Some facts for the Obama haters
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Not bad considering he just left office.
Barack Obama Ranked 12th Best U.S. President Ever in Major Survey of Historians
TIME - Barack Obama has been whisked to a very good table at the club of former presidents, according to a C-SPAN survey of 91 presidential historians published on Friday. Obama’s 12th-place ranking only a month after leaving office is the best for any president since Ronald Reagan, who ranks ninth in the new survey. The list updates previous C-SPAN surveys compiled in 2009 and 2000.
Historians gave Obama high marks for pursuing equality, managing the economy, public persuasion and “moral authority.” On the other hand, he was judged to have been below-average in handling international relations. Overall, he placed ahead of such generally well-regarded chief executives as James Monroe and James Polk.
History’s view of the best and worst presidents was unchanged since 2009. The top spot once again went to Abraham Lincoln — the quintessential self-made man who saved the Union, emancipated the slaves, and launched the Transcontinental Railroad. He ranked no lower than fourth in all ten of the criteria by which presidents were judged. He finished first in crisis leadership, administrative skill, vision setting, and pursuit of equal justice; second in economic management, moral authority, and “performance within the context of the times”; third in public persuasion and international relations; and fourth in working with Congress.
Lincoln was followed by George Washington, with the two Roosevelts — Franklin and Theodore — in third and fourth place. The bottom spots went to the men who served just before and just after Lincoln: James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.
“Once again the Big Three are Lincoln, Washington and FDR — as it should be,” said one of the shepherds of the survey, Douglas Brinkley of Rice University in Houston. “That Obama came in at number 12 his first time out is quite impressive,” Brinkley added.
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They've lots of interests in *alternative facts* though.my2hands said:
LolRiotZact said:I love it when this thread gets bumped, its title always gives me a little chuckle. As if 99% of "Obama haters" have any interest in "facts".
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What was that about Obama being responsible for Flint's water crisis?
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Obama preserved evidence related to Trump's ties to Russian hacking of Hillary's email server and interference with our electoral process. He could have "leaked" information that may have helped Hillary and harmed trump. But he didn't. Why? Because it would have totally politicized the direct threat to our democracy and been seen as a partisan witch hunt by sore losers and dismissed and eventually swept under the carpet. Instead, he took the high road, realizing our democracy is bigger and more valuable than any one president or candidate and that the truth will come out and our democracy will continue to flourish as intended. Obama's last acts in this regard show just how moral, ethical, thoughtful and disciplined he was. He will be missed. As a result and in comparison, the republican Congress look like the ameratures they are, immoral, unethical, undisciplined and partisan to the core. 2018 can't come soon enough.
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What scandal in 8 years of Obama compares with what we have in the first 42 days of trump? Into .01348 of Trump's administration, as compared to Obama's? BS? PJFan? Anyone?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Spot onHalifax2TheMax said:Obama preserved evidence related to Trump's ties to Russian hacking of Hillary's email server and interference with our electoral process. He could have "leaked" information that may have helped Hillary and harmed trump. But he didn't. Why? Because it would have totally politicized the direct threat to our democracy and been seen as a partisan witch hunt by sore losers and dismissed and eventually swept under the carpet. Instead, he took the high road, realizing our democracy is bigger and more valuable than any one president or candidate and that the truth will come out and our democracy will continue to flourish as intended. Obama's last acts in this regard show just how moral, ethical, thoughtful and disciplined he was. He will be missed. As a result and in comparison, the republican Congress look like the ameratures they are, immoral, unethical, undisciplined and partisan to the core. 2018 can't come soon enough.
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How do all these polls (and the GOP and its followers) CONTINUE to suckle at the Reagan teet? His terrible economic policies are what lead us to where we are today. How can someone like that be considered a top 10 President???g under p said:Not bad considering he just left office.
Barack Obama Ranked 12th Best U.S. President Ever in Major Survey of Historians
TIME - Barack Obama has been whisked to a very good table at the club of former presidents, according to a C-SPAN survey of 91 presidential historians published on Friday. Obama’s 12th-place ranking only a month after leaving office is the best for any president since Ronald Reagan, who ranks ninth in the new survey. The list updates previous C-SPAN surveys compiled in 2009 and 2000.
