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Need help on a good preamp

To go with a Pro-ject debut carbon record player. Thank in advance for any advice!
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  • marjenmarjen CT Posts: 808
    You looking for a phono pre? If so check out the bugle2. Great unit, I have one paired with my uturn orbit and it sounds great.

    http://hagerman-audio-labs.myshopify.com/products/bugle2
  • TH113769TH113769 Posts: 439
    Yes - a phono preamp. Thanks for the advice!
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  • juddboz80juddboz80 Posts: 2,141
    Are u looking for a tube pre amp??
    Cant buy what i want cause its free....
  • TH113769TH113769 Posts: 439
    doesn't have to be a tube preamp
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  • ldent42ldent42 NYC Posts: 7,859
    I can't be the only person who read this as prenup instead of preamp.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    ldent42 said:

    I can't be the only person who read this as prenup instead of preamp.

    Ha! Was in fact just going to post something along those lines.... Can't help with a prenup, though. Or a preamp, come to think about it. I'm pretty much useless here.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PH20PH20 Posts: 466
    Why not stick to the same brand. Pro-ject makes a number of highly regarded phono-pre's from $100-$500. They even have a couple super high-end ones.

    How much you looking to spend?
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  • TH113769TH113769 Posts: 439
    looking to spend under $300
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  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    Bellari makes a really nice tube preamp in that range.
    Just make sure to change out the factory tube.

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  • joberschlakejoberschlake Columbus, OH Posts: 1,179
    What kind off after market tube would you recommend?
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  • lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195

    What kind off after market tube would you recommend?

    I am trying to think of the one I have in mine...... damn... getting old sucks.
    I think I run with a Mullard NOS... but I have also used JJ Electronics and RCAs.
    I also hear that Telefunken sounds good in that unit but have never used them.

    I will get back to you once I get home to confirm it.
    It is super quiet though and has a very warm sound.

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    1996- Charleston, SC

    1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN

    2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN

    2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA

    2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)

    2006- Cincinnati, OH

    2008- Columbia, SC

    2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2

    2010- Bristow, VA

    2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL

    2012- Atlanta, GA

    2013- Charlotte, NC

    2014- Cincinnati, OH

    2015- New York, NY

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    2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2

    2020- Nashville, TN 

    2022- Smashville 

    2023- Austin, TX x2

    2024- Baltimore

  • MT132914MT132914 Posts: 188
    I have an old Akai AA-1200 from the late 70's to go with my project turntable, just started using it 2 weeks ago after my partners Dad brought it around. That combo through Bose 901 speakers has my basement rockin'.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    MT132914 said:

    I have an old Akai AA-1200 from the late 70's to go with my project turntable, just started using it 2 weeks ago after my partners Dad brought it around. That combo through Bose 901 speakers has my basement rockin'.

    Bose 901's!!! Ahhhhh always wanted a set. Memories. Still sell them?
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  • MT132914MT132914 Posts: 188
    callen said:

    MT132914 said:

    I have an old Akai AA-1200 from the late 70's to go with my project turntable, just started using it 2 weeks ago after my partners Dad brought it around. That combo through Bose 901 speakers has my basement rockin'.

    Bose 901's!!! Ahhhhh always wanted a set. Memories. Still sell them?
    yeap, still about $2000 too. I got mine from the father in law, and a friend found as pair on the curb as someone was moving and obviously didn't want to lug them to the new place, quite the score as there is nothing wrong with them either, he just had to track down an equaliser for them.

  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    MT132914 said:

    callen said:

    MT132914 said:

    I have an old Akai AA-1200 from the late 70's to go with my project turntable, just started using it 2 weeks ago after my partners Dad brought it around. That combo through Bose 901 speakers has my basement rockin'.

    Bose 901's!!! Ahhhhh always wanted a set. Memories. Still sell them?
    yeap, still about $2000 too. I got mine from the father in law, and a friend found as pair on the curb as someone was moving and obviously didn't want to lug them to the new place, quite the score as there is nothing wrong with them either, he just had to track down an equaliser for them.

    Sweet.

