Michael Brown Shooting

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fife said:

JimmyV said:

Michael Brown committed a crime minutes before his fatal meeting with the police officer. Arguing he was not a thug or that he had no criminal record seems to ignore that point. There are deep and legitimate problems with the police force in Ferguson, but from get-go Brown was a poor test case to rally around.

oh fuck, I am a thug too then as I once stole a bag of chips when i was younger. lets hope the next person who gets shot 6 times has done nothing wrong.

quick question, now that I am a thug am I also a no good oxygen thief too?

Get serious.

When you stole your bag of chips did you rough up the store owner, ignore a cop as they told you to get out of the middle of the street, and then proceed to punch the cop?

Yah. Brown was a little angel.

Geezuz Murphy.

Last-12-Exit

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

muskydan

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

lolobugg

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

I think more correctly he is blaming "cops" like you for creating an environment where young people are profiled and don't trust their "civil servants" to treat them like a human being.

Last-12-Exit

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

That's garbage. (Not that what I said isn't speculative, it is, the second paragraph.) Had Wilson actually done something wrong and been charged with a crime, the DoJ doesn't spend a minute in Ferguson.

rgambs

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

To a very small extent, yes. Very small.
When you make your racist comments about the people who live in the ghetto, you get to blame your experiences there for your attitudes. When Brown shows a lack of respect for authority he doesn't get to blame his experiences in Ferguson for his attitudes?
Explain please.

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lolobugg said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

I think more correctly he is blaming "cops" like you for creating an environment where young people are profiled and don't trust their "civil servants" to treat them like a human being.

If he didn't trust them... then he should have been more careful with them.

This isn't a case of trust as much as it was a case of disregard.

rgambs

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

That's garbage. (Not that what I said isn't speculative, it is, the second paragraph.) Had Wilson actually done something wrong and been charged with a crime, the DoJ doesn't spend a minute in Ferguson.

What's garbage? The FACTS that were uncovered in the investigation? Again, you speculate wildly. The investigation was announced long before the Grand Jury decision was given, remember?

lolobugg

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lolobugg said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

I think more correctly he is blaming "cops" like you for creating an environment where young people are profiled and don't trust their "civil servants" to treat them like a human being.

If he didn't trust them... then he should have been more careful with them.

This isn't a case of trust as much as it was a case of disregard.

everybody has their breaking point....not saying this guy was an angel and was probably guilty of criminal behavior... but being someone who has dealt with bullying behavior- I can understand.

think of all the people who are bullied that don't act on it. media just highlighted this one incendiary case.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lolobugg said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

I think more correctly he is blaming "cops" like you for creating an environment where young people are profiled and don't trust their "civil servants" to treat them like a human being.

If he didn't trust them... then he should have been more careful with them.

This isn't a case of trust as much as it was a case of disregard.

A good distinction, but arising from the same cause.

To be clear, MB ultimately owns his actions on that, but to act like there were no contributing factors isn't fair at all. Cops get to be fearful and trigger happy because of violence toward cops, but citizens can't be disrespectful and disregarding because of mistreatment by cops? Obvious double standard.

muskydan

rgambs said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

To a very small extent, yes. Very small.
When you make your racist comments about the people who live in the ghetto, you get to blame your experiences there for your attitudes. When Brown shows a lack of respect for authority he doesn't get to blame his experiences in Ferguson for his attitudes?
Explain please.

I agree with you to a very small extent, like very very small. See, can can agree on some things rgambs...

rr165892

JimmyV said:

dignin said:

And the more times I hear some here use the word "thug" the more I believe that they are using it contextually in a racist way.

The behavior exhibited in that convenience store is without doubt thug-like behavior. The color of Brown's skin is irrelevant to me. The racism charge is just flat wrong.

This,this ,this

rr165892

jeffbr said:

JimmyV said:

fife said:

JimmyV said:

Michael Brown committed a crime minutes before his fatal meeting with the police officer. Arguing he was not a thug or that he had no criminal record seems to ignore that point. There are deep and legitimate problems with the police force in Ferguson, but from get-go Brown was a poor test case to rally around.

oh fuck, I am a thug too then as I once stole a bag of chips when i was younger. lets hope the next person who gets shot 6 times has done nothing wrong.

quick question, now that I am a thug am I also a no good oxygen thief too?

If your behavior when you stole that bag of chips in any way resembled Michael Brown's on that convenience store video then you just might be a thug. I'm betting, however, that it didn't at all resemble that.

Exactly. I totally get the contempt the people of Ferguson have for their justice system. I'm glad the feds are there cleaning it up. It is clearly way past due. People certainly have valid grievances. They should protest, and they should talk about those things that need to be fixed. But they need to get off of the Michael Brown thing. It completely sabotages their position, and makes many of us unwilling to join their voices. Brown was a criminal. Brown was a punk. Brown wasn't an example of Ferguson PD gone wrong. Brown was an example of how to turn a routine stop into a deadly shooting by being an asshole. I'm glad Ferguson is going to see some changes. I wish Brown hadn't been their poster child.

Another quality response Jeff.

rr165892

Did everyone forget the young Mr.Brown tried to take an officers weapon? Can we please move on.If he wasn't a thug ,he was a stupid punk.Has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with attitude and actions.

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rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lolobugg said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

I think more correctly he is blaming "cops" like you for creating an environment where young people are profiled and don't trust their "civil servants" to treat them like a human being.

If he didn't trust them... then he should have been more careful with them.

This isn't a case of trust as much as it was a case of disregard.

A good distinction, but arising from the same cause.

