2024 CHICAGO BEARS

Wobbie

ZoSoTim said:

Wobbie said:

ZoSoTim said:

Mooney sucks but once again coaching cost us what should have been a win. That’s a least 3 this season. 

wins feel good, but your draft picks could serve you better for the future.

Fuck that. This team should be in playoff position if not for horrible coaching. That’s more important than draft positioning. 

I respectfully disagree. “good things come to those who wait.” I like the Bears…..just couldn’t see them going far in the playoffs this year, good coaching or not.

F Me In The Brain

Wobbie said:

ZoSoTim said:

Wobbie said:

ZoSoTim said:

Mooney sucks but once again coaching cost us what should have been a win. That’s a least 3 this season. 

wins feel good, but your draft picks could serve you better for the future.

Fuck that. This team should be in playoff position if not for horrible coaching. That’s more important than draft positioning. 

I respectfully disagree. “good things come to those who wait.” I like the Bears…..just couldn’t see them going far in the playoffs this year, good coaching or not.

They could be in the playoffs picture, though, with only 2 wins vs. Losses.  They've been within a TD at end of 4 or 5 games.
Don't think they are a good team but not having their qb for a while, on top of being coached by an idiot, I think what he is saying makes sense.

Indifference71

ZoSoTim said:

Wobbie said:

ZoSoTim said:

Mooney sucks but once again coaching cost us what should have been a win. That’s a least 3 this season. 

wins feel good, but your draft picks could serve you better for the future.

Fuck that. This team should be in playoff position if not for horrible coaching. That’s more important than draft positioning. Plus we still have the Panthers pick which should end up being #1 overall. 

I'm with you here.  Time to win some games.  The obsession with tanking for draft picks like it's some sort of foolproof way to be successful is crazy.  No player is ever going to try to lose a game.  They don't give a shit about future draft picks.

Wobbie

Indifference71 said:

ZoSoTim said:

Wobbie said:

ZoSoTim said:

Mooney sucks but once again coaching cost us what should have been a win. That’s a least 3 this season. 

wins feel good, but your draft picks could serve you better for the future.

Fuck that. This team should be in playoff position if not for horrible coaching. That’s more important than draft positioning. Plus we still have the Panthers pick which should end up being #1 overall. 

I'm with you here.  Time to win some games.  The obsession with tanking for draft picks like it's some sort of foolproof way to be successful is crazy.  No player is ever going to try to lose a game.  They don't give a shit about future draft picks.

OK, but don’t waste it on the Lambeau Weeper.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

In 2021 when the Bears drafted Fields I told friends, and I am pretty sure I said it on this board. 

"Tom Brady will have more touchdown passes this year than Fields has in his entire career with the Bears"

Brady had 43 TD's in 2021
Fields has 40 in his career. 

Indifference71

If this team was serious, they'd go get Harbaugh and draft a QB.  But they won't.  

Wobbie

harbaugh and caleb williams would make the bears completely hateable.

Johnny Abruzzo

If anyone is actually from Chicago...

What's a good neighborhood to stay in for a 4-day family trip, attending White Sox & Cubs games. Looking to rent a VRBO.

Indifference71

I think Lincoln Park/Lakeview area would be a good spot.  Would have access to the train that you can take to both stadiums...

Johnny Abruzzo

Indifference71 said:

I think Lincoln Park/Lakeview area would be a good spot.  Would have access to the train that you can take to both stadiums...

Cool - I definitely saw properties in that area. Thanks!

mca47

Indifference71 said:

If this team was serious, they'd go get Harbaugh and draft a QB.  But they won't.  

I'm still not certain what they should do at QB.  I think in the right system, Fields could be a solid QB.  His processing time, after 3 years is still waaaaaaaay too slow, and couple that with a OL that is easily confused and an offensive coordinator who makes no adjustments.
That said, would it be better to stack picks and let him play another year (on the cheap) then look forward to replacing him, or just go after another unproven college QB.  This is def a good year for QBs in the draft, I'm just not sure any of them can succeed with Getsy and Flus in charge.
I go back and forth a lot, but yesterday's game made me lean towards taking a guy early in the draft and seeing what we can get trading Fields.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

And with the 1st pick in the 2024 draft, the Chicago Bears.....

Select some clown that nobody will remember in 3 years. 

Wobbie

I guess I care more about what happens to Justin than I care about what happens to the Bears. I just don’t want him to get traded to someone looking for a backup. I think he’s got the talent to start and have success.

not being a Bears fan or weekly watcher, I’ll admit I don’t know if all the sacks he takes are due to slow reads or being surrounded by mediocre players and coaches. Probably a bit of both?

F Me In The Brain

mca47 said:

Indifference71 said:

If this team was serious, they'd go get Harbaugh and draft a QB.  But they won't.  

I'm still not certain what they should do at QB.  I think in the right system, Fields could be a solid QB.  His processing time, after 3 years is still waaaaaaaay too slow, and couple that with a OL that is easily confused and an offensive coordinator who makes no adjustments.
That said, would it be better to stack picks and let him play another year (on the cheap) then look forward to replacing him, or just go after another unproven college QB.  This is def a good year for QBs in the draft, I'm just not sure any of them can succeed with Getsy and Flus in charge.
I go back and forth a lot, but yesterday's game made me lean towards taking a guy early in the draft and seeing what we can get trading Fields.

