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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048
    Thank goodness! Now I can sell my fuel efficient vehicle and buy a truck, leave all the lights on, stop bothering with recycling, burn my trash, and breeeeeeeeath easier! Halle-fuckin-lujah <:-P

    (Sorry, Godfather, I also <i>had to. :-)) )
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    hahhahhahhahhahahahhh the huge set back to that would be not getting the permits for your bon fires and the rising cost of your utility bills but if you have the money party on my friend !

    Godfather.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048

    hahhahhahhahhahahahhh the huge set back to that would be not getting the permits for your bon fires and the rising cost of your utility bills but if you have the money party on my friend !

    Godfather.

    Funny thing is, my utilities keep going up no matter what I do. And my vehicle insurance went up this year despite both me and said vehicle getting older and a bit squeakier. Haha!

    Now I know I've said many times that we cannot use local weather to talk about global climate but, man oh man, this drought and too many days in the 100's already does temp me to think that way. Bottom line though- the evidence is out there in plenty. Global warming is real and we humans are exacerbating it (thank you spell check!).

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited July 2014
    didn't come up.

    Godfather.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Climate alarmist is "the biggest fraud in the field of science" and the 97% consensus claim is nonsensical, Apollo 7 astronaut Walter Cunningham tells MRCTV in a preview of his presentation at the upcoming Heartland Institute climate conference, July 7-9.

    "Since about 2000, I looked farther and farther into it," Col. Cunningham (USMC, Ret.) tells MRCTV in an exclusive interview. "I found that not one of the claims that the alarmists were making out there had any bearings, whatsoever. And, so, it was kind of a no-brainer to come to the conclusion."

    Cunningham rejects the notion of man-made climate, not only as fact - but also as even qualifying as an actual "theory":

    "In the media, it was being called a theory. Obviously, they didn't know what it means to be a theory."

    "If we go back to the warmist hypothesis - not a theory, but, a hypothesis - they've been saying from the very beginning that carbon dioxide levels are abnormally high, that higher levels of carbon dioxide are bad for humans, and they thought warmer temperatures are bad for our world, and they thought we were able to override natural forces to control the earth's temperature. So, as I've looked into those, that's the problem that I've found, because I didn't find any of those to be correct - and, they certainly were not a theory, it was just their guess at what they wanted to see in the data they were looking at."

    Cunningham urges Americans to look at the data and decide for themselves, instead of taking anyone else's word for it:

    "You go out and take a look at it and you find out that a lot of it is pure nonsense and wishful thinking on the part of the alarmists who are looking for more and more money to fall into their hands."

    "Don't believe it just because your professor said it. You gotta go take a look at it. Go back and look at the history of temperature and carbon dioxide, and you look at the value of carbon dioxide, and how it's a benefit today."


    Astronaut Walter Cunningham in the Apollo era.

    Cunningham notes that, while climate alarmists are concerned that the atmosphere currently contains 400 parts per million of CO2, that's only a tenth of the level his spacecraft had to reach before causing concern. In his Apollo craft, an alarm would go off when CO2 reached 4,000 parts per million and, in today's space shuttle, the trigger is 5,000. And, in submarines where crewmen may be on three-month missions, CO2 has to reach 8,000 parts per million before the alarm is activated.
    "In one area after another, we find these people overly concerned about, one, the danger they're trying to push on us and, secondly, the claim that we can somehow or other control the earth's temperature by affecting it," Cunningham says.

    "I can't say we don't have any impact, at all, but it'd be so miniscule and so tiny, that it wouldn't be worth any effort."

    So, what does dictate the Earth's temperature? Cunningham says it's well-established that "principle controllers" are natural forces like sun, ocean temperature, and even volcanic activity.

    Thus, he calls climate alarmism "the biggest fraud in the field of science":

    "The case is, to me, really, it's laughable to find somebody who claims to be a serious scientist - that he would buy into this. So, I would really question anybody who claims to be a scientist doing this - so, what they do is try to control the nomenclature."

    "To me, it's almost laughable, it's the biggest fraud in the field of science, certainly in my lifetime, maybe the biggest one in centuries."

