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The board has lost its grit

callencallen Posts: 6,388
edited October 2014 in A Moving Train
The board has lost its grit. Strong banter. Widely varieing positions. Strong positions. Intelligent positions

Only active post people agreeing about fairies. Fk.

No longer a moving train but kiddie ride at local carnival.

Been neutered.

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    callen said:

    The board has lost its grit. Strong banter. Widely varieing positions. Strong positions. Intelligent positions

    Only active post people agreeing about fairies. Fk.

    No longer a moving train but kiddie ride at local carnival.

    Been neutered.

    Nice.

    Not sure how balls were removed or by whom, but it seems most here speak pretty freely (thankfully so).

    God forbid we might agree on some things. God forbid we might not.

    You know...when it feels like you can't post without taking shots, a little breather can be quite refreshing.

    (love me a nice carnival, too!)
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    nice fucking thread
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    The board is fine. I don't think there is a lack of strong banter, and certainly there is no lack of varying, strong and/or intelligent positions. Grit is good and here to stay.

    I took a breather from AMT a few months ago. When I came back I tried hard to not fall back into old patterns and arguments, and to try and keep my tone as respectful as possible. MAN is that hard! ;-) It does feel better though and I enjoy posting here once again.



    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    The banning of some members have def put a damper on this place ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P said:

    image

    Love Jeff but I'm old school :D

    What's with the switching up of the eye patch?
    image
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    jeff probably can see before out of his left eye. you know like when we do the eye test & cover up a eye, read letters off & cover the other eye & read letters off.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    chadwick said:

    jeff probably can see before out of his left eye. you know like when we do the eye test & cover up a eye, read letters off & cover the other eye & read letters off.

    Ah, makes sense. Fine actor, that one (plus seems downright cool/geniune too).

  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    I don't know Callen,I think there is still some quality discussions going on.What kinda thing do you think your missing?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    this is what happens when people get banned. they post elsewhere, and people who support them or enjoyed interacting with them, or think their banning was wrong also post elsewhere.

    personally, i am kind of over politics right now. i feel like i have already posted everything i have to say about the active topics on the first page. the same ones we always talk about. guns, war, occupation, climate change, cops, etc. i have said it all before.

    i am tired of arguing, and if i can avoid it, these days i choose to avoid it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    josevolution said:

    The banning of some members have def put a damper on this place ....

    Winner.

    The bans are idiotic.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Permanent bans don't seem very cool to me and we have lost some quality people, but I have to ask: are the bans idiotic... or is the banned idiotic?

    Unless a person is a fool, they know the extent to which they can assault someone with. There have been numerous times where I have felt like coming unglued on someone, but exercised restraint knowing the consequences for doing so. If a person chooses to dig their fangs in and push the envelope, then they have nobody to blame except for themselves. In some cases, I feel that some of the people banned have forced the issue (perhaps knowingly).

    Is there a standard to which members need to adhere to? Apparently 10C staff and PJ feel so and since it is their forum... they can exercise their right to enforce baseline codes of conduct.

    All this pissing and moaning about let us behave any way we want is growing really tiresome to read. If you think the boards suck... you have an element of control as well: you don't have to post or... you don't have to pay for your membership.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    this is what happens when people get banned. they post elsewhere, and people who support them or enjoyed interacting with them, or think their banning was wrong also post elsewhere.

    personally, i am kind of over politics right now. i feel like i have already posted everything i have to say about the active topics on the first page. the same ones we always talk about. guns, war, occupation, climate change, cops, etc. i have said it all before.

    i am tired of arguing, and if i can avoid it, these days i choose to avoid it.

    Good post gimme.i agree sometimes the same topics repeat in multiple threads.
    But since this is a Pearl Jam site,and it is 48 hrs until the St.Fuckin Louis show you should be jacked up and maybe head over to the porch to follow what tonight's set list is in Cincy so we can rule out what we will get on Friday.I am expecting big things from your city.I want Beer,BBQ and Rock n Roll.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Permanent bans don't seem very cool to me and we have lost some quality people, but I have to ask: are the bans idiotic... or is the banned idiotic?

