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PJfanwillneverleave1

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badbrains

I hope they find this fucker and release him to the prisoners in jail. They'll know what to do with him.

hedonist

Wow, her sister and those two boys! Bravo to them.

As for that piece of shit, I can only imagine what his plans were for that little girl.

Last-12-Exit

Sounds like they are in the market for a new babysitter.

hedonist

Last-12-Exit said:

Sounds like they are in the market for a new babysitter.

You know, I thought about that too. I don't know how generally safe that town is, but she's their babysitter; why wouldn't she be with them at the park?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Bad babysitter for sure.

Great little sister and outstanding community rally with those two teenage boys- buy those guys a pizza!

I have no patience or tolerance for these types of people. Hopefully the guy realized what a loser he was and jumped off a really high bridge. Seriously.

oftenreading

First thought - that young lady is certainly a force to be reckoned with. Imagine her presence of mind, to charge after that guy yelling, instead of just freezing or looking around for someone else to help out.

Second thought - what was that babysitter thinking, if it's true that she wasn't at the park with them? I'm all for allowing kids developmentally-appropriate freedom. I'm known as being pretty free-range in my parenting, but no-one can possibly think that it's appropriate to leave a toddler unsupervised anywhere (well, with the exception of a crib or play yard), and those kids, brave as they are, are clearly too young to babysit.

Third thought - I always prefer to have the facts looked at in court before deciding on the disposition. I have been wrong many times before when jumping to conclusions.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

First thought - that young lady is certainly a force to be reckoned with. Imagine her presence of mind, to charge after that guy yelling, instead of just freezing or looking around for someone else to help out.

Second thought - what was that babysitter thinking, if it's true that she wasn't at the park with them? I'm all for allowing kids developmentally-appropriate freedom. I'm known as being pretty free-range in my parenting, but no-one can possibly think that it's appropriate to leave a toddler unsupervised anywhere (well, with the exception of a crib or play yard), and those kids, brave as they are, are clearly too young to babysit.

Third thought - I always prefer to have the facts looked at in court before deciding on the disposition. I have been wrong many times before when jumping to conclusions.

That video footage of the lunatic running with the child in his arms and the eyewitness accounts from the teens and woman that chased him were enough for me.

Do you mean you would like to know what the kidnapper intended on doing with the child before frowning upon his actions? Or are you saying you would like to know his motivation before damning him?

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

First thought - that young lady is certainly a force to be reckoned with. Imagine her presence of mind, to charge after that guy yelling, instead of just freezing or looking around for someone else to help out.

Second thought - what was that babysitter thinking, if it's true that she wasn't at the park with them? I'm all for allowing kids developmentally-appropriate freedom. I'm known as being pretty free-range in my parenting, but no-one can possibly think that it's appropriate to leave a toddler unsupervised anywhere (well, with the exception of a crib or play yard), and those kids, brave as they are, are clearly too young to babysit.

Third thought - I always prefer to have the facts looked at in court before deciding on the disposition. I have been wrong many times before when jumping to conclusions.

That video footage of the lunatic running with the child in his arms and the eyewitness accounts from the teens and woman that chased him were enough for me.

Do you mean you would like to know what the kidnapper intended on doing with the child before frowning upon his actions? Or are you saying you would like to know his motivation before damning him?

Yes, I do want to know more information before I make up my own mind what the correct punishment would be, not that my opinion on that matters in this situation but that is what the OP asked. I can only come up with a few different scenarios when I think about possible motive - sexual assault, kidnapping for money, kidnapping for revenge against the family - but the world is endlessly surprising and we have so little info here that I'll wait. Note that I'm not saying there shouldn't be a punishment, just that I don't have enough info to decide exactly what I think it should be.

Annafalk

Great that woman in the store/shop understood the situation and took action, telling her boys to run after the kidnapper. And super great big sister.

I really hope they catch him so he can rotten in jail for the rest of his life.

lolobugg

should put the babysitter in prison
attempted kidnapper in prison
and the death penalty for people who sexually assault children

rgambs

lolobugg said:

should put the babysitter in prison
attempted kidnapper in prison
and the death penalty for people who sexually assault children

I prefer prison for people who hurt children, they are targeted heavily for sexual assault and beatings, and combinations of the two of course.

lolobugg

rgambs said:

lolobugg said:

should put the babysitter in prison
attempted kidnapper in prison
and the death penalty for people who sexually assault children

I prefer prison for people who hurt children, they are targeted heavily for sexual assault and beatings, and combinations of the two of course.

