White pupils will be minority (overall) in US public schools for first time this year

PJ_Soul

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-28937660

I wonder how this is sticking in American racists' craws?

Any concerns about this? Or is this a 100% good thing? The only thing I can think of that might be a negative is if racial tensions are a big issue in public schools. But I have no idea if this is the case in the US. I don't think they are in Canadian public schools, although there is definitely a lot of self-segregation going on among students. And I know that there are issues with ESL skills in classrooms... this is actually a fairly significant issue. Same probs in the US? Or are the non-white students much more likely to speak English as a first language than in places in Canada with high immigration rates? I would imagine that the great majority of non-white students in the US would be American born, but I'm not sure.

What are solutions to these kinds of issues as we move forward and try and make kids accepting of everyone? How involved should schools be when it comes to "race relations" among children? Finally, since this means the entire US population will have a white minority soon enough, I wonder if and when that "visible minority" label used by various institutions and companies will be transferred over to white people in the US, not so much in schools, but after that? Would it be warranted or considered necessary in the same way it seems to be now?

It seems like this change in the US population would be organic, but I have a sense that it isn't and won't be, given the racial problems that the US still struggles with, so it occurred to me that these questions are probably pretty relevant.

Thoughts?

London Bridge

I would call this The Beginnining of the End for the white race in America. Got pushed out of inner city. Now moving to the farthest suburbs and beyond. Eventually some will look to leave the country and never return.
America is becoming a big shithole. It contains a slow moving plague. That's just my spin on the current status of America. I don't see good things for the future.

PJ_Soul

London Bridge said:

I would call this The Beginnining of the End for the white race in America. Got pushed out of inner city. Now moving to the farthest suburbs and beyond. Eventually some will look to leave the country and never return.
America is becoming a big shithole. It contains a slow moving plague. That's just my spin on the current status of America. I don't see good things for the future.

@-) So you think that the fewer white people there are, the bigger a shithole the US will be? Did you just call non-whites a plague, or am I misreading that?
I'll be honest, I really didn't expect to see such a racist response to my questions!

London Bridge

The plague is people who have no respect for their own or your property. Disobeying the law is an everyday thing. Selling drugs is the daily job. Keep having kids when you can't afford them....handouts. There are whites included in this mess also.

PJ_Soul

London Bridge said:

The plague is people who have no respect for their own or your property. Disobeying the law is an everyday thing. Selling drugs is the daily job. Keep having kids when you can't afford them....handouts. There are whites included in this mess also.

Okay, I'll buy that. A lot of people suck, that's true. I just don't know what that has to do with white kids being a minority in schools, which is why I'm confused.

London Bridge

Well you asked for thoughts...lol

It does have to do with whites becoming the minority in the near future.

PJ_Soul

London Bridge said:

Well you asked for thoughts...lol

It does have to do with whites becoming the minority in the near future.

How so?

blueandwhite

London Bridge said:

I would call this The Beginnining of the End for the white race in America. Got pushed out of inner city. Now moving to the farthest suburbs and beyond. Eventually some will look to leave the country and never return.
America is becoming a big shithole. It contains a slow moving plague. That's just my spin on the current status of America. I don't see good things for the future.

Out of curiosity, where would those people go? Most other nations that meet their 'whiteness' standard are probably far more liberal than the USA. Canada is also a multicultural hotbed so there isn't any point moving North and I very much doubt that Europe fits the bill. Is there a secret Island or something?

Drowned Out

Not even going to touch London bridge's posts...yikes.
But I just wanted to point out that whites will not be minorities, their will still be more whites than any other race...we just lose our 'controlling interest'...under 50%....is that the underlying message? 'white' and 'everyone else'?..kinda odd no?

hedonist

This isn't a bad thing by any means. I'm not sure how it'll go down in smaller communities - hopefully no animosity if children are raised "properly"...open to others, and not because of color, but because of an accepting welcoming mindset based on character.

I'd imagine in bigger cities, where diversity already exists, it'll be just fine. Every school I attended, from nursery to high school, surrounded by and friends with a slew of nationalities, ethnicities, cultures.

It was great!

Also, "organic" is a good way to put it. I was going to say gradual but this is more accurate.

Interested in the ESL side of things too. I've not been involved on the school front in years, but the classes were fairly common then.

PJ_Soul

Drowned Out said:

Not even going to touch London bridge's posts...yikes.
But I just wanted to point out that whites will not be minorities, their will still be more whites than any other race...we just lose our 'controlling interest'...under 50%....is that the underlying message? 'white' and 'everyone else'?..kinda odd no?

