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unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
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We have had discussions on how to build a better police force. Apparently the decision was made to not hire intelligent individuals.

Couldn't have them cops actually making rational and complex decisions on their own, can't manipulate the smart ones so easily. There's less resistance getting the dumber ones to follow orders, no matter what the order is.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I feel like I'm missing something - or some things - here.

    One, maybe the standards applied are fucked up to begin with. Since when is lowering the bar a good thing?

    Two, maybe the person with the "too-high IQ" could do well in his/her position as hired, move up the ranks, help train those who come after.

    How it wouldn't be worth investing in someone with the will and means to succeed is beyond me.
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    hedonist said:

    I feel like I'm missing something - or some things - here.

    One, maybe the standards applied are fucked up to begin with. Since when is lowering the bar a good thing?

    Two, maybe the person with the "too-high IQ" could do well in his/her position as hired, move up the ranks, help train those who come after.

    How it wouldn't be worth investing in someone with the will and means to succeed is beyond me.

    Its Beyond me too.

    What an interesting article, I need to look into this more.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    "The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover."

    Oh, you silly courts!

    Unwise but rational - makes perfect sense.

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited August 2014
    A very misleading title and initial post.

    The article stated that this particular department implemented a policy that saw fit to hire people of average or slightly above average IQ. The rationale was that exceptionally bright people tended to quit after becoming bored with police work and left the force after costly and time consuming training efforts.

    While this explanation might be questionable, it is a far cry from only hiring dumb people. Get fucking serious.

    In the meantime, why don't you post something about this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/24/texas-police-chief-fatally-shot-during-traffic-stop/

    You know... the small town sheriff that was shot dead at a routine traffic stop? Or did you forget there are human beings with valuable lives wearing the uniform and performing very dangerous work?
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    A very misleading title and initial post.

    The article stated that this particular department implemented a policy that saw fit to hire people of average or slightly above average IQ. The rationale was that exceptionally bright people tended to quit after becoming bored with police work and left the force after costly and time consuming training efforts.

    While this explanation might be questionable, it is a far cry from only hiring dumb people. Get fucking serious.

    In the meantime, why don't you post something about this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/24/texas-police-chief-fatally-shot-during-traffic-stop/

    You know... the small town sheriff that was shot dead at a routine traffic stop? Or did you forget there are human beings with valuable lives wearing the uniform and performing very dangerous work?

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    A very misleading title and initial post.

    The article stated that this particular department implemented a policy that saw fit to hire people of average or slightly above average IQ. The rationale was that exceptionally bright people tended to quit after becoming bored with police work and left the force after costly and time consuming training efforts.

    While this explanation might be questionable, it is a far cry from only hiring dumb people. Get fucking serious.

    In the meantime, why don't you post something about this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/24/texas-police-chief-fatally-shot-during-traffic-stop/

    You know... the small town sheriff that was shot dead at a routine traffic stop? Or did you forget there are human beings with valuable lives wearing the uniform and performing very dangerous work?

    how is that related to the topic?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,604
    rgambs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    A very misleading title and initial post.

    The article stated that this particular department implemented a policy that saw fit to hire people of average or slightly above average IQ. The rationale was that exceptionally bright people tended to quit after becoming bored with police work and left the force after costly and time consuming training efforts.

    While this explanation might be questionable, it is a far cry from only hiring dumb people. Get fucking serious.

    In the meantime, why don't you post something about this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/24/texas-police-chief-fatally-shot-during-traffic-stop/

    You know... the small town sheriff that was shot dead at a routine traffic stop? Or did you forget there are human beings with valuable lives wearing the uniform and performing very dangerous work?

    how is that related to the topic?
    The article stated that this particular department implemented a policy that saw fit to hire people of average or slightly above average IQ. The rationale was that exceptionally bright people tended to quit after becoming bored with police work and left the force after costly and time consuming training efforts.
    While this explanation might be questionable, it is a far cry from only hiring dumb people. Get fucking serious.


    seems relevant. additional story? , maybe for another thread.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited August 2014
    Unsung has multiple threads all saying the same thing. None of them ever mention the other side to the profession.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    true but positive threads dont get much traction, not much to debate about
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I will agree on the choice of title - honestly, after opening the thread, I didn't give further thought to it. Not a fan of sensationalism either.

    Thirty, you and I are typically on the same or at the least similar pages when it comes to this topic. It's just that putting into place policy that is admittedly not the best road to take, just isn't logical to me (which is why I posted the above quote earlier).

    I wish that investing weren't only seen from a financial aspect. Effort, knowledge, the passing on of experience and perspective can make such a difference! Ripple-effects.

    Few years ago, I had a boss who kicked ASS and was paid quite well, but typically took a position for a few months and then moved on. Eight years later (and I worked with him for only three months), much of what he taught me is still valued and used in the present.

    I'm going to check out that link you posted.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Unsung has multiple threads all saying the same thing. None of them ever mention the other side to the profession.


    You have asked how we can improve the force, I gave you an example. As someone has said maybe an individual could move up through the ranks and create a better police department. Instead they want to hire those that aren't smart enough and don't have the motivation to better themselves. They are hiring complacent people.

    Your use of profanity is juvenile too.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:

    true but positive threads dont get much traction, not much to debate about

    You are correct: there will be no 20 page threads about the murder of this sheriff and the need to hold criminals to a higher standard.
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    then we're even. they only want to hire dumb politicians (that & lying, thieving, cheating, warmongers) mostly dumb sums things up nicely. dumb is everywhere
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    chadwick said:

    then we're even. they only want to hire dumb politicians (that & lying, thieving, cheating, warmongers) mostly dumb sums things up nicely. dumb is everywhere

    :))
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    A very misleading title and initial post.

    The article stated that this particular department implemented a policy that saw fit to hire people of average or slightly above average IQ. The rationale was that exceptionally bright people tended to quit after becoming bored with police work and left the force after costly and time consuming training efforts.

    While this explanation might be questionable, it is a far cry from only hiring dumb people. Get fucking serious.

    In the meantime, why don't you post something about this: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/24/texas-police-chief-fatally-shot-during-traffic-stop/

    You know... the small town sheriff that was shot dead at a routine traffic stop? Or did you forget there are human beings with valuable lives wearing the uniform and performing very dangerous work?

    "Steve McCraw, head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said Pimentel is the fifth law enforcement officer to die in Texas this year. Three of the five were killed by gunfire. Thirteen officers died in the line of duty last year."

    damn
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    no more forever."
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    We have had discussions on how to build a better police force. Apparently the decision was made to not hire intelligent individuals.

    Couldn't have them cops actually making rational and complex decisions on their own, can't manipulate the smart ones so easily. There's less resistance getting the dumber ones to follow orders, no matter what the order is.


    http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

    So hope you never feel compelled to call law enforcement.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,956
    They have to lack just enough intelligence to be more likely to not question authority and fall for the blue blood line. They may not be hiring only dumb people, but it does sound like they're going out of their way to not hire smart people whenever they can help it.
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