Liberals are giving Illegals Legal Docs and ACLU still doesn't like it!

EdsonNascimento

http://news.msn.com/us/new-york-creates-id-card-for-all-even-illegal-immigrants

Now you know why our country is so f'd up. I don't mean to use the pujorative in the subject. But, the point is - Agree or disagree - DiBlasio is giving a path to LEGAL identification to people who are currently breaking the law. And the ACLU has issues with it!!!! But, not because people breaking the law are being given legal documents. Because the minimal information (none of it having to do with immigration status) can be used against them (BTW, I also love the part where you can pick your own gender.).

Anyway, we can debate immigration reform forever. That's not the reason I posted this (though I'm sure that's what the thread will become). I just find it funny:

a) As a country we are still trying to bend over backward to give people breaking the law access to legal status without actually, you know, changing the laws they are breaking (again, if the laws change and make what they've done or are doing legal, that's a different conversation. As of this moment, they are breaking the law).

b) The liberals are fighting the liberals to prevent the liberals from granting such access to the detriment of the very people they are tyring to protect (who, BTW, happen to be currently breaking the law - have I mentioned that yet?).

Yikes. And we wonder why our taxes are so high.

callen

A) as a country we don't do anything to the Americans that hire illegals.
we blame the drug not the user.

callen

callen said:

A) as a country we don't do anything to the Americans that hire illegals.
we blame the drug not the user.

C) in Texas you won't find a construction site that doesn't have illegals. All construction companies aren't owned by liberals.

I know it's very easy to blame the desperate humans leaving everything in their homeland to country speaking a foreign language risking life and limb giving every peso and more to get a crossed the boarder but this is misguided putting it politely. This is more an issue for republicans as they benefit from illegals and more playing on insecure racist whites for votes that aligns with strategy against Obama.

rgambs

good point callen

Cosmo

You need to also hold the person who hires guys outside the Home Depot to clear brush and bust up a concrete driveway on his property... if the person he hires is here illegally. If you had your kitchen remodeled... there is a great likelihood that you paid an illegal alien.

EdsonNascimento

callen said:

callen said:

A) as a country we don't do anything to the Americans that hire illegals.
we blame the drug not the user.

C) in Texas you won't find a construction site that doesn't have illegals. All construction companies aren't owned by liberals.

I know it's very easy to blame the desperate humans leaving everything in their homeland to country speaking a foreign language risking life and limb giving every peso and more to get a crossed the boarder but this is misguided putting it politely. This is more an issue for republicans as they benefit from illegals and more playing on insecure racist whites for votes that aligns with strategy against Obama.

There are legal ways to enter our country.

I agree anyone using illegals to work are to blame as much as the illegals. But,t hat's besides the point.

Why would we give legal recognition to them? And why is the ACLU against it?

Debate the changing of immigration laws all you want (I believe there's already a thread for that), but this is about folks breaking the law getting legal recognition and the ACLU not liking it for reasons that protect the law breaker (in theory, at least , I guess, if you're trying to follow their paranoid psychology.).

callen

Cosmo said:

You need to also hold the person who hires guys outside the Home Depot to clear brush and bust up a concrete driveway on his property... if the person he hires is here illegally. If you had your kitchen remodeled... there is a great likelihood that you paid an illegal alien.

Oh yeah and the Mexican restaurant etc etc etc. no one cuts own grass in my neighborhood including Real" Texas conservatives. It's a red hearing. Deflect blame.

callen

EdsonNascimento said:

callen said:

callen said:

A) as a country we don't do anything to the Americans that hire illegals.
we blame the drug not the user.

C) in Texas you won't find a construction site that doesn't have illegals. All construction companies aren't owned by liberals.

I know it's very easy to blame the desperate humans leaving everything in their homeland to country speaking a foreign language risking life and limb giving every peso and more to get a crossed the boarder but this is misguided putting it politely. This is more an issue for republicans as they benefit from illegals and more playing on insecure racist whites for votes that aligns with strategy against Obama.

There are legal ways to enter our country.

I agree anyone using illegals to work are to blame as much as the illegals. But,t hat's besides the point.

Why would we give legal recognition to them? And why is the ACLU against it?

Debate the changing of immigration laws all you want (I believe there's already a thread for that), but this is about folks breaking the law getting legal recognition and the ACLU not liking it for reasons that protect the law breaker (in theory, at least , I guess, if you're trying to follow their paranoid psychology.).

Get what your saying but outrage is misplaced. Also think immigrants should enter legally and we have an efficient worker program just Blaming liberals or the drug is missing the real problem. Demand. Where are the stories of the ones hiring. Both big and small business benefits from cheap labor that has no rights. Democrats are just weak for not pushing this but they will also loose. Follow the money.

EdsonNascimento

callen said:

EdsonNascimento said:

callen said:

callen said:

A) as a country we don't do anything to the Americans that hire illegals.
we blame the drug not the user.

C) in Texas you won't find a construction site that doesn't have illegals. All construction companies aren't owned by liberals.