    Unless a person is a fool, they know the extent to which they can assault someone with. There have been numerous times where I have felt like coming unglued on someone, but exercised restraint knowing the consequences for doing so. If a person chooses to dig their fangs in and push the envelope, then they have nobody to blame except for themselves. In some cases, I feel that some of the people banned have forced the issue (perhaps knowingly).

    Is there a standard to which members need to adhere to? Apparently 10C staff and PJ feel so and since it is their forum... they can exercise their right to enforce baseline codes of conduct.

    All this pissing and moaning about let us behave any way we want is growing really tiresome to read. If you think the boards suck... you have an element of control as well: you don't have to post or... you don't have to pay for your membership.

    Permanent bans are idiotic. Yes there are rules. And if the rules are broken, there should be punishment. I just don't think permanent bans should be one of those punishments. A 1-6 month ban would get the point across (to most people).

    I am not a paying customer for these forums. But if I was banned from the boards permanently, I might not renew my membership. Why risk losing that business when it could have been avoided with a 6 month ban?

    There is no need for name calling by anyone to anyone here. And I'm not defending anyone, but I think some here are go thin skinned to be active in AMT.

  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    I'll also say that I have no clue what the mods have to go through on a daily basis. Their job has to be difficult enough and when you add repeat offenders to the mix, I'm sure they get tired of warnings. I get it. My point is that perma bans shouldnt be used as often.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    As I mentioned, permanent bans aren't exactly cool.

    But there are ways to make your point without being an asshole. You might say people should have thicker skin to participate on the MT, I say people should be more respectful.

    I'm guilty of being dickish at times and have had the reminders via private messages from the mods. Fair enough because ultimately... they were correct. And ultimately, my venom was directed at a human being with their own personal story.

    Who am I to flaunt my perspective as if there could be no other- mocking those that disagree with me?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Permanent bans don't seem very cool to me and we have lost some quality people, but I have to ask: are the bans idiotic... or is the banned idiotic?

    Unless a person is a fool, they know the extent to which they can assault someone with. There have been numerous times where I have felt like coming unglued on someone, but exercised restraint knowing the consequences for doing so. If a person chooses to dig their fangs in and push the envelope, then they have nobody to blame except for themselves. In some cases, I feel that some of the people banned have forced the issue (perhaps knowingly).

    Is there a standard to which members need to adhere to? Apparently 10C staff and PJ feel so and since it is their forum... they can exercise their right to enforce baseline codes of conduct.

    All this pissing and moaning about let us behave any way we want is growing really tiresome to read. If you think the boards suck... you have an element of control as well: you don't have to post or... you don't have to pay for your membership.

    I tend to agree with this - and I imagine when it comes to permanence, it's been preceded by warnings and maybe some (for lack of a better term, or maybe fitting?) timeouts. I'd rather suspensions vs expulsions happen, but...though I pay, I see it as being in my host's living room. Have fun, have discussions - even passionate ones - but don't be a dick. Or try not to be a dick when asked not to be a dick.

    Not that I'm calling anyone who's been banned a dick...just trying to draw an analogy.

    I have fun here, I enjoy many of the discussions as well as those who contribute, I learn from others and have examined / reaffirmed / revised my views many a time.

    "I got memories, I got grit"
    :D


  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    rr165892 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    this is what happens when people get banned. they post elsewhere, and people who support them or enjoyed interacting with them, or think their banning was wrong also post elsewhere.

    personally, i am kind of over politics right now. i feel like i have already posted everything i have to say about the active topics on the first page. the same ones we always talk about. guns, war, occupation, climate change, cops, etc. i have said it all before.

    i am tired of arguing, and if i can avoid it, these days i choose to avoid it.

    Good post gimme.i agree sometimes the same topics repeat in multiple threads.
    But since this is a Pearl Jam site,and it is 48 hrs until the St.Fuckin Louis show you should be jacked up and maybe head over to the porch to follow what tonight's set list is in Cincy so we can rule out what we will get on Friday.I am expecting big things from your city.I want Beer,BBQ and Rock n Roll.
    Yeah, hope you both have a blast!