Well yeah, good point, but it does seem like that's the thinking, right? Although I would imagine whites will be an actual minority relatively soon... what do they say? 50 years or something like that?

And going from there, I wonder where the visible minorities thing ends? Because I have never noticed that it is defined by each individual ethnicity. Those kinds of policies DO seem to be written for whites vs non-whites. Will they end up defining that more solidly I wonder?

London Bridge

blueandwhite said:

London Bridge said:

I would call this The Beginnining of the End for the white race in America. Got pushed out of inner city. Now moving to the farthest suburbs and beyond. Eventually some will look to leave the country and never return.
America is becoming a big shithole. It contains a slow moving plague. That's just my spin on the current status of America. I don't see good things for the future.

Out of curiosity, where would those people go? Most other nations that meet their 'whiteness' standard are probably far more liberal than the USA. Canada is also a multicultural hotbed so there isn't any point moving North and I very much doubt that Europe fits the bill. Is there a secret Island or something?

Out of curiosity. Define "whiteness" standard.

Idris

London Bridge said:

I would call this The Beginnining of the End for the white race in America. Got pushed out of inner city. Now moving to the farthest suburbs and beyond. Eventually some will look to leave the country and never return.
America is becoming a big shithole. It contains a slow moving plague. That's just my spin on the current status of America. I don't see good things for the future.

London Bridge said:

It does have to do with whites becoming the minority in the near future.

London Bridge said:

The plague is people who have no respect for their own or your property. Disobeying the law is an everyday thing. Selling drugs is the daily job. Keep having kids when you can't afford them....handouts. There are whites included in this mess also.

London Bridge,

Does that mean, the more white people (over other races), the safer the country/place?
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If you know 'whites' are included in this mess, this 'plague', then what does it have to do with this specific topic?

PJ_Soul

London Bridge said:

blueandwhite said:

London Bridge said:

I would call this The Beginnining of the End for the white race in America. Got pushed out of inner city. Now moving to the farthest suburbs and beyond. Eventually some will look to leave the country and never return.
America is becoming a big shithole. It contains a slow moving plague. That's just my spin on the current status of America. I don't see good things for the future.

Out of curiosity, where would those people go? Most other nations that meet their 'whiteness' standard are probably far more liberal than the USA. Canada is also a multicultural hotbed so there isn't any point moving North and I very much doubt that Europe fits the bill. Is there a secret Island or something?

Out of curiosity. Define "whiteness" standard.

I would say that is defined by the person in question. That's why polls ask respondents to say what ethnicity they personally consider themselves and identify with the most. There is always a lost to choose from, including "other".

blueandwhite

London Bridge said:

blueandwhite said:

London Bridge said:

I would call this The Beginnining of the End for the white race in America. Got pushed out of inner city. Now moving to the farthest suburbs and beyond. Eventually some will look to leave the country and never return.
America is becoming a big shithole. It contains a slow moving plague. That's just my spin on the current status of America. I don't see good things for the future.

Out of curiosity, where would those people go? Most other nations that meet their 'whiteness' standard are probably far more liberal than the USA. Canada is also a multicultural hotbed so there isn't any point moving North and I very much doubt that Europe fits the bill. Is there a secret Island or something?

Out of curiosity. Define "whiteness" standard.

You're the one who is proclaiming that it's the 'beginning of the end' for the white race (whatever that means) in America. It seems to me that you're the one setting the standard, which I would assume is a country that is not heavily socialized and predominantly White. There aren't many choices that fit that criteria, so as I asked earlier; where do you expect to go? Surely you wouldn't want to immigrate to some socialist hell hole in Europe or a multicultural nightmare like Canada. Australia is also quickly becoming more multicultural with a rapid influx of South and East Asians.

London Bridge

So I may have gotten off topic and you may see my comments as racist, but I am far from being racist. I grew up in the 60's/70's and America has changed a lot since then and I don't think for the better. IMO the country has been on a downward spiral for the past 20+ years.
I'm guessing 30 years from now, much worse.

America does need change. Unfortunately we don't have anyone who can jump start that change.
Honestly, I think America is too populated and diverse for any president to run. Every decision made is good for some and bad for others.

High crime rate, expensive education, easy Gov handouts, sending jobs overseas, crooked politicians, job creation, sticking our nose in most international issues, are things that need to be fixed to get America going in the right direction, but I don't see this happening anytime soon.

hedonist

So then it's policy, not skin color?

Let's focus on the former.

pjhawks

London Bridge said:

So I may have gotten off topic and you may see my comments as racist, but I am far from being racist. I grew up in the 60's/70's and America has changed a lot since then and I don't think for the better. IMO the country has been on a downward spiral for the past 20+ years.
I'm guessing 30 years from now, much worse.

