiu jitsu based, which is wrestling, grappling, and submissions. now, ufc has evolved to where it is more based on standup and striking. similar to kickboxing. several years ago, the risk of traumatic brain injury was much less than boxing, because the fighters were not eating 300 punches in a fight like boxers do. it was more grappling and submissions than trying to knock someones block off. sure, in submission fighting fractures happen, concussions happen. but rarely is there a single career ending injury like there is in other sports. in just a few years though, the sport has evolved to where there is higher likelihood of sustaining a concussion than there used to be.
i have seen fights at mma pay per views too. this is what happens when you mix fighting, alcohol, and a bunch of beer muscle who know just enough about fighting to be dangerous. they make everybody look like dumbasses.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i am speaking as someone who has spineboarded unconscious football players and packed them into ambulances. to me, the mechanism of injury is violent.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
who would've thunk it.
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Have you never been around a group of guys watching football? Seriously. Violence is a big part,of the draw, denying that is ridiculous.
I think in football it may be easier to seriously hurt another player without it being obvious. Those head shots that are supposed to be illegal happen a lot, it seems.
Come on.
Been to many live games and many in sports bars and a good hit on opposing player is heralded.
Next you'll tell me Nascar fans want a good clean green race especially final 10 laps.
Players that are hurt are targeted as well.
Having a 280 LB piece of muscle hit you at full force is violent.
You folks are cracking me up with your justifications. Hahahaha
No offense. Having fun.
Peace.
Spearing or spear tackling is a method of tackling in American and Canadian football in which a player uses their body as a spear (head out, arms by their side), whether it be in attack or defence. It is considered legal as long as players do not make initial contact with their head.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/spearing.aspx
What is Spearing?
A penalty called when a defensive player makes a tackle that leads with the crown of his helmet into the offensive player. If the initial contact occurs at the top of the helmet, the tackle is illegal. Spearing is a 15-yard penalty against the defense and an automatic first down. The penalty is considered a player safety issue, as hits that lead with the top of the helmet often result in injuries.
Sporting Charts explains Spearing - football
Spearing is one of the penalties that has been added in recent years to increase player safety. The intent was to decrease the number of violent downfield hits. Spearing is a particularly significant penalty as it tends to occur downfield against defenseless offensive players after a catch has been made. Ironically, spearing hits can also put the defensive player at risk of neck injury due to the angle of contact. Spearing only applies to hits where the defensive player leads with the crown of his helmet. Defensive players are taught to lead with their shoulders to limit the number of penalties.
So by your thinking Callen, anything that has the potential to hurt anyone and more than one person is involved is violence? That would mean that pretty much every non-individual sport is potentially violent, no?
We were lucky.Our son really only had 4 major injuries thru all his years playing.A dislocated throwing shoulder,2 blown out Hamstrings,High ankle sprain and His senior year of HS a pretty nasty concussion.Kid was cookooo for coco puffs.We had to monitor him for 24 hrs.puking,short term memory loss,dilated eyes,etc.it was scary,shit.I get the concern.Hell he also played ice hockey and had his front top and bottom teeth knocked out and a blade gash on his calf and I would still say football is more violent.
These gladiator sports are woven into the fabric of our society and we will never see them go away.As someone said it will change in 20 years but it will basically be the same.
Just my POV.
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As Mike Eruzione said when they played the Russians in 1980: 'You didn't just want to hit them, you wanted to hi tthem through the fuckin' boards.' (or something like that)
In football-
-A linebacker crushes a quarterback. The quarterback remembers the hit and often will get out of the pocket that split second faster.
-A receiver cuts across the middle and extends his arms to catch a pass. The corner drills him in the ribs. Next time a ball is thrown to him those arms don't extend as much.
Ice Hockey-
-Puck gets dumped into the zone. Offense skates in and drills the defensemen. Next time defensemen gets rid of the puck faster to avoid the hit and creates a turnover.
The list could go on and on. I'm not saying those are the only parts to the game, they're only a small part. I played Ice Hockey from the age of 5 to 22 and every coach I ever played for stressed hitting (legally).