    As to the topics, sure some can get repetitive, but I also like when an issue veers in some unexpected but related direction so that it's not necessarily the same discussion ad nauseum.

    Also like seeing "fresh meat" (ha!) join the fray. Seems kind of cyclical, like most everything else.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    As I mentioned, permanent bans aren't exactly cool.

    But there are ways to make your point without being an asshole. You might say people should have thicker skin to participate on the MT, I say people should be more respectful.

    I'm guilty of being dickish at times and have had the reminders via private messages from the mods. Fair enough because ultimately... they were correct. And ultimately, my venom was directed at a human being with their own personal story.

    Who am I to flaunt my perspective as if there could be no other- mocking those that disagree with me?

    I hear ya. People shouldnt be dicks. I have seen first hand where people have gotten way to sensitive to comments that weren't "against the posted rules."

    I agree with you guys though, I really do. Treat others as you wish to be treated.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    There are plenty of good topics out there that's for sure, but yeah, kinda weak in some of the response. Look at the shit I posted about sea mammal slaughter. We got one decenter who thinks that's all flavor of the month stuff and a few nice folks who came to my defense (for which I am most grateful) but I don't need or want kudos- where is either a well constructed argument defending the whaling or where is the outrage over the killing? And yet we all go on and on about some yahoo who jumped the white house fence as if that means shit to a tree. While we have while 43 new posts about paranormal experiences, why only four responses to the efforts of the Columbine school district to silence the truth and lie to our kids? That's some much more serious shit going down.

    I don't agree with perma-banning anymore than any one else buts that isn't why this place has gone flat. It's us who have gone flat. On the other hand, I have to say, I don't miss the personal bating, the name calling and the aggravation that has often happened here. We can be fired up and strongly disagree on issues and still be civil with each other. This place has beaucoup potential. Let's take advantage of that opportunity!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    here is my proposed solution to the permaban thing.

    say you bought your membership in january. you get a few warnings over the months and end up getting a "permaban" in june.

    i think the permaban should expire when it comes time to renew your membership. you pay to post. if you pay to renew your membership, you are purchasing the posting that comes with it. if you get a permaban in june, tough shit, you can't post for 6 months. if you get it in february, you can't post for 11 months. you get it in october, you can't post for the rest of the year.

    i think this is fair. if someone gets to the end of their ban and chooses to renew, they renew. if they choose not to, then retire their username so that if they renew in 3 years they can't use the same one. i guarantee some people with lengthy bans won't come back. they will stay away on their own terms.

    this place is kind of cliq-ish. when someone gets a permaban, often people that are friends with that person leave too. that damages the forum. people who are valuable contributors get angry and leave and don't come back. i have seen it happen a lot over the years.

    i realize i sound like an old man when i talk about "the old days" before it became pay to post, but i really believe that it was a better forum back then. much more diverse. many different perspectives, and many more people from countries outside of the US.

    another thing that tenclub can do, would be to simply create an "ignore list" or a "block feature" so people can ignore people that piss them off.

    bam, problem solved. to me at least...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    rr165892 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    this is what happens when people get banned. they post elsewhere, and people who support them or enjoyed interacting with them, or think their banning was wrong also post elsewhere.

    personally, i am kind of over politics right now. i feel like i have already posted everything i have to say about the active topics on the first page. the same ones we always talk about. guns, war, occupation, climate change, cops, etc. i have said it all before.

    i am tired of arguing, and if i can avoid it, these days i choose to avoid it.

