White House Blunder

unsung

In this case if he was shot and killed it would have been the right decision.

hedonist

unsung said:

Well gender does matter, but ok we can play PC police. I prefer the President not be in danger.

I'm all for equal opportunity but if an individual cannot perform the full duties of their job then they should be reassigned.

What if Obama was the next person standing there and he gets stabbed? Is it possible that a woman might not have equal physical strength as a man?

Are you willing to risk the life of a U.S. President on it? I'm not. She should have shot him. She's either too weak (the man wasn't restrained) or too incompetent (she didn't see him coming) to do the job. She should be fired.

This is the clarification I requested earlier. Thanks for the less-testy response.

As for PC-ness, never been a fan. Being forthright? All for it.

hedonist

rr165892 said:

It makes no difference that she was a women.The SS officer regardless of sex did not preform up to snuff.The training and reaction time did not come to play.The overpowered agent should have had weapon drawn and issued a stop order.If trespasser does not follow instructions they are to be neutralized.Threat stopped!!! That is the job.Perimeter of WH was not protected.This detail was at fault and was exposed.Every member of the at home,non direct POTUS detail should be reviewed for competency and re assigned.The boss of that unit should be demoted.They failed to hold on the most basic level.

And there ya go. This is what it's about, at least from here.

Godfather.

Idris said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

He overpowered the first agent he came across, she physically could not stop him. I'll leave it at that.

She should have used more force?

But then there would be another excessive force thread. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

You really think so? (that someone would make another excessive force thread if this guy was taken down with more force initially?)

ohhh hell yeah and the train crew would be all over it then in the end it would be Bush's fault )


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hedonist said:

rr165892 said:

It makes no difference that she was a women.The SS officer regardless of sex did not preform up to snuff.The training and reaction time did not come to play.The overpowered agent should have had weapon drawn and issued a stop order.If trespasser does not follow instructions they are to be neutralized.Threat stopped!!! That is the job.Perimeter of WH was not protected.This detail was at fault and was exposed.Every member of the at home,non direct POTUS detail should be reviewed for competency and re assigned.The boss of that unit should be demoted.They failed to hold on the most basic level.

And there ya go. This is what it's about, at least from here.

you're so on the money......you scare me ) just kidding but I agree 100%

Godgather.

Jason P

The Secret Service Let an Armed Man into an Elevator With the President

In the latest humiliation for the Secret Service, an unauthorized armed man was allowed to ride an elevator with President Obama during a tour of CDC headquarters in Atlanta this month, according to reports that were confirmed by a senior Republican congressman.

The Washington Examiner first reported on Tuesday that Obama was in an elevator with his Secret Service detail when a CDC security officer began taking photos and video of the president and "behaving unprofessionally."

The lapse was a breakdown in protocol for an agency tasked with vetting anyone who will come in close contact with Obama. The Washington Post reported that the man was a security contractor who had three prior convictions for assault and battery. He did not comply with directions from Secret Service agents to stop photographing the president.

thewire.com/politics/2014/09/the-secret-service-let-an-armed-man-into-an-elevator-with-the-president/380976/

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unsung said:

In this case if he was shot and killed it would have been the right decision.

I agree but it would have turned into a media and rights circus.

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callen

Godfather. said:

unsung said:

In this case if he was shot and killed it would have been the right decision.

I agree but it would have turned into a media and rights circus.

Godfather.

Disagree. The lady with car was blown away and not that much backlash. This guy was armed and in white house so wouldn't have been big deal.

Idris

callen said:

Godfather. said:

unsung said:

In this case if he was shot and killed it would have been the right decision.

I agree but it would have turned into a media and rights circus.

Godfather.

Disagree. The lady with car was blown away and not that much backlash. This guy was armed and in white house so wouldn't have been big deal.

Yep, I'm thinking that also.

(btw was this guy really armed?)

callen

Idris said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

unsung said:

In this case if he was shot and killed it would have been the right decision.

I agree but it would have turned into a media and rights circus.

Godfather.

Disagree. The lady with car was blown away and not that much backlash. This guy was armed and in white house so wouldn't have been big deal.

Yep, I'm thinking that also.

(btw was this guy really armed?)