Historians gave Obama high marks for pursuing equality, managing the economy, public persuasion and “moral authority.” On the other hand, he was judged to have been below-average in handling international relations. Overall, he placed ahead of such generally well-regarded chief executives as James Monroe and James Polk.
History’s view of the best and worst presidents was unchanged since 2009. The top spot once again went to Abraham Lincoln — the quintessential self-made man who saved the Union, emancipated the slaves, and launched the Transcontinental Railroad. He ranked no lower than fourth in all ten of the criteria by which presidents were judged. He finished first in crisis leadership, administrative skill, vision setting, and pursuit of equal justice; second in economic management, moral authority, and “performance within the context of the times”; third in public persuasion and international relations; and fourth in working with Congress.
Lincoln was followed by George Washington, with the two Roosevelts — Franklin and Theodore — in third and fourth place. The bottom spots went to the men who served just before and just after Lincoln: James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.
“Once again the Big Three are Lincoln, Washington and FDR — as it should be,” said one of the shepherds of the survey, Douglas Brinkley of Rice University in Houston. “That Obama came in at number 12 his first time out is quite impressive,” Brinkley added.
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The intense love for Reagan baffles me as well. Could you imagine what would be said today about a Republican who shared policy thoughts similar to Reagan in today's political world? He'd be called a RINO, soft on Russia, and worse. Aside from the trickle down economics the GOP still bears off to today- there's really no clear line to the love of Reagan. For crying out loud the man should have been impeached over Iran Contra. How does that get someone in the top 10? If he's top 10, we need to raise the bar on who we elect...and we're proving to be pretty terrible at who we elect sometimes.HesCalledDyer said:
How do all these polls (and the GOP and its followers) CONTINUE to suckle at the Reagan teet? His terrible economic policies are what lead us to where we are today. How can someone like that be considered a top 10 President???g under p said:Not bad considering he just left office.
Barack Obama Ranked 12th Best U.S. President Ever in Major Survey of Historians
TIME - Barack Obama has been whisked to a very good table at the club of former presidents, according to a C-SPAN survey of 91 presidential historians published on Friday. Obama’s 12th-place ranking only a month after leaving office is the best for any president since Ronald Reagan, who ranks ninth in the new survey. The list updates previous C-SPAN surveys compiled in 2009 and 2000.
Historians gave Obama high marks for pursuing equality, managing the economy, public persuasion and “moral authority.” On the other hand, he was judged to have been below-average in handling international relations. Overall, he placed ahead of such generally well-regarded chief executives as James Monroe and James Polk.
History’s view of the best and worst presidents was unchanged since 2009. The top spot once again went to Abraham Lincoln — the quintessential self-made man who saved the Union, emancipated the slaves, and launched the Transcontinental Railroad. He ranked no lower than fourth in all ten of the criteria by which presidents were judged. He finished first in crisis leadership, administrative skill, vision setting, and pursuit of equal justice; second in economic management, moral authority, and “performance within the context of the times”; third in public persuasion and international relations; and fourth in working with Congress.
Lincoln was followed by George Washington, with the two Roosevelts — Franklin and Theodore — in third and fourth place. The bottom spots went to the men who served just before and just after Lincoln: James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.
“Once again the Big Three are Lincoln, Washington and FDR — as it should be,” said one of the shepherds of the survey, Douglas Brinkley of Rice University in Houston. “That Obama came in at number 12 his first time out is quite impressive,” Brinkley added.
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No. Its not.Go Beavers said:
Blaming Obama for trump is ridiculous.PJPOWER said:
I do not remember his promise being "change you can believe in unless republicans say no".Go Beavers said:
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Okay, then how is trump Obama's fault?Idris said:
No. Its not.Go Beavers said:
Blaming Obama for trump is ridiculous.PJPOWER said:
I do not remember his promise being "change you can believe in unless republicans say no".Go Beavers said:
BS4 is right.0 -
Didn't you get the memo?Go Beavers said:B
Okay, then how is trump Obama's fault?Idris said:
No. Its not.Go Beavers said:
Blaming Obama for trump is ridiculous.PJPOWER said:
I do not remember his promise being "change you can believe in unless republicans say no".Go Beavers said:
BS4 is right.