    Good post gimme.i agree sometimes the same topics repeat in multiple threads.
    But since this is a Pearl Jam site,and it is 48 hrs until the St.Fuckin Louis show you should be jacked up and maybe head over to the porch to follow what tonight's set list is in Cincy so we can rule out what we will get on Friday.I am expecting big things from your city.I want Beer,BBQ and Rock n Roll.
    i have been kinda following that setlist. i am pretty stoked about this show. i have no specific expectations for friday night. i think everything is on the table, so i can't really rule anything out just yet. this band always surprises me by playing things i don't expect to hear. friday i am just going to hang out at the preparty and mingle with the people that are gonna be there. then i will go in after doors open and hang out in ga and just take it all in. i am pretty thankful that they are coming to me and that i don't have to go to them this time. i just hope my city doesn't disappoint those that are making the trip.

    it is gonna be a friday in st louis. there is plenty of joy to be had, and plenty of trouble to get into, if you know where to look for it ;)
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited October 2014
    Brian, none of us need to justify responding to one topic and not another. Won't/can't speak for anyone else, but sometimes I read something and feel I have nothing of substance to contribute (in terms of posting...may have a thought or two but not worth spitting it out). That's not tantamount to apathy. Also, some topics don't light my fire; no apologies for that.

    I guess I just post when I want to, and on what I want to. Don't most of the folks here do the same?

    gimme, good idea (though I believe the ignore feature is already in place - never felt the need to use it).

    Last week was my 15-year anniversary of my beginning within the "old days" of this community. Loved them and all they brought me - but I also like the now.

    PS - fuck cliques! Always gave a squinty-eye to them.

    edit - hope I didn't come off as an a-hole, B. I'm quite fond of you, ya hippie :D
    Post edited by hedonist on
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i could be wrong, but i don't see an ignore feature.

    the old board had the friends and foes thing that worked pretty well.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    I'm puzzled by how a "friends and foes" or "ignore" feature would work (but then I'm not very social-media savvy). If you "ignore" posts by certain posters, don't you lose the point of the thread, and the reason for others' responses?
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    the way it worked was, you can put someone on your "foe" list and you could not see their posts. that person would post and it would tell you that someone you blocked posted, but you could not read the post. you could read it if someone "quoted" that post in their reply though. i guess that way you can read the reply, and if you wanted to see what the foe posted you could see it if you wanted to. it worked well for me. i had a couple people on there for a couple of weeks a couple of years ago.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i could be wrong, but i don't see an ignore feature.

    the old board had the friends and foes thing that worked pretty well.

    Ah, see! I never used it but based on various comments by posters and mods, I thought it was still in place.

    Still, one can simply ignore by personal effort; don't need a technical feature for that. In fact, doesn't it strike anyone else as...I don't know, sad, odd, immature even?...that it would take a button vs will to do that?
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    hedonist said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i could be wrong, but i don't see an ignore feature.

    the old board had the friends and foes thing that worked pretty well.

    Ah, see! I never used it but based on various comments by posters and mods, I thought it was still in place.

    Still, one can simply ignore by personal effort; don't need a technical feature for that. In fact, doesn't it strike anyone else as...I don't know, sad, odd, immature even?...that it would take a button vs will to do that?
    It doesn't happen much on this board, but on some other forums ALL THOSE IRATE POSTS IN CAPS WITH MANY EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!! get visually annoying, so it would be useful to block those out ;) . Here, yes, we can simply not read it.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    hedonist said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i could be wrong, but i don't see an ignore feature.

    the old board had the friends and foes thing that worked pretty well.

    Ah, see! I never used it but based on various comments by posters and mods, I thought it was still in place.

    Still, one can simply ignore by personal effort; don't need a technical feature for that. In fact, doesn't it strike anyone else as...I don't know, sad, odd, immature even?...that it would take a button vs will to do that?
    well....

    when someone quotes your post, they are speaking directly at you. without an ignore feature, curiosity will make you read it, because that person might knowingly be baiting you or pushing your buttons. when you are in a heated conversation, it is nearly impossible to not read what someone says to you. sometimes you need the option of using technology to ignore someone.

    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Or just let loose on the keys and then save as a draft, walk away for a bit, and realize the spike in blood pressure or simple irritation just isn't worth it in the end. Also kind of self-amusing after the fact to read what I wrote but didn't post, and shake my head at myself.

    But, I get what you're saying. Been heated too; to be devoid of button-reactions would make us robots.

    (and, you and your curiosity would get along well with our cats)
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