Rob Zombie Says Grunge Killed Rock In The U.S.

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    why do I suspect that if there were hugely successful and popular rock bands today Rob Zombie and his like would be complaining that they are too commercial and corporate rock.

    one could make the argument that the record companies themselves killed rock music (even though I don't think it's true that it's dead).
  • hrd2imgn
    hrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,924
    Rob Zombie's goth image was as corporate whoring as you get, they call them gimmicks, and he was a gimmick. Gimmicks are used to create a pop fad to sell shit, so if anyone was corporate/ commercial is was his gimmick fake blood wearing ass.
  • Mawky1103
    Mawky1103 Posts: 311
    Funny, because he lives in my hometown and I drive by his house once a day at least with usually PJ blasting out of the windows.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    hrd2imgn said:

    Rob Zombie's goth image was as corporate whoring as you get, they call them gimmicks, and he was a gimmick. Gimmicks are used to create a pop fad to sell shit, so if anyone was corporate/ commercial is was his gimmick fake blood wearing ass.

    That really has nothing to do with the points he's making.
  • JV130312
    JV130312 STATE OF LOVE & TRUST Posts: 2,519
    rr165892 said:


    JV,
    You couldn't be more off base.Turn on Octane on Sirius/Xm radio,Get yourself to One of the Monster Energy sponsored Festivals and you will see there is still some insanely good new hard rock being pumped out.Bands that if you see live will blow your mind.Bands like the following...
    Stone Sour
    Shinedown
    Black Stone Cherry(even heard them referred to as Kentucky Garage Grunge)
    We as Human
    Virgin Mary's
    Artic Monkeys
    Pop Evil
    In This Moment
    bullet off my Valentine
    Just to name a few off the top of my head.Plus bands like Sabbath,Papa Roach,Soungarden,QOTSA,Chevelle,Slash,Alterbridge,Deftones,Sevendust,are all putting out great new music.Whats dying is Standard rock Radio to fuel it.W/Xm and Pandora and the like its now different.Not bad but Different.
    Getting back to a Raw sound Of Multi track recording concepts and leaving the new digital enhancements out still gives some new music a classic feel(Think Foo Fighters last album)Ask yourself this ,did the raw nature of how PJ Ten sounded cranked up,sound better then Backspacer and LB loud? He'll Yes ! There is an overproduced Quality to some of the new stuff that is easy to spot(Thanks B.O'Brien) that old stuff that producers like Butch Vig or new retro recording that Grohl is using like on the Sound City stuff that don't even compare.

    I listen to Octane...and to be honest, it's not even in the same ball park as Lithium. Not even remotely close. I'll give you Stone Sour...they are decent, but none of that is at the level of Soundgarden, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Foo, etc. That stuff on Octane is decent...but it's far, far, far, far from the level Rock once was.
    I Know All The Rules But The Rules Do Not Know Me.
  • cydonia
    cydonia Denbighshire, North Wales , UK Posts: 456
    Grunge was just a label the record companies used and manipulated to sell a scene where most bands were just hard rock. Alice in chains , soundgarden , screaming trees and pearl jam have a legacy and influence still today, while the glam rock bands faded away. Whatever the band whether poison or even extreme they still have a fan base and music means something still to there fans. Musics music whether TInariwen from the Sahara or burning spear from Jamaica it's a division that doesn't need to be there. Grunge didn't kill rock because it never existed , it's just an illusion created by corporations.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,889
    I would also like to note that I think things like protools hurt people that really can sing as well. Most of my favorite bands have great singers with a great/fantasic set of pipes, yet that all sound different. One of the things I found that I don't like with modern rock music is the lack of vocals as the driving instrument. They seem to get muddled in the mix and I think thats one of the reasons I don't dig modern rock all that much. Someone mentioned all the cool hard rock music on Octane. When I play that station they all sound the same too me....

    I don't think the Seattle Era killed rock, but I do think it was the last great era for Rock.

    There was great non-glam music in the 80s. Metallica kicked ass right up to Black alum in the 90s. Gun's roses exploded with Appetite and the Lies ep was this cool half live/half acoustic album. U2 put out their best two albums at the end of the 80s, beginning of the 90s. Tom Petty had a resurgence at the turn of that decade. Rock music was still going strong when the Seattle bands got big. Great era for Rock....

    Unless rock experiences a resurgence, I do fear that when I'm an old man, rock music will be old peoples music... lol
  • TJ25487
    TJ25487 Posts: 1,501
    PJ_Soul said:

    There is a shit load of bad music out there and shit load of amazing music out there..... seems to me that's how it's always been. No probs there. The only thing to be concerned about is what someone else mentioned: the incredible numbers of people who are uninspired enough to be into the bad music and not bothered enough to even be able to find out what amazing music they are missing just because it's not all over the radio and TV.

    What Rob Zombie said is just dumb. Why would anyone mourn what was lost from the rock scene in the late 80s? That shit pretty much ruined itself. No reason to blame the grunge era. I think rock is in better shape now than it was right before PJ and Nirvana, AIC, SG, etc came along, and that era might have actually saved music, considering the direction it was taking right before that.

    This.

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