I know it's very easy to blame the desperate humans leaving everything in their homeland to country speaking a foreign language risking life and limb giving every peso and more to get a crossed the boarder but this is misguided putting it politely. This is more an issue for republicans as they benefit from illegals and more playing on insecure racist whites for votes that aligns with strategy against Obama.

There are legal ways to enter our country.

I agree anyone using illegals to work are to blame as much as the illegals. But,t hat's besides the point.

Why would we give legal recognition to them? And why is the ACLU against it?

Debate the changing of immigration laws all you want (I believe there's already a thread for that), but this is about folks breaking the law getting legal recognition and the ACLU not liking it for reasons that protect the law breaker (in theory, at least , I guess, if you're trying to follow their paranoid psychology.).

No it's not. Blaming liberals is missing the real problem. Demand.

Like I said. I shouldn't have used the pujorative in the subject. I just found it ironic/funny that the ACLU a typically liberal leaning bunch is opposed to this. Thus, the use of the pujorative. But, my broader points have nothing to do with political leanings of anything other than the ACLU itself (and the irony that creates in this instance).

Do you disagree that illegals are currently breaking the law?

Do you think we should give people breaking the law legal means to circumvent that (without changing the actual laws they are breaking)?

Do you not find it at least a little bit funny that the ACLU is involved in the way they are?

I'm not blaming anyone for the illegals issue. That is what it is. But, I do find the whole idea presented here amusing in so many ways.

callen

I think illegals are doing what they can to survive. So what they are doing compared to companies and individuals do by hiring them is insignificant.

I think it's a weak position to blame those that have no power.

callen

And will admit I'm replying to title of your thread not story but title represents what so called conservatives chant. And it pisses me off a bit. Not directed at you.

callen

EdsonNascimento said:

callen said:

EdsonNascimento said:

callen said:

callen said:

A) as a country we don't do anything to the Americans that hire illegals.
we blame the drug not the user.

C) in Texas you won't find a construction site that doesn't have illegals. All construction companies aren't owned by liberals.

I know it's very easy to blame the desperate humans leaving everything in their homeland to country speaking a foreign language risking life and limb giving every peso and more to get a crossed the boarder but this is misguided putting it politely. This is more an issue for republicans as they benefit from illegals and more playing on insecure racist whites for votes that aligns with strategy against Obama.

There are legal ways to enter our country.

I agree anyone using illegals to work are to blame as much as the illegals. But,t hat's besides the point.

Why would we give legal recognition to them? And why is the ACLU against it?

Debate the changing of immigration laws all you want (I believe there's already a thread for that), but this is about folks breaking the law getting legal recognition and the ACLU not liking it for reasons that protect the law breaker (in theory, at least , I guess, if you're trying to follow their paranoid psychology.).

No it's not. Blaming liberals is missing the real problem. Demand.

Like I said. I shouldn't have used the pujorative in the subject. I just found it ironic/funny that the ACLU a typically liberal leaning bunch is opposed to this. Thus, the use of the pujorative. But, my broader points have nothing to do with political leanings of anything other than the ACLU itself (and the irony that creates in this instance).

Do you disagree that illegals are currently breaking the law?

Do you think we should give people breaking the law legal means to circumvent that (without changing the actual laws they are breaking)?

Do you not find it at least a little bit funny that the ACLU is involved in the way they are?

I'm not blaming anyone for the illegals issue. That is what it is. But, I do find the whole idea presented here amusing in so many ways.

Answered you question on my thoughts of amnesty above your post.

EdsonNascimento

callen said:

EdsonNascimento said:

callen said:

callen said:

A) as a country we don't do anything to the Americans that hire illegals.
we blame the drug not the user.

C) in Texas you won't find a construction site that doesn't have illegals. All construction companies aren't owned by liberals.

I know it's very easy to blame the desperate humans leaving everything in their homeland to country speaking a foreign language risking life and limb giving every peso and more to get a crossed the boarder but this is misguided putting it politely. This is more an issue for republicans as they benefit from illegals and more playing on insecure racist whites for votes that aligns with strategy against Obama.

There are legal ways to enter our country.

I agree anyone using illegals to work are to blame as much as the illegals. But,t hat's besides the point.

Why would we give legal recognition to them? And why is the ACLU against it?

Debate the changing of immigration laws all you want (I believe there's already a thread for that), but this is about folks breaking the law getting legal recognition and the ACLU not liking it for reasons that protect the law breaker (in theory, at least , I guess, if you're trying to follow their paranoid psychology.).

Get what your saying but outrage is misplaced. Also think immigrants should enter legally and we have an efficient worker program just Blaming liberals or the drug is missing the real problem. Demand. Where are the stories of the ones hiring. Both big and small business benefits from cheap labor that has no rights. Democrats are just weak for not pushing this but they will also loose. Follow the money.

I'm not outraged. I'm amused.

callen

Right and was not addressing you personally but the Fox anti wetback crowd.