    "If you go back and you look at the data that has been well-documented over the years, you can look and see, for example, that right now both carbon dioxide and temperature are simultaneously at one of the lowest levels in at least the last 600-800 million years. The last time they were both together at this low a level, more or less, was 300 million years ago, and if you go back go back about 500-600 million years ago, carbon dioxide was 15 times higher than what it is now. So, what I'm getting at is this, the history shows you that most of this is just plain nonsensical today."

    "And, the amazing thing to people like me... is that there are people that believe the nonsense they're being fed."

    The media are largely to blame for public misconceptions - not because they're intentionally misleading the public, but because they "just don't want to go into the time and trouble to find out." "If they do go into it and look at it for themselves, they become a lot more neutral in their presentation," he says.

    Worst of all, Cunningham says, media are promoting the "nonsensical" claim that there's scientific consensus accepting the hypothesis of man-made climate:

    "When they're out propagating this so-called 97% of scientists believe we're controlling the temperature - I mean, that's the most nonsensical, stupid number in the world - and all they have to do is do a little research on Google - I'm not going to do it for them - go in there and take a look and you find out that's a ridiculous statement that people are making - and even the president is makes a statement like that."

    "If you have a totally anonymous survey of real scientists involved in this field, I would almost guarantee you that you going to have a majority that are not going to agree with the alarmists."

    "I can only tell you that, even back in the days of Apollo, we didn't have to face this kind of nonsense," Cunningham concludes.

    Editor's Note: The Heartland Institute's 9th International Conference of Climate Change will be held July 7-9, 2014 in Las Vegas, Nevada.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,044
    Godfather, some climate change deniers believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old. Which is it? 10,000 or millions?

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048
    G.F. Sorry, but with all due respect for the skill involved in what they do, I don't think any astronaut on the planet knows as much as the vast majority of published scientists (that statistic comes from many more sources than one man who went into space) who are convinced global warming is real and is at the very least anthropocentrically exacerbated (gosh, I do love that word!)

    Wait a dog gone minute... am I arguing climate change again. Silly me! hahaha!
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  • JWPearlJWPearl Posts: 19,893
    Its horrible to say it but we are all contributing to global warming by fuel emmissions, deforrestations and wastes etc so we really all need more discipline..
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    brianlux said:

    G.F. Sorry, but with all due respect for the skill involved in what they do, I don't think any astronaut on the planet knows as much as the vast majority of published scientists (that statistic comes from many more sources than one man who went into space) who are convinced global warming is real and is at the very least anthropocentrically exacerbated (gosh, I do love that word!)

    Wait a dog gone minute... am I arguing climate change again. Silly me! hahaha!

    I just find it interesting that all this info for climate change contuninues to surface,I personall have my doubts about man made climate change but I do agree with JWPEARL in that we should be more caring for our planet.

    Godfather.

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048

    brianlux said:

    G.F. Sorry, but with all due respect for the skill involved in what they do, I don't think any astronaut on the planet knows as much as the vast majority of published scientists (that statistic comes from many more sources than one man who went into space) who are convinced global warming is real and is at the very least anthropocentrically exacerbated (gosh, I do love that word!)

    Wait a dog gone minute... am I arguing climate change again. Silly me! hahaha!

    I just find it interesting that all this info for climate change contuninues to surface,I personall have my doubts about man made climate change but I do agree with JWPEARL in that we should be more caring for our planet.

    Godfather.

    For sure, Godfather! It's the only planet we've got. Maybe someday people will go to Mars but to that I say, TTFN (ta-ta for now, haha!)

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  • florence151florence151 Posts: 597

    brianlux said:

    G.F. Sorry, but with all due respect for the skill involved in what they do, I don't think any astronaut on the planet knows as much as the vast majority of published scientists (that statistic comes from many more sources than one man who went into space) who are convinced global warming is real and is at the very least anthropocentrically exacerbated (gosh, I do love that word!)

    Wait a dog gone minute... am I arguing climate change again. Silly me! hahaha!

    I just find it interesting that all this info for climate change contuninues to surface,I personall have my doubts about man made climate change but I do agree with JWPEARL in that we should be more caring for our planet.

    Godfather.

    Even if you don't believe in Global Warming it makes sense to save money. Insulate your house, get a fuel efficient vehicle etc. Less oil used makes the Middle East less important.

    Even Walmart is rushing to be more energy efficient.
    Hold On
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