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Obama easing tensions with Cuba

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President Obama is beginning to loosen restrictions on Cuba. A prisoner exchange negotiated by Pope Francis seemed to start this. John Kerry stated that he wanted to be the first Secretary of State to visit Cuba in over 50 years. If sanctions are actually lifted and business and trade is allowed, will it actually help the United States and Cuba? Or is this a last ditch effort for President Obama go secure a positive legacy?

I know people will say Obamacare is positive and will ultimately be his legacy. I don't.

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    Yeah this sucks how dare OBAMA wanna make friends with them communist ....So in your opinion OBAMA has done nothing positive up until this ?
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    josevolution wrote: »
    Yeah this sucks how dare OBAMA wanna make friends with them communist ....So in your opinion OBAMA has done nothing positive up until this ?

    I didn't say that. I don't think his legacy will be positive. Mainly because of the health care law.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    Finally Cubans won't have to be smuggled in… Cigars that is...
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    tempo_n_groove wrote: »
    Finally Cubans won't have to be smuggled in… Cigars that is...

    batta bing lol
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    good.

    what the fuck took so long?


    of course republicans oppose it...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    josevolution wrote: »
    Yeah this sucks how dare OBAMA wanna make friends with them communist ....So in your opinion OBAMA has done nothing positive up until this ?

    I didn't say that. I don't think his legacy will be positive. Mainly because of the health care law.

    really ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    Let's see. I guess all the other good things Obama's done wo
    gimmesometruth27 wrote: »
    good.

    what the fuck took so long?


    of course republicans oppose it...

    What DON'T republicans oppose?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    backseatLover12 wrote: »
    Let's see. I guess all the other good things Obama's done wo
    gimmesometruth27 wrote: »
    good.

    what the fuck took so long?


    of course republicans oppose it...

    What DON'T republicans oppose?

    true.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Good news for pro baseball.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    at first blush it seems like a good thing. Its been said that the only reason the Castros are STILL in power is because of the embargo. We became a ready made excuse for many failings there.

    I think Rubio is pissed because like the dreamers Obama stole his thunder. Imagine a cuban american president normalizing relations with cuba.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    For the record, I'm not a republican and I'm not opposed to this. It seems odd to me that he negotiates this prisoners release after 5 years. Why not 4 years ago? Why wait so long? This could have been done immediately after Castro's son came into power.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    mickeyrat wrote: »
    at first blush it seems like a good thing. Its been said that the only reason the Castros are STILL in power is because of the embargo. We became a ready made excuse for many failings there.

    I think Rubio is pissed because like the dreamers Obama stole his thunder. Imagine a cuban american president normalizing relations with cuba.

    except president rubio would not do that.

    remember, he bailed on supporting his own immigration bill. the bill he sponsored, he withdrew support of it.....

    rubio only stands for something that is politically expedient.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    For the record, I'm not a republican and I'm not opposed to this. It seems odd to me that he negotiates this prisoners release after 5 years. Why not 4 years ago? Why wait so long? This could have been done immediately after Castro's son came into power.

    that was his older brother Raul who stepped in.

    18 months of negotiations. Secured the release of a cuban national who worked for the US as a spy as a part of this.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    mickeyrat wrote: »
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    For the record, I'm not a republican and I'm not opposed to this. It seems odd to me that he negotiates this prisoners release after 5 years. Why not 4 years ago? Why wait so long? This could have been done immediately after Castro's son came into power.

    that was his older brother Raul who stepped in.

    18 months of negotiations. Secured the release of a cuban national who worked for the US as a spy as a part of this.

    Sorry, I don't know why I was thinking it was his son.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    mickeyrat wrote: »
    Last-12-Exit wrote: »
    For the record, I'm not a republican and I'm not opposed to this. It seems odd to me that he negotiates this prisoners release after 5 years. Why not 4 years ago? Why wait so long? This could have been done immediately after Castro's son came into power.

    that was his older brother Raul who stepped in.

    18 months of negotiations. Secured the release of a cuban national who worked for the US as a spy as a part of this.

    Sorry, I don't know why I was thinking it was his son.
    no prob. That cuban had been in prison for 20 yrs. Hes being transfered here.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote: »
    Good news for pro baseball.
    And there ya go.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I wonder if the crash of the ruble had any effect on this announcement?

    Cuba's economy was dependent on Venezuela and their economy is a dumpster fire right now.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    Opportunism. Its the American Way!!!!
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited December 2014
    Lots of Buzz here in South Florida as you can Imagine.It will help some folks get to see family more frequently in Cuba.So that's good.
    The Russian Economy sucking wind and its ripple effect is an interesting twist on timing Jason.
    Thats something to watch as this continues to develop.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Is this newspaper popular in the states?
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/world/americas/us-cuba-relations.html?_r=0
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    After following this on and off for several decades, wow!

    'bout time!
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    edited December 2014
    A simple "about fucking time" for something that has been so stupid for decades is finally getting fixed.
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881
    Smellyman wrote: »
    A simple "about fucking time" for something that has been so stupid for decades is finally getting fixed.

    Agreed.

  • even flow - question markeven flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Dang! The best island to visit because we didn't have to deal with 'Merican tourists! Had to go to hell some day.

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    HA. Was thinking what a great bargain it must be but no more. And no obnoxious American tourists. Ha.
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  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881
    edited December 2014
    http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/life/worlds-best-tourists-026319

    Actually callen, Cuba is not that cheap. While you can stay in Casa Particulares(rooms in people's houses) for 20-30/nite, hotels are expensive. A good hotel in Havana will cost 200/nite.
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