Day #127 in a mexican prison

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/04/jailed-marine-back-in-mexican-court/

what a bunch of bullshit......I'll keep the rest to myself....

Godfather.

unsung

There's no political gain for Obama, free someone who brought guns over a border? No way he touches that one. No Dem will, they'd have to defend themselves from those radical anti-gun groups.

Godfather.

unsung said:

There's no political gain for Obama, free someone who brought guns over a border? No way he touches that one. No Dem will, they'd have to defend themselves from those radical anti-gun groups. </blockquote

Pu**y's

Godfather.

brianlux

Yes, the guy does deserve a good translator and good defense and certainly his civil right should not be violated. But I can't help but wonder, how does a trained soldier not know they've entered another country? Entering Mexico with weapons and not knowing where you are? I don't understand how that could happen. What am I missing here?

Notice I'm not slamming any political party including Republican or Democrats or Tea Partyers or Libertarians or Anarchists or Christo-Muslim Neo-Independent Vegans here. :-D

callen

Dumbass crossed into Mexico with a gun.

Gern Blansten

Yeah I don't understand the outrage really....the guy broke the law. He's a dumbass and he'll probably be home soon enough.

rgambs

where did the term "jarhead" come from? Did it come from fellas like this one? Probly not, but it fits pretty well.

rgambs

where did the term "jarhead" come from? Did it come from fellas like this one? Probly not, but it fits pretty well.

Gern Blansten

the "high and tight" haircut is the origin of the term

lukin2006

He entered Mexico with a gun ... now when you enter another country you MUST follow their laws, end of story.

unsung

Like all of the people crossing our southern border, right?

callen

unsung said:

Like all of the people crossing our southern border, right?

Coming to get jobs from is citizens.

callen

unsung said:

Like all of the people crossing our southern border, right?

Coming to get jobs from US citizen.

unsung

lukin2006 said:

He entered Mexico with a gun ... now when you enter another country you MUST follow their laws, end of story.

Again, perhaps mr callen missed this.

mickeyrat

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-marine-months-20140804-story.html

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Amid predictions that a decision in the high-profile case is months away, a second evidentiary hearing was held Monday in Tijuana for a U.S. Marine jailed in Mexico since April 1 on weapons charges.

Both the defense attorney for Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi and the attorney representing Mexican officials who arrested him at the border told reporters that it will be months before the judge makes a decision.


Tahmooressi’s attorney, Fernando Benitez, told reporters that the case would last until November. The attorney for the customs officials, Javier Lopez, estimated it will be even longer: six to eight months.

Reporters were not allowed inside the courtroom of Judge Victor Octavio Luna Escobedo.

Under Mexican law, the judge will decide whether Tahmooressi is guilty after holding several hearings. Weapons charges like those facing Tahmooressi can bring a sentence of seven to 14 years, his attorney said. Sentencing rules do not provide for leniency, he said.

"We need to go for broke in this case," Benitez said. "We need to prove innocence."
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Monday’s hearing allowed Tahmooressi’s attorney to question the Mexican officials who arrested Tahmooressi after he drove across the border with a rifle, shotgun, pistol and hundreds of rounds of ammunition in his pickup truck.

Part of Tahmooressi’s defense is that his rights were violated when officials did not follow procedures under Mexican law, including not providing him with a translator and not promptly notifying the U.S. Consulate.

"The officers believe — and this is what really strikes me — they believe that it’s OK to hold somebody for eight hours under arrest, while they finish up their customs [paper]work," Benitez said. "And it’s not OK.

"They should have … delivered him before the federal prosecutor immediately after discovering the weapons and making the arrest."

But the Mexican officials’ attorney told reporters that the standard protocol was strictly followed the night that Tahmooressi was detained and then arrested.

After the hearing, Tahmooressi, 26, was returned to a federal prison outside Tecate where he is being held without bail in a one-man cell.

His mother, Jill Tahmooressi, who traveled to Tijuana from her home in Florida for the hearing, said that her son has moments of despondency but is trying to remain confident that he will be released.

Tahmooressi, who did two deployments in Afghanistan and is now in the reserves, had moved to San Diego to receive treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder at the Veterans Affairs hospital in La Jolla.

He has consistently said he crossed the border the night of March 31 by mistake, missing the turnoff to remain in the U.S. That story was challenged by Mexican officials when Tahmooressi's explanation that he had never before visited Mexico proved to be untrue.

Mexican officials have said that ignorance of the law against bringing weapons into Mexico is not an excuse.

But Benitez, talking to reporters, disagreed.

"As far as criminal law, this particular crime requires a criminal intent to be present," he said. "This is not a crime that can be committed accidentally. Possession of unauthorized weapons in Mexico needs criminal intent to be considered a crime."

Benitez said no date was set for the next hearing. One issue is likely to be a videotape of the arrest that the judge has ordered brought to court, he said. He said he plans a vigorous case based on the assertion that the search of Tahmooressi's truck was illegal.

"I'm gonna run wild with it," he said.

mickeyrat

Are there degrees of PTSD? Any get bad enough that perhaps allowing personal ownership of weapons should be precluded?

callen

unsung said:

lukin2006 said:

He entered Mexico with a gun ... now when you enter another country you MUST follow their laws, end of story.

