Big Pharm absolutely has it's hands in the medical school curriculum and continuing education. There is no doubt. Do you think the endowments and donations are done for pure charity? It's the exact game that lobbyists and politicians play in Washington.
Well, if your US medical schools are allowing pharmaceutical companies to be involved in development of their curricula then they have major problems and are breaking their policies. Continuing education after med school and specialty training is another story, as I said - the quality of events purportedly for education depends greatly. Of course physicians could choose to get their information from drug companies directly, or from events sponsored by them, but that isn't really considered continuing education and wouldn't be accepted for the CME credits needed for licensure.
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None of that is a scientific study. That is just a scientist discussing an educated opinion. It is not worthless but it is only commentary. I was referring to the published journal article that the Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause piece was based on.
Sorry man, I can't find the article.
I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
None of that is a scientific study. That is just a scientist discussing an educated opinion. It is not worthless but it is only commentary. I was referring to the published journal article that the Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause piece was based on.
Sorry man, I can't find the article.
I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
None of that is a scientific study. That is just a scientist discussing an educated opinion. It is not worthless but it is only commentary. I was referring to the published journal article that the Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause piece was based on.
Sorry man, I can't find the article.
I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
Excellent article that explains this phenomenon very well! Thanks dignin. And despite my retiring here from attempting to swing anyone's opinion, I do hope someone reads the article at the link!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
None of that is a scientific study. That is just a scientist discussing an educated opinion. It is not worthless but it is only commentary. I was referring to the published journal article that the Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause piece was based on.
Sorry man, I can't find the article.
I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
Excellent article that explains this phenomenon very well! Thanks dignin. And despite my retiring here from attempting to swing anyone's opinion, I do hope someone reads the article at the link!
You are not allowed to retire Brian. We need your environmental passion here. They will eventually come around. Keep on keepin' on.
None of that is a scientific study. That is just a scientist discussing an educated opinion. It is not worthless but it is only commentary. I was referring to the published journal article that the Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause piece was based on.
Sorry man, I can't find the article.
I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
Excellent article that explains this phenomenon very well! Thanks dignin. And despite my retiring here from attempting to swing anyone's opinion, I do hope someone reads the article at the link!
I'm still trying to get access to the journal source this is based on. Currently all we have on how the data was generated to explain the pause is this:
"Mann's latest study, published in the journal Science with fellow researchers Byron A. Steinman, from the University of Minnesota-Duluth and Sonya K. Miller from Penn State, looked at climate model runs along with real-world observations."
We need to know more about the climate models and the data. Are they valid? What variables are controlled for? Can the results be reproduced? During my MSc. thesis defence I would get hammered on questions such as these. I am not necessarily arguing that the models are wrong, although they could be, I am just trying to get at the root of how the pause is being explained. The pause is happening and we need to understand it before setting policy.
None of that is a scientific study. That is just a scientist discussing an educated opinion. It is not worthless but it is only commentary. I was referring to the published journal article that the Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause piece was based on.
Sorry man, I can't find the article.
I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
Excellent article that explains this phenomenon very well! Thanks dignin. And despite my retiring here from attempting to swing anyone's opinion, I do hope someone reads the article at the link!
I'm still trying to get access to the journal source this is based on. Currently all we have on how the data was generated to explain the pause is this:
"Mann's latest study, published in the journal Science with fellow researchers Byron A. Steinman, from the University of Minnesota-Duluth and Sonya K. Miller from Penn State, looked at climate model runs along with real-world observations."
We need to know more about the climate models and the data. Are they valid? What variables are controlled for? Can the results be reproduced? During my MSc. thesis defence I would get hammered on questions such as these. I am not necessarily arguing that the models are wrong, although they could be, I am just trying to get at the root of how the pause is being explained. The pause is happening and we need to understand it before setting policy.
I will take a look around. My wife is far better at navigating peer reviewed papers, and as I'm sure you know.....we don't all have access to these papers in journals, unless we pay a licence fee.
None of that is a scientific study. That is just a scientist discussing an educated opinion. It is not worthless but it is only commentary. I was referring to the published journal article that the Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause piece was based on.
Sorry man, I can't find the article.
I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
Excellent article that explains this phenomenon very well! Thanks dignin. And despite my retiring here from attempting to swing anyone's opinion, I do hope someone reads the article at the link!
You are not allowed to retire Brian. We need your environmental passion here. They will eventually come around. Keep on keepin' on.
Well, OK. How about a little vacation then?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
None of that is a scientific study. That is just a scientist discussing an educated opinion. It is not worthless but it is only commentary. I was referring to the published journal article that the Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause piece was based on.
Sorry man, I can't find the article.
I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
Excellent article that explains this phenomenon very well! Thanks dignin. And despite my retiring here from attempting to swing anyone's opinion, I do hope someone reads the article at the link!
I'm still trying to get access to the journal source this is based on. Currently all we have on how the data was generated to explain the pause is this:
"Mann's latest study, published in the journal Science with fellow researchers Byron A. Steinman, from the University of Minnesota-Duluth and Sonya K. Miller from Penn State, looked at climate model runs along with real-world observations."
We need to know more about the climate models and the data. Are they valid? What variables are controlled for? Can the results be reproduced? During my MSc. thesis defence I would get hammered on questions such as these. I am not necessarily arguing that the models are wrong, although they could be, I am just trying to get at the root of how the pause is being explained. The pause is happening and we need to understand it before setting policy.