I would like that too.
unfortunately I have heard of too many incidences where they are released and commit the same crimes.
only way to make sure is to put them down humanely.

PJfanwillneverleave1

Well the fucker was caught.
The justice system better do right by this case.

A 15yr old doing this....
Sad times
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/11/teen-arrested-over-toddler-kidnap-attempt-caught-on-video

oftenreading

I really hope that the several days of interviews, etc., turned up stronger evidence than a photo ID by the two siblings, since (a) that's a fairly unreliable way to identify someone, and (b) is unlikely to stand up in court. Time will tell, I guess.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

I really hope that the several days of interviews, etc., turned up stronger evidence than a photo ID by the two siblings, since (a) that's a fairly unreliable way to identify someone, and (b) is unlikely to stand up in court. Time will tell, I guess.

I would tend to agree with you here. Being charged with this and being innocent of it would be brutal.

If the guy is guilty though... how long did he suppress urges to do whatever it is he wanted to do to that child? People don't wake up one day and choose to kidnap a small child as the random activity for the day. More often than not, they fantasize for quite a while... acting out when fantasy can no longer offer them satisfaction.

15 years old means he will receive treatment and be released. Time will tell how well that will go, however recidivism rates for pedophiles, if I remember correctly, is high.

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

oftenreading said:

I really hope that the several days of interviews, etc., turned up stronger evidence than a photo ID by the two siblings, since (a) that's a fairly unreliable way to identify someone, and (b) is unlikely to stand up in court. Time will tell, I guess.

I would tend to agree with you here. Being charged with this and being innocent of it would be brutal.

If the guy is guilty though... how long did he suppress urges to do whatever it is he wanted to do to that child? People don't wake up one day and choose to kidnap a small child as the random activity for the day. More often than not, they fantasize for quite a while... acting out when fantasy can no longer offer them satisfaction.

15 years old means he will receive treatment and be released. Time will tell how well that will go, however recidivism rates for pedophiles, if I remember correctly, is high.

That's making the assumption that he (or whoever) did it for sexual purposes, which we don't know yet. My alternate-hypothesis generation has thrown up a few more potential motives since my last post, although admittedly they are unlikely

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I can't imagine anything good resulting from a successful kidnapping.

Annafalk

Great they caught him ! Only 15 years old ? He must be supervised for the rest of his life somehow and also punished.

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I can't imagine anything good resulting from a successful kidnapping.

If you're referring to my comment, then no, I haven't come up with any "good" motives, just motives that aren't sexual. Just the kidnapping alone, whatever the motive, is serious, but the intent may make it even more serious.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I can't imagine anything good resulting from a successful kidnapping.

If you're referring to my comment, then no, I haven't come up with any "good" motives, just motives that aren't sexual. Just the kidnapping alone, whatever the motive, is serious, but the intent may make it even more serious.

I thought about this a little. Realistically, short of a change of heart... the best outcome for the child would have been sexual gratification. Many times, the offender satisfies himself then, likely overcome with shame and concern for themselves, they kill the child to hide the story.

This is simply not a good situation at all.

mookeywrench

Annafalk said:

Great they caught him ! Only 15 years old ? He must be supervised for the rest of his life somehow and also punished.

If there was only a government ran facility that could do both at the same time.

Annafalk

mookeywrench said:

Annafalk said:

Great they caught him ! Only 15 years old ? He must be supervised for the rest of his life somehow and also punished.

If there was only a government ran facility that could do both at the same time.

At least I hope the penalty will be hard, even if he was only 15 yrs.

PJ_Soul

I hope the motive was something "innocent" (i.e. the kid is mentally disabled and thought a baby would make his mom happy or something crazy like that), as opposed to sinister, like molestation or murder or something. You don't hear about teenagers doing stuff like this much, which is why I wonder if it was some goofy (however fucked up) motivation... just want to hope that this kid isn't a sociopath or a pervert....

Jason P

I'm going with sociopath. The report I read is that he had done something similar before.