Why doesn't PJ release shows from Jack Irons period?

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    When did the band get frustrated with jack? maybe during the jack irons chant/jam?;)
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,319
    I think if they thought he was a bad drummer they wouldn't have played with him
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  • boyo79
    boyo79 Warrington, UK Posts: 6,525
    I suppose it depends what the quality of recordings from that time are like. If it's poor quality, they ain't gonna release it.
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  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    we NEED some NA 96 boots with Jack. Those were some very underrated shows.

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  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2014
    Jack was a great drummer, just not for this band. If you compare them with any point from Jack and even 1998 with Matt, they were much tighter with Matt.
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  • ceska
    ceska New York Posts: 1,137
    I seem to recall reading that they weren't necessarily taping full shows prior to 98, and weren't taping with the idea of releasing shows. The pre-98 shows that have come out have bits and chunks missing. If they were taping direct soundboards, the sound quality wouldn't be that great because they'd be getting a mix for the venue, not for home stereos.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    Those 95' shows though...damn! Fucking awesome!
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  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    CharlieP said:

    Loyalty to Matt?

    That's the reason.
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,319
    arq said:

    CharlieP said:

    Loyalty to Matt?

    That's the reason.
    Don't think so. They've released like 5-6 dave A shows and they don't even like him. Jack shows are coming
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    arq said:

    CharlieP said:

    Loyalty to Matt?

    That's the reason.
    Orpheum boot? Vault 1?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    How so?

    I find their repeated talk about Matt's consistency points to something the felt they lacked prior to his arrival.
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  • broloco
    broloco Posts: 1,237
    NewJPage said:

    arq said:

    CharlieP said:

    Loyalty to Matt?

    That's the reason.
    Don't think so. They've released like 5-6 dave A shows and they don't even like him. Jack shows are coming
    Ditto. Jack shows are def coming. Especially tied to upcoming No Code and Yield reissues.
  • broloco
    broloco Posts: 1,237
    edited November 2014
    mcgruff10 said:

    arq said:

    CharlieP said:

    Loyalty to Matt?

    That's the reason.
    Orpheum boot? Vault 1?
    Live In NYC 12/31/92 ?
    PJ20 Soundtrack ?
    2010 Christmas single ?
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    rgambs said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    How so?

    I find their repeated talk about Matt's consistency points to something the felt they lacked prior to his arrival.
    They ve said numerous times jack saved the band when they were recording no code. No way he lacked anything. If he wasn't depressed I think he d still be the drummer.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • EB218946
    EB218946 Posts: 4,010
    Jack was part of a government plot which was working with the Cuban government to break this band up back in the 90s. There is a specific time period the band has to wait until they can release any music Jack played. The next newsletter should shed more light on this topic. :D
  • jason_94
    jason_94 Toledo, OH Posts: 1,872
    lolobugg said:

    we NEED some NA 96 boots with Jack. Those were some very underrated shows.

    Yes, I agree.

    I especially like the '96 Toronto boot. The audience recorded boot I have isn't bad. I still listen to it every so often. Very underrated !
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    Jack, Jack
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:

    rgambs said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    How so?

    I find their repeated talk about Matt's consistency points to something the felt they lacked prior to his arrival.
    They ve said numerous times jack saved the band when they were recording no code. No way he lacked anything. If he wasn't depressed I think he d still be the drummer.
    I think he is an amazing drummer, particularly in the studio, but it isn't easy to anchor a band like Pearl Jam night after night consistently and Jack left for that reason. I think he could still be the drummer and they would still be kicking fucking ass! They are elite musicians, the differences between them are pretty tiny... They both rock and I wish I had seen Jack live but I was too late to the game.
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  • cropdustdair
    cropdustdair Lakewood, CO / Earth Posts: 2,006
    Zod said:

    PJ doesn't release alot of stuff pre-2000. Theres the vault #1, the dissident set, live on 2 legs, vault #3, .. that's about it.... there probably isn't anything because they haven't release a whole lot from the pre-bootleg era. Jack drummer on the tail end of the vitalogy tour, the fairly small no code tour, and the Aussie leg of the Yield tour.. I guess overall it's not a large chunk of shows... we'll probably get something eventually. I'm a big fan of the melbourne '98 boot that circulates out there.

    Jack didn't just drum on the tail end of the Vitalogy tour. He was the drummer for the ENTIRE Vitalogy tour.
  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,319
    Zod said:

    PJ doesn't release alot of stuff pre-2000. Theres the vault #1, the dissident set, live on 2 legs, vault #3, .. that's about it.... .

    plus NYE 92, Drop in the Park, unplugged, Orpheum, PJ20 soundtrack. More on the way I'm sure.
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