This seems to be a good thought.
Trade both top picks, get back a huge haul for this year - multiple 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, maybe a 2nd.  I think the top picks flame out more than the others, or the teams stick with longer based on investment.  Better to make a bunch of picks and know you will hit on some good ones and include a QB somewhere in there so be a good back up plan.
Chance of loading up huge on 2 top picks and having at least one of them crash and burn seems pretty high.

edit -- as a Niners fan I want them trading their first round pick EVERY YEAR.  Get more lower round picks!

mca47

Wobbie said:

I guess I care more about what happens to Justin than I care about what happens to the Bears. I just don’t want him to get traded to someone looking for a backup. I think he’s got the talent to start and have success.

not being a Bears fan or weekly watcher, I’ll admit I don’t know if all the sacks he takes are due to slow reads or being surrounded by mediocre players and coaches. Probably a bit of both?

Both, but he is ranked basically last among 2023 starting QBs on the time it takes for him to get the snap to him throwing it.  The line doesn't help, but his progressions are painfully slow....to the fans and probably to him as it results in him taking a beating.

Wobbie

mca47 said:

Wobbie said:

I guess I care more about what happens to Justin than I care about what happens to the Bears. I just don’t want him to get traded to someone looking for a backup. I think he’s got the talent to start and have success.

not being a Bears fan or weekly watcher, I’ll admit I don’t know if all the sacks he takes are due to slow reads or being surrounded by mediocre players and coaches. Probably a bit of both?

Both, but he is ranked basically last among 2023 starting QBs on the time it takes for him to get the snap to him throwing it.  The line doesn't help, but his progressions are painfully slow....to the fans and probably to him as it results in him taking a beating.

yeah….Utah’s QB (3rd string pig famer) was very indecisive and it hurt him (physically) and the team.

what do you think the Bears could get for Fields?

Indifference71

mca47 said:

Wobbie said:

I guess I care more about what happens to Justin than I care about what happens to the Bears. I just don’t want him to get traded to someone looking for a backup. I think he’s got the talent to start and have success.

not being a Bears fan or weekly watcher, I’ll admit I don’t know if all the sacks he takes are due to slow reads or being surrounded by mediocre players and coaches. Probably a bit of both?

Both, but he is ranked basically last among 2023 starting QBs on the time it takes for him to get the snap to him throwing it.  The line doesn't help, but his progressions are painfully slow....to the fans and probably to him as it results in him taking a beating.

Yeah he just doesn't have it.  Every game he seems to end up in the same space being around 13 for 20 for 170 yards and 1 TD.  He's just not a good passer.  If he was, he would have shown it by now.  When Tyson Bagent started those 4 games he looked more comfortable in the pocket than Fields and he was a Division 2 rookie!

mca47

Wobbie said:

mca47 said:

Wobbie said:

I guess I care more about what happens to Justin than I care about what happens to the Bears. I just don’t want him to get traded to someone looking for a backup. I think he’s got the talent to start and have success.

not being a Bears fan or weekly watcher, I’ll admit I don’t know if all the sacks he takes are due to slow reads or being surrounded by mediocre players and coaches. Probably a bit of both?

Both, but he is ranked basically last among 2023 starting QBs on the time it takes for him to get the snap to him throwing it.  The line doesn't help, but his progressions are painfully slow....to the fans and probably to him as it results in him taking a beating.

yeah….Utah’s QB (3rd string pig famer) was very indecisive and it hurt him (physically) and the team.

what do you think the Bears could get for Fields?

I think they could get a 2nd rd for Fields.

mca47

Indifference71 said:

mca47 said:

Wobbie said:

I guess I care more about what happens to Justin than I care about what happens to the Bears. I just don’t want him to get traded to someone looking for a backup. I think he’s got the talent to start and have success.

not being a Bears fan or weekly watcher, I’ll admit I don’t know if all the sacks he takes are due to slow reads or being surrounded by mediocre players and coaches. Probably a bit of both?

Both, but he is ranked basically last among 2023 starting QBs on the time it takes for him to get the snap to him throwing it.  The line doesn't help, but his progressions are painfully slow....to the fans and probably to him as it results in him taking a beating.

Yeah he just doesn't have it.  Every game he seems to end up in the same space being around 13 for 20 for 170 yards and 1 TD.  He's just not a good passer.  If he was, he would have shown it by now.  When Tyson Bagent started those 4 games he looked more comfortable in the pocket than Fields and he was a Division 2 rookie!

Yeah, rarely does he hit anyone on the initial routes.  It's not until things break down where the creativity can allow for some decent yards.  
Have you also noticed how few true slants are called during the course of a game?  Very few and those that are are deeper clearing routes.  You watch that Packer's game and it seemed like 90% of the damage they did were on true slants against a cover two.  Love was geared to fire before his plant foot hit the turf.  A sign that the Packers can call a game and they have a QB who is comfortable with timing.

Wobbie

^^^ points taken, but maybe that’s coaching and/or (hate this term) scheming?

QB is such a hard position to evaluate, still it’s hard to believe a guy who went 41 TD and 3 INT in the B1G doesn’t have talent…unlike some BYU puke who “wowed scouts at his pro day.”