Think he had a knife.

chadwick

http://youtu.be/D0aKAE1cOhk

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callen said:

Idris said:

callen said:

Godfather. said:

unsung said:

In this case if he was shot and killed it would have been the right decision.

I agree but it would have turned into a media and rights circus.

Godfather.

Disagree. The lady with car was blown away and not that much backlash. This guy was armed and in white house so wouldn't have been big deal.

Yep, I'm thinking that also.

(btw was this guy really armed?)

Think he had a knife.

the seeds of doubt have been planted , now it's time for what if's


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WASHINGTON — Secret Service Director Julia Pierson has resigned amid security lapses at the White House. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said Wednesday that Pierson offered her resignation, and he accepted it. ...

rr165892

She won't be the only one.More are coming.

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rr165892 said:

She won't be the only one.More are coming.

ohhhh yeah no doubt.

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mickeyrat

unsung said:

He overpowered the first agent he came across, she physically could not stop him. I'll leave it at that.

say it. It suggests to me that you think or believe that women arent capable of this job. what I have heard is that she was in the process of physically locking the door when he burst through.


why though is the focus now one one who WAS trying to do as protocol suggested? Wheres the remarks about the other layers of security OUTSIDE of the building?

from wiki

Uniformed Division

The Uniformed Division is similar to the United States Capitol Police and is in charge of protecting the physical White House grounds and foreign diplomatic missions in the Washington, D.C. area. Established in 1922 as the White House Police, this organization was fully integrated into the Secret Service in 1930. In 1970, the protection of foreign diplomatic missions was added to the force's responsibilities, and its name was changed to the Executive Protective Service. The name United States Secret Service Uniformed Division was adopted in 1977.

With more than 1,300 officers as of 2010, the Uniformed Division is responsible for security at the White House Complex; the vice president's residence; the Department of the Treasury (as part of the White House Complex); and foreign diplomatic missions in the Washington, D.C., area. Uniformed Division officers carry out their protective responsibilities through a network of fixed security posts, foot, bicycle, vehicular and motorcycle patrols

The Uniformed Division has three branches: the White House Branch, the Foreign Missions Branch, and the Naval Observatory Branch. Together they provide protection for the following: the president, vice president, and their immediate families; presidential candidates; the White House Complex; the Vice President's Residence; the main Treasury Department building and its annex facility; and foreign diplomatic missions in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area.[40]

Officers are responsible for providing additional support to the Secret Service's protective mission through the following special support groups:

The Counter Sniper Team (CS): Created in 1971, the CS's purpose is to provide specialized protective support to defend against long-range threats to Secret Service protectees.[41]

The Canine Explosives Detection Unit (K-9): Created in 1976, the mission of the K-9 unit is to provide skilled and specialized explosives detection support to protective efforts involving Secret Service protectees.[41]

The Emergency Response Team (ERT): Formed in 1992, ERT's primary mission is to provide tactical response to unlawful intrusions and other protective challenges related to the White House and its grounds. ERT personnel receive specialized, advanced training and must maintain a high level of physical and operational proficiency.[41]

Officers assigned to CS, ERT, and K9, are designated "Technicians" to recognize their advanced training. Today these units are part of the agency's Special Operations Division.

The Magnetometer Support Unit: Formed to ensure that all persons entering secure areas occupied by Secret Service protectees are unarmed,[41] the Secret Service began relying on magnetometer (metal detector) support by Uniformed Division officers to augment its protective efforts away from the White House following the attempt to assassinate President Ronald Reagan.

The Secret Service Uniformed Division's statutory authority is set out in Title 18, §3056A of the U. S. Code.

mickeyrat

overall issues pointed out here.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/03/us-usa-whitehouse-security-idUSKCN0HS1ZK20141003

mickeyrat

in the military when there are incidents serious enough to warrant it, they will have a safety stand down.they use this time to really assess what is going on and in what ways they can and should improve. be it new protocols, new equipment, whatever is needed to better execute the mission they are tasked with.

Obviously, they cant completely stand down, but a similar process needs to be had in many depts. An absolute honest assessment and report of same with reasonable and logical corrections to be implemented. This isnt a kneejerk "we have to do something" thing but a thoughtful, methodical approach to addressing the issues an agency faces.

I would suggest a rethink of DHS as a good place to start.