I mean the tweet.
President Obama is responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened in America back to and including the Jamestown massacre.0 -
i mean, even Neil Young dug himledvedderman said:
The intense love for Reagan baffles me as well. Could you imagine what would be said today about a Republican who shared policy thoughts similar to Reagan in today's political world? He'd be called a RINO, soft on Russia, and worse. Aside from the trickle down economics the GOP still bears off to today- there's really no clear line to the love of Reagan. For crying out loud the man should have been impeached over Iran Contra. How does that get someone in the top 10? If he's top 10, we need to raise the bar on who we elect...and we're proving to be pretty terrible at who we elect sometimes.HesCalledDyer said:
How do all these polls (and the GOP and its followers) CONTINUE to suckle at the Reagan teet? His terrible economic policies are what lead us to where we are today. How can someone like that be considered a top 10 President???g under p said:Not bad considering he just left office.
Barack Obama Ranked 12th Best U.S. President Ever in Major Survey of Historians
TIME - Barack Obama has been whisked to a very good table at the club of former presidents, according to a C-SPAN survey of 91 presidential historians published on Friday. Obama’s 12th-place ranking only a month after leaving office is the best for any president since Ronald Reagan, who ranks ninth in the new survey. The list updates previous C-SPAN surveys compiled in 2009 and 2000.
Historians gave Obama high marks for pursuing equality, managing the economy, public persuasion and “moral authority.” On the other hand, he was judged to have been below-average in handling international relations. Overall, he placed ahead of such generally well-regarded chief executives as James Monroe and James Polk.
History’s view of the best and worst presidents was unchanged since 2009. The top spot once again went to Abraham Lincoln — the quintessential self-made man who saved the Union, emancipated the slaves, and launched the Transcontinental Railroad. He ranked no lower than fourth in all ten of the criteria by which presidents were judged. He finished first in crisis leadership, administrative skill, vision setting, and pursuit of equal justice; second in economic management, moral authority, and “performance within the context of the times”; third in public persuasion and international relations; and fourth in working with Congress.
Lincoln was followed by George Washington, with the two Roosevelts — Franklin and Theodore — in third and fourth place. The bottom spots went to the men who served just before and just after Lincoln: James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.
“Once again the Big Three are Lincoln, Washington and FDR — as it should be,” said one of the shepherds of the survey, Douglas Brinkley of Rice University in Houston. “That Obama came in at number 12 his first time out is quite impressive,” Brinkley added.
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What was that again about Obama's failed Iraq policy?
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just like GWB was Clinton's fault, I suppose. Or like Kanye will be Trump's fault.Go Beavers said:B
Okay, then how is trump Obama's fault?Idris said:
No. Its not.Go Beavers said:
Blaming Obama for trump is ridiculous.PJPOWER said:
I do not remember his promise being "change you can believe in unless republicans say no".Go Beavers said:
BS4 is right.
it's stupid.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I am seeing this all over the place......you have trump supporters saying they voted for him, but at the same time, also saying "liberal hate/elitism and Obama are the reason you have Trump-you have no one to blame but yourselves". in essence, insulting the very candidate they supposedly support. it's bizarre.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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It's like part of their brain realizes trump is a mistake, but they refuse responsibilty for their choice. Some will also forever hold on to "Clinton still would've been worse", which is a thought that logically can't be disproven since we don't have a Hillary presidency to compare trump to.HughFreakingDillon said:I am seeing this all over the place......you have trump supporters saying they voted for him, but at the same time, also saying "liberal hate/elitism and Obama are the reason you have Trump-you have no one to blame but yourselves". in essence, insulting the very candidate they supposedly support. it's bizarre.
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They are starting to come to realization that it wasn't Hillary who lost the election.HughFreakingDillon said:I am seeing this all over the place......you have trump supporters saying they voted for him, but at the same time, also saying "liberal hate/elitism and Obama are the reason you have Trump-you have no one to blame but yourselves". in essence, insulting the very candidate they supposedly support. it's bizarre.
It was America who lost.
If only someone would have warned them what a disaster a Trump presidency would be.0
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