America does need change. Unfortunately we don't have anyone who can jump start that change.
Honestly, I think America is too populated and diverse for any president to run. Every decision made is good for some and bad for others.

High crime rate, expensive education, easy Gov handouts, sending jobs overseas, crooked politicians, job creation, sticking our nose in most international issues, are things that need to be fixed to get America going in the right direction, but I don't see this happening anytime soon.

actually the crime rate in America is as low as it's ever been. biggest issues facing America are financial. cost of higher education is the next bubble that is going to burst. some schools are going to be in real trouble soon. pensions are going to bankrupt cities as well. we have to stop paying into the outdated pension system. the political system in it's current state is broken because the politicians only care about re-election and their own party and very few give a damn about doing anything of real value unless it helps their bottom line.

callen

In my little white color work world in major US city 85% of workers are white. Though whites may no longer outnumber minorities combined. they will control the country and policies for many generations to come. Fear not white people.

badbrains

callen said:

In my little white color work world in major US city 85% of workers are white. Though whites may no longer outnumber minorities combined. they will control the country and policies for many generations to come. Fear not white people.

Ya, I agree with Callen.

PJ_Soul

callen said:

In my little white color work world in major US city 85% of workers are white. Though whites may no longer outnumber minorities combined. they will control the country and policies for many generations to come. Fear not white people.

Very likely true... just like in Ferguson, yeah?
:-<

hedonist

callen said:

In my little white color work world in major US city 85% of workers are white. Though whites may no longer outnumber minorities combined. they will control the country and policies for many generations to come. Fear not white people.

85%? Not here - not even close. Melange of tones and all sorts of...workers (not sure how you meant it but by me, it encompasses anyone who earns a legit wage no matter how).

And this white person isn't fearful (they're coming to take me away!). Most rational people aren't.

PJ_Soul

I think Callen just meant in his work world only... doesn't Callen hail from Texas (could be wrong there)? What he said may be more true in those parts.

hedonist

Oh....Texas. Makes sense then

grooveme

I don't know about the issue on a national level, but in Texas a fair number of the non whites are first or secind generation immigrants from Central and South America. It has been an issue in the schools that resources have had to be used to teach classes in Spanish as well as English, but my impression is that the school age kids are learning English pretty quickly (and translating for older relatives) and that this is changing. Culturally it has been an issue that whole sections of town have sprung up filled with Spanish speaking only persons who don't care to assimilate, but I think that is also changing with the younger generation. I do admit to occasional annoyance with people who expect that everyone should speak Spanish to them (I can speak some, but I do believe that all Americans should learn to speak English). And don't attack me, my parents both immigrated to the US and never expected to speak anything other than English outside of the home

As far as the racists go, I am sure that this is disturbing news.

London Bridge, it is hard not to see someone as a racist when they post "America is becoming a shithole" in a thread about nonwhites being the majority in schools. This is only a problem if you believe that whites are superior to non- whites.

And finally, I agree that we have a lot of issues right now. Most of them are the result of a government for sale to the highest bidder, who mostly are wealthy white folks by the way, and run for the benefit of large corporations and billionaires. Outsourcing of jobs, paying slave wages to the average worker to maximize corporate profit, corporate welfare and total disregard for civil rights and environmental protections, a safe food supply, etc. The "blame everything on the minorities" game is just a distraction to get votes and stay in power, imho

callen

hedonist said:

callen said:

In my little white color work world in major US city 85% of workers are white. Though whites may no longer outnumber minorities combined. they will control the country and policies for many generations to come. Fear not white people.

85%? Not here - not even close. Melange of tones and all sorts of...workers (not sure how you meant it but by me, it encompasses anyone who earns a legit wage no matter how).

And this white person isn't fearful (they're coming to take me away!). Most rational people aren't.

Last line directed at all the lolly white scared white folks.

callen said:

In my little white color work world in major US city 85% of workers are white. Though whites may no longer outnumber minorities combined. they will control the country and policies for many generations to come. Fear not white people.

Okay reread and didn't review prior to sending. "white collared" work world. Meaning at job workforce doesn't reflect city demographic.

know1

What is a "white person"? Does a quantifiable definition even exist?

Racism is one of the dumbest things ever.

rgambs

Denying the existence of racism is the most prevalent form of racism I see these days. It's even featured on these boards pretty frequently. If you use the term "race card" you need to look in the mirror and think about why you have to try to invalidate race issues.

Jason P