    As to preamp always just had amp with built in phono input. Much difference?
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  • MT132914MT132914 Posts: 188
    callen said:

    MT132914 said:

    callen said:

    MT132914 said:

    I have an old Akai AA-1200 from the late 70's to go with my project turntable, just started using it 2 weeks ago after my partners Dad brought it around. That combo through Bose 901 speakers has my basement rockin'.

    Bose 901's!!! Ahhhhh always wanted a set. Memories. Still sell them?
    yeap, still about $2000 too. I got mine from the father in law, and a friend found as pair on the curb as someone was moving and obviously didn't want to lug them to the new place, quite the score as there is nothing wrong with them either, he just had to track down an equaliser for them.

    Sweet.

    As to preamp always just had amp with built in phono input. Much difference?
    actually the Akai is technically a receiver, with both preamp and amp in one unit...I had no idea there was a diiference so I looked a few things up and found this
    PRE-AMP.
    From the Source Component (cd/dvd player, tuner, turntable,tape recorder,satellite ect.) the signal is sent to the Pre-Amp.The Pre-Amp is a component responsible for volume adjustment,input switching(choosing the Source Component you wish to use) ,tone control and balance adjustment and a gain stage.The Pre-Amp is the heart of the system and is more important than the Amp.Because the signal it passes is so small,any distortions it introduces are then amplified again by the main Amplifier.The best Pre-Amps have no tone and balance controls or filters,just a volume control. and source selection.This keeps the signal from degrading too much as it travels through less stages.These are usually more expensive than standard Pre-Amps.You pay more for less !

    POWER AMPLIFIER (AMP.)

    After the signal leaves the Pre-Amp,it arrives at the Power Amplifier (Amp.) Its job is to increase the small electrical signal it receives from the Pre-Amp.to a larger signal that will move the speakers back and forth with control and accuracy ,while not introducing any noise or distortions to the musical signal it receives from the Pre-Amp.It must amplify the full bandwidth of 10 octaves with complete linearity.It must not shift phase at any frequency and it must not amplify any harmnics more than others .

    RECEIVER.

    A Receiver is a component that has a Pre-Amp section, A Power Amplifier section and a Radio Tuner section all in the one unit. A Home Theater Receiver has a Pre-Amp/Processor section a Tuner section and 5 or more Power Amplifier sections all in the one unit.The greatest comprimise in a Receiver is the use of a single power supply for all three sections (preamp,power amp, and tuner) The needs of the power amp section affect the preamp section,which degrades the sound. A Receiver does not have discrete components otherwise it would have three power supplies for each component. That is why they are called "sections." Because of having only one power supply, each section can use part of another section when needed.This keeps the cost of Receivers fairly inexpensive.But degrades the sound for the trade off.


  • PH20PH20 Posts: 466
    edited December 2014
    If you're looking new and at a $300 budget....this one is just a bit over...$350 It is a Pro-Ject.
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    And this one is just a bit under...$230 Musical Fidelity is a rock solid audiophile brand.
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    You can find both at audioadvisor.com and search phono preamp.
    Post edited by PH20 on
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    2011 - Alpine Valley Ampitheater, East Troy
    2013 - Wrigley Field, Chicago
    2014 - Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul
    2014 - Bradley Center, Milwaukee
    2016 - Wrigley Field, Chicago
    2018 - Wrigley Field, Chicago 
  • PH20PH20 Posts: 466
    If you go used, of course, you can get more bang for the buck.
    2006 - Marcus Ampitheater, Milwaukee
    2011 - Alpine Valley Ampitheater, East Troy
    2013 - Wrigley Field, Chicago
    2014 - Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul
    2014 - Bradley Center, Milwaukee
    2016 - Wrigley Field, Chicago
    2018 - Wrigley Field, Chicago 
  • truanttruant Posts: 34
    i read prenup too. aint got nuthin man...
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  • rw160510rw160510 Posts: 1,065
    If you can stretch to it I recommend getting the acrylic platter for the debut carbon. I found that mine was generating loads of static and the felt stock mat was less than useless. Anyway it's a good turntable but the platter upgrade has made a massive difference.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    MT, Thanks for info. Well written and understandable.

    RW: always just used the rubber mat(for decades!) and never had problem. Don't get felt but still don't see how that can affect/cause static.
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