Again, perhaps mr callen missed this.

mickeyrat

Apparenty being released soon if found to be suffering from PTSD?


Thought came. This guy had several guns and several hundred rounds of ammo in his truck. Suffering from PTSD. The White House fence jumper had been stopped before that with several guns and several hundred rounds of ammo.

Ummm, everyone is cool with these vets getting ready access to guns and ammo before being treated for PTSD?

unsung

I am not cool with depriving them of their Constitutionally protected rights until they have been deemed a threat to themselves or others. I also find that if that door were opened then it would be open for abuse and the removal of gun rights to all soldiers until they were cleared medically, and given the political climate nowadays I don't sense that clearing them would be an urgency.

You let them serve in active duty while having PTSD, right? I can't say I have seen too many stories of discharge due to it.

oftenreading

mickeyrat, you are correct that there are "degrees" of PTSD. To make the cut for a diagnosis it needs to be fairly severe, with several different symptoms, but even once a diagnosis is made it can range from milder to more severe.

It's always worth remembering that mental illness does not equate to violence, and by far the majority of violence is not committed by people with mental illness. Violence related to mental illness always makes the headlines, and often the media speculate about causes without any real information. I agree in general with unsung about not depriving people of their rights without clear cause. However, if one has to weight the relative importance of people's rights, I would not put someone's "right" to carry guns above all other rights, including what I would see as the right to be cared for if you are ill. It is true that in some cases PTSD can be serious enough to lead to violence; not surprising, since some of the hallmarks include hypervigilance, exaggerated fear responses and flashbacks. I think it would be irresponsible to allow someone who was suffering in this way access to guns, which have the potential to make their situation astronomically worse (if they were to inadvertently hurt or kill someone else, or end up shot by police).

Smellyman

If I had a Nickel for every time I took a wrong turn and ended up in Mexico....Luckily I have never owned a gun.

CM189191

unsung said:

I am not cool with depriving them of their Constitutionally protected rights until they have been deemed a threat to themselves or others. I also find that if that door were opened then it would be open for abuse and the removal of gun rights to all soldiers until they were cleared medically, and given the political climate nowadays I don't sense that clearing them would be an urgency.

You let them serve in active duty while having PTSD, right? I can't say I have seen too many stories of discharge due to it.

Ah yes, the old "better sorry than safe" mantra.

Godfather.

mexico wants money for it's kidnapped victim.....if duhbama offered up some cash those dirt bags would have sent him home already most likely, anybody who has ever spent any time in mexico knows you can get out of pretty much anything for a few bucks.

Godfather.

badbrains

Godfather. said:

mexico wants money for it's kidnapped victim.....if duhbama offered up some cash those dirt bags would have sent him home already most likely, anybody who has ever spent any time in mexico knows you can get out of pretty much anything for a few bucks.

Godfather.

Yup, makes you kind of wonder why no ones helping him ey? Maybe there's more to the story then meets the eye?

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

mexico wants money for it's kidnapped victim.....if duhbama offered up some cash those dirt bags would have sent him home already most likely, anybody who has ever spent any time in mexico knows you can get out of pretty much anything for a few bucks.

Godfather.

Kidnapped? entering their country with weapons in his vehicle, assuming they saw on the seat or felt they had cause to search and then arresting him is kidnapping?
I see. I wonder what ransom demands WE have made for all these kids we are holding.

Staceb10

We can trade high level terrorists for a deserter then we can get him out. But like someone said.. no advantage for Obama to help this guy.

badbrains

Staceb10 said:

We can trade high level terrorists for a deserter then we can get him out. But like someone said.. no advantage for Obama to help this guy.

:-B

mickeyrat

Staceb10 said:

We can trade high level terrorists for a deserter then we can get him out. But like someone said.. no advantage for Obama to help this guy.

Excuse me. Taliban hierarchy werent the ones who committed those acts on sept 11. The were willing to turn al queda over or allow US to come in and get them. Those people were then captured during war with the ruling party of a country we invaded to capture (then decide not to) noncitizens of that country.

This marine BROKE THE LAW of a sovereign neighbor as a CIVILIAN with weapons on or near his person or control while crossing a border into their jurisdiction. I hope he gets the help he needs being diagnosed with PTSD and not refusing said help.

badbrains

mickeyrat said:

Staceb10 said:

We can trade high level terrorists for a deserter then we can get him out. But like someone said.. no advantage for Obama to help this guy.

Excuse me. Taliban hierarchy werent the ones who committed those acts on sept 11. The were willing to turn al queda over or allow US to come in and get them. Those people were then captured during war with the ruling party of a country we invaded to capture (then decide not to) noncitizens of that country.

This marine BROKE THE LAW of a sovereign neighbor as a CIVILIAN with weapons on or near his person or control while crossing a border into their jurisdiction. I hope he gets the help he needs being diagnosed with PTSD and not refusing said help.

Now imagine if it was reversed and it was a MEXICAN crossing the border into the US? That brown skin would be shot on SITE. Let's not kid ourselves.

unsung

Yeah, those thousands that have come over in the border in the last ten months were marched right into the gas chambers.

badbrains

unsung said:

Yeah, those thousands that have come over in the border in the last ten months were marched right into the gas chambers.

I don't think those 10,000 had guns or weapons on them, unless I'm wrong. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.