To be clear, MB ultimately owns his actions on that, but to act like there were no contributing factors isn't fair at all. Cops get to be fearful and trigger happy because of violence toward cops, but citizens can't be disrespectful and disregarding because of mistreatment by cops? Obvious double standard.

Well sure... except for the fact that this particular citizen was disrespectful and disregarding after robbing a convenience store and essentially telling everybody to go stuff it up their ass when he ambled down the middle of the street ignoring a modest police request in the process (say nothing of the fight he provoked).

Why poke the bear thinking it will be patient with you poking it? As multiple people have said: when a cop demands my attention... they get it. What possible good can come from defying a police officer? What type of idiot thinks they can do as they wish ignoring a cop and the cop will simply go away? Is there an effective law force in the world that backs off enforcing the law when they encounter belligerence? Further, what type of idiot thinks getting into a fist fight with a cop and trying to grab their gun is a good plan?

The anti-establishment types would gain a lot of ground rallying around Tamir Rice or another case. Hanging their hats on this one- which really isn't one- makes them look ignorant to reality.

mickeyrat

JimmyV said:

Michael Brown committed a crime minutes before his fatal meeting with the police officer. Arguing he was not a thug or that he had no criminal record seems to ignore that point. There are deep and legitimate problems with the police force in Ferguson, but from get-go Brown was a poor test case to rally around.

while that may be true, and the video is very damning on that note, he was never charged, much less convicted. HE was never even accused . The cop had no knowledge that this was the guy in the store.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lolobugg said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

I think more correctly he is blaming "cops" like you for creating an environment where young people are profiled and don't trust their "civil servants" to treat them like a human being.

If he didn't trust them... then he should have been more careful with them.

This isn't a case of trust as much as it was a case of disregard.

A good distinction, but arising from the same cause.

To be clear, MB ultimately owns his actions on that, but to act like there were no contributing factors isn't fair at all. Cops get to be fearful and trigger happy because of violence toward cops, but citizens can't be disrespectful and disregarding because of mistreatment by cops? Obvious double standard.

Well sure... except for the fact that this particular citizen was disrespectful and disregarding after robbing a convenience store and essentially telling everybody to go stuff it up their ass when he ambled down the middle of the street ignoring a modest police request in the process (say nothing of the fight he provoked).

Why poke the bear thinking it will be patient with you poking it? As multiple people have said: when a cop demands my attention... they get it. What possible good can come from defying a police officer? What type of idiot thinks they can do as they wish ignoring a cop and the cop will simply go away? Is there an effective law force in the world that backs off enforcing the law when they encounter belligerence? Further, what type of idiot thinks getting into a fist fight with a cop and trying to grab their gun is a good plan?

The anti-establishment types would gain a lot of ground rallying around Tamir Rice or another case. Hanging their hats on this one- which really isn't one- makes them look ignorant to reality.

Yeah it was pretty fuckin stupid and it didn't end well for him...or anyone else for that matter.

Ditto on the Tamir Rice... Why Michael Brown? I guess the time and place were right for unrest. It makes sense to me that Ferguson is where it started, it doesn't make sense that it is where it continues.

rr165892

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lolobugg said:

muskydan said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

You guys realize that the ONLY reason this DoJ report came out was because it was determined by EVERYBODY that Wilson was 100% justified in shooting Brown? That they had to go through that department with a fine tooth comb and note EVERYTHING that could be considered racist. Somebody had to "pay" for what happened to Brown even though what happened was 100% HIS FAULT.

If you dug through every organization in the country the way the feds dug into the FPD, my money would be on finding a couple racist people. Somebody had to take the fall.

This is highly sspeculative, and very dismissive of the issues they uncovered...regardless of why they went digging.
They didn't just find "a couple racist people" they found a system-wide problem. Some people wonder why Brown didn't respect authority in Wilson, other people wonder how he could be expected to with such a racist system in place.

So now you are blaming the police and civil society for Little Mikes actions? You hear that?? That's a fart in your general direction. Come on man!!!!

I think more correctly he is blaming "cops" like you for creating an environment where young people are profiled and don't trust their "civil servants" to treat them like a human being.

If he didn't trust them... then he should have been more careful with them.

This isn't a case of trust as much as it was a case of disregard.

A good distinction, but arising from the same cause.

To be clear, MB ultimately owns his actions on that, but to act like there were no contributing factors isn't fair at all. Cops get to be fearful and trigger happy because of violence toward cops, but citizens can't be disrespectful and disregarding because of mistreatment by cops? Obvious double standard.

Well sure... except for the fact that this particular citizen was disrespectful and disregarding after robbing a convenience store and essentially telling everybody to go stuff it up their ass when he ambled down the middle of the street ignoring a modest police request in the process (say nothing of the fight he provoked).

Why poke the bear thinking it will be patient with you poking it? As multiple people have said: when a cop demands my attention... they get it. What possible good can come from defying a police officer? What type of idiot thinks they can do as they wish ignoring a cop and the cop will simply go away? Is there an effective law force in the world that backs off enforcing the law when they encounter belligerence? Further, what type of idiot thinks getting into a fist fight with a cop and trying to grab their gun is a good plan?

The anti-establishment types would gain a lot of ground rallying around Tamir Rice or another case. Hanging their hats on this one- which really isn't one- makes them look ignorant to reality.

Yeah it was pretty fuckin stupid and it didn't end well for him...or anyone else for that matter.

Ditto on the Tamir Rice... Why Michael Brown? I guess the time and place were right for unrest. It makes sense to me that Ferguson is where it started, it doesn't make sense that it is where it continues.

Like that last bit Gambs.

mickeyrat

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/15/police-announce-arrest-in-shooting-of-ferguson-officers.html