Who is up for doing some crack?
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I decided to start a new discussion based on some discussion in another tread.
I was wondering what people personal views are on the decriminalization of all drugs?
would decriminalization lead to more people using substance?
would it lead to more violence?
what makes one substance legal while others are illegal?
what should be the role of governments as related to substance use?
what is the role of health care providers be?
are there any questions that people have thought about as relating to substance use and if so ask them here.
also i hope people are not offended by the title of this discussion, just thought it was funny.
I was wondering what people personal views are on the decriminalization of all drugs?
would decriminalization lead to more people using substance?
would it lead to more violence?
what makes one substance legal while others are illegal?
what should be the role of governments as related to substance use?
what is the role of health care providers be?
are there any questions that people have thought about as relating to substance use and if so ask them here.
also i hope people are not offended by the title of this discussion, just thought it was funny.
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But yeah, funny that people think that there will be a run on heroin just because it wasn't declared unlawful to consume at the federal level.
Tried to respond to the others below best I could.
Remember when your kids were hyper and you took them to a park and burned them out. PLAYING! Now I watch mothers push carriages and walk with their toddler hand in hand and they are on the phone. Nothing like having children just to ignore them. Sorry to derail a wee bit, but it ties in with the legal prozak thingy above.
I've had friends that when crack hit Toronto had to try it, just because they liked drugs and it was the "new" one on the street. Some stopped after a couple of kicks at the old can, literally. And others used it for years. Just the way of the world.
As Hedonist said: "if something I currently don't partake of became legal, that wouldn't be cause for me start"
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I think the question of decriminalization vs legalization is the more interesting one.
Do we allow the government a piece of this pie? (well, a legit one, we all know they get their piece covertly under the status quo). People are always quick to sing the glory of taxing pot sales…but most are not open to the government involved in the sale of heroin ……coke for sale at Walgreens horrifies people….but this allows us control of the quality of the drugs, and access to tax dollars from a massive industry. Combined with the savings from the drug war, this money could do a lot of good. But I also would want the money to go almost exclusively into treatment and education – not into the big black hole govt coffers.
If we decriminalize, we avoid the government ineptitude, red tape, corruption, and another tax on the poor. We avoid the silly perception of govt involvement in the trade as support for drug use. But….because decrim turns a blind eye to black market violence, it seems like a cop out to me…washing our hands of the problem. The penalty for a single bad business deal should not be 50 decapitated Mexicans in a back alley. I think we need international regulation to get the violence under control and turn it into a ‘legit’ industry (if there is such a thing). Still makes me wary because of voter apathy and government corruption…but it’s better than the other alternatives.
I support decrim for MJ, but that’s because it’s a plant. If every pot head grew his own, the black market would disappear along with the need for regulation. But it can’t work that way with hard drugs.
Whatever system we come up with, we need more effective systems to deal with addiction. More treatment programs, more mental health facilities, more rehab options, more harm-reduction based education (instead of fear/abstinence based)….and better programs aimed at lifting people out of situations that make them at risk for drug interaction and abuse – adult education, financing, and housing options. I’d like to see purity test kits available so that users know if they’re going to make their heart explode with their regular dose, or if they’re putting strychnine or some shit into their systems (this would be regulated under a legalized system)…. Access to screening for heart conditions and other genetic traits that put casual users at risk….there is a lot of money to be saved, and many options to spend it more effectively than the penal system.
Well, I did not say that. I only stated that it isn't, by the Constitution, the place of the Federal government to decide.
My answer to all four is the same: No!
Godfather.
But yes, the govt is the biggest, most ruthless, and most corrupt gang in town.
Godfather.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
To answer the OPs question, I think they should be legalized and regulated the same way alcohol and tobacco are.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
im in rural iowa, this isn't exactly heroin slums. but i would bet if i could score opium or persian heroin to smoke, i can not say i would not wait in a long line for my serving. i would imagine i would start painting on canvas or whatever as well as keeping up w/ the poetry bit.
over the lightyears those in power-seats have brainwashed the populations of universes far & wide, thin or minute, organism, darkness or bright. fuck a bunch of that. each individual has the free will to do as they wish w/ their own bodies & minds as long as they themselves are not outright damaging others. should a father & mother use heroin? can they control themselves & maintain their work-ethic? should a 12 year old kid say, "heck with it, i'm running away from home, moving to the park w/ the street junkies & i'm going to use crack cocaine" not a good idea.
look at alcohol around the world. if im not mistaken places like europe introduce alcohol to children early & drinking becomes no big deal really & the people are well behaved & often say to american tourists to calm themselves down... this is true, yes? how many driving drunk cases are there across europe? i would guess a very large percentage less than here in the states. i'll try & research these questions. feel free to look them up with me & share your findings
one more thing
the worst drugs, the most ruthlessly addictive substances i have ever used are as follows
cigarettes-nicotine & alcohol
both legal beagel
so research nicotine awhile & discover one of if not the most lethal plant on this planet
one single gram of pure nicotine will instantly kill more people than you'd imagine possible
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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It's ludicrous.