I will take a look around. My wife is far better at navigating peer reviewed papers, and as I'm sure you know.....we don't all have access to these papers in journals, unless we pay a licence fee.
Thanks for posting. Trying to get at the full article from my old university account. I don't want to prejudge but this quote leads me to believe that the findings are largely based on conjecture and/or researcher bias.
"The researchers conclude that the down-trending PMO and the unusual slowing of warming over the past decade are tied to heat burial beneath the tropical Pacific and a tendency for sustained La Niña type conditions. While there is paleoclimate data suggesting that this type of response could come from subtle features of climate change itself that climate models do not currently capture, the researchers note that the most likely explanation is the random excursions of the AMO."
I don't mean to question Mann's motives but if he cannot explain the pause it certainly impacts much of his earlier research. Previous research could have been well intentioned but current data is not lining up with what initial models predicted. This is problematic.
If this study is correct though the concept of "heat burial" needs to be investigated further. What is it exactly? Is it another feedback mechanism that allows for earth temperature regulation? Can the earth deal with man made temperature fluctuations?
what type of data would it take to definitively convince people that man made technology has fucked with and/or sped up the natural climate cycles on earth?
what type of data would it take to definitively convince people that man made technology has fucked with and/or sped up the natural climate cycles on earth?
Big Pharm absolutely has it's hands in the medical school curriculum and continuing education. There is no doubt. Do you think the endowments and donations are done for pure charity? It's the exact game that lobbyists and politicians play in Washington.
Big Pharm absolutely has it's hands in the medical school curriculum and continuing education. There is no doubt. Do you think the endowments and donations are done for pure charity? It's the exact game that lobbyists and politicians play in Washington.
No, endowments and donations aren't done for charity. They're done for branding, name recognition, getting their message in front of everyone as often they can. I certainly don't like it any more than you do, but I don't see the evidence that they impact on actual medical education, particularly in the area of nutrition which is what you originally claimed.
Getting their product used in the OR for a "donation"? Sure, I'd believe that.
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what type of data would it take to definitively convince people that man made technology has fucked with and/or sped up the natural climate cycles on earth?
It's impossible to actually prove that.
no it isnt. But we will all be dust in order to do so.
what type of data would it take to definitively convince people that man made technology has fucked with and/or sped up the natural climate cycles on earth?
It's impossible to actually prove that.
no it isnt. But we will all be dust in order to do so.
So scientists know what the climate is supposed to be in 50 years? They can't even tell me if it is going to rain tomorrow. There is no way to prove if anything we are doing on earth is speeding up or slowing down weather cycles.
what type of data would it take to definitively convince people that man made technology has fucked with and/or sped up the natural climate cycles on earth?
It's impossible to actually prove that.
no it isnt. But we will all be dust in order to do so.
So scientists know what the climate is supposed to be in 50 years? They can't even tell me if it is going to rain tomorrow. There is no way to prove if anything we are doing on earth is speeding up or slowing down weather cycles.
I don't know what you mean by we are all dust.
Climate and weather are not the same.
I mean by the time the people who refuse to be convinced will only be when its too late.
what type of data would it take to definitively convince people that man made technology has fucked with and/or sped up the natural climate cycles on earth?
It's impossible to actually prove that.
no it isnt. But we will all be dust in order to do so.
So scientists know what the climate is supposed to be in 50 years? They can't even tell me if it is going to rain tomorrow. There is no way to prove if anything we are doing on earth is speeding up or slowing down weather cycles.
I don't know what you mean by we are all dust.
They can't tell if it will rain because thats called weather, not climate. They can however tell you that living in a desert will mean youre going to receive less rain, based on the arid climate. YAY for middle school science!
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I hereby gracefully bow out of trying to convince you that the major increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is anthropogenic, or that this increase is of a any significant concern. Good luck.
"Mann's latest study, published in the journal Science with fellow researchers Byron A. Steinman, from the University of Minnesota-Duluth and Sonya K. Miller from Penn State, looked at climate model runs along with real-world observations."
We need to know more about the climate models and the data. Are they valid? What variables are controlled for? Can the results be reproduced? During my MSc. thesis defence I would get hammered on questions such as these. I am not necessarily arguing that the models are wrong, although they could be, I am just trying to get at the root of how the pause is being explained. The pause is happening and we need to understand it before setting policy.
Here is an abstract.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150226144911.htm
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6225/988
"The researchers conclude that the down-trending PMO and the unusual slowing of warming over the past decade are tied to heat burial beneath the tropical Pacific and a tendency for sustained La Niña type conditions. While there is paleoclimate data suggesting that this type of response could come from subtle features of climate change itself that climate models do not currently capture, the researchers note that the most likely explanation is the random excursions of the AMO."
I don't mean to question Mann's motives but if he cannot explain the pause it certainly impacts much of his earlier research. Previous research could have been well intentioned but current data is not lining up with what initial models predicted. This is problematic.
If this study is correct though the concept of "heat burial" needs to be investigated further. What is it exactly? Is it another feedback mechanism that allows for earth temperature regulation? Can the earth deal with man made temperature fluctuations?
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Getting their product used in the OR for a "donation"? Sure, I'd believe that.
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I don't know what you mean by we are all dust.
I mean by the time the people who refuse to be convinced will only be when its too late.
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