America's Gun Violence

josevolution

Bentleyspop said:

     

https://twitter.com/ThisIsOurLane/status/1075008342475579392?s=19

Where are gun advocates from here the Pearl Jam fans that love themselves their weapons ..

Meltdown99

Trump banned bump stocks...

tbergs

Bentleyspop said:

     

https://twitter.com/ThisIsOurLane/status/1075008342475579392?s=19

That is quite intriguing. The original 13 colonies are representing pretty well. It seems we need to build a wall along the Mississippi River to keep those violent eastern US states out of the west side.

PJPOWER

tbergs said:

Bentleyspop said:

     

https://twitter.com/ThisIsOurLane/status/1075008342475579392?s=19

That is quite intriguing. The original 13 colonies are representing pretty well. It seems we need to build a wall along the Mississippi River to keep those violent eastern US states out of the west side.

I’d be okay with that, lol

mace1229

tbergs said:

Bentleyspop said:

     

https://twitter.com/ThisIsOurLane/status/1075008342475579392?s=19

That is quite intriguing. The original 13 colonies are representing pretty well. It seems we need to build a wall along the Mississippi River to keep those violent eastern US states out of the west side.

The shooting map looks just like a population density map, so its exactly what i would predict.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

Bentleyspop said:

     

https://twitter.com/ThisIsOurLane/status/1075008342475579392?s=19

That is quite intriguing. The original 13 colonies are representing pretty well. It seems we need to build a wall along the Mississippi River to keep those violent eastern US states out of the west side.

The shooting map looks just like a population density map, so its exactly what i would predict.

More people more deaths? Agreed.

More guns more death by guns? Agreed.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

Bentleyspop said:

     

https://twitter.com/ThisIsOurLane/status/1075008342475579392?s=19

That is quite intriguing. The original 13 colonies are representing pretty well. It seems we need to build a wall along the Mississippi River to keep those violent eastern US states out of the west side.

The shooting map looks just like a population density map, so its exactly what i would predict.

More people more deaths? Agreed.

More guns more death by guns? Agreed.

Maybe, but I know there are a TON of firearms (I would guess a much higher ownership ratio than in eastern states) in NM, TX panhandle, Wyoming, and many other central locations.  Dense populations seem to over represent.  

PJPOWER

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

HesCalledDyer

I think the people on that commission need to get an education. Preferably from teachers who teach, not weapons specialists.

my2hands

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

Fuck these assholes. The apocalypse is upon us folks... 13-1 vote??? This pisses me off. 

Did anybody ask the fucking kids what they think???

Bentleyspop

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

How about arming teachers with the things they really need. Like new books, working equipment,  modern school supplies, etc

PJPOWER

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

How about arming teachers with the things they really need. Like new books, working equipment,  modern school supplies, etc

It is a little misleading, as they are not “arming teachers”, but “allowing teachers to be armed” if they volunteer instead.  Wonder how many volunteers they will have.

HesCalledDyer

PJPOWER said:

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

How about arming teachers with the things they really need. Like new books, working equipment,  modern school supplies, etc

It is a little misleading, as they are not “arming teachers”, but “allowing teachers to be armed” if they volunteer instead.  Wonder how many volunteers they will have.

Who is making sure the "volunteers" have gone through the proper training and are mentally stable enough to handle the responsibility of a weapon around children?  Are these "volunteers" educating and training other teachers, administrators, & staff on the risks & safety protocols of carrying weapons around innocent and unarmed children? Are they educating the students about it?  And are they doing it on their own time with their own money? You elect to carry, fine (not really, but it seems there is no getting over this fucking hard-on Americans have for guns)..  But definitely don't make it the burden of tax payers.  Public funding should go to education, not armament.

HesCalledDyer

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

Fuck these assholes. The apocalypse is upon us folks... 13-1 vote??? This pisses me off. 

Did anybody ask the fucking kids what they think???

The kids opinions have been voiced with the many protests they've assembled.  Parents and administrators basically just said "we don't give a fuck what you kids think" with this ruling.  Pathetic and sad.

Spiritual_Chaos

PJPOWER said:

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

How about arming teachers with the things they really need. Like new books, working equipment,  modern school supplies, etc

It is a little misleading, as they are not “arming teachers”, but “allowing teachers to be armed” if they volunteer instead.  Wonder how many volunteers they will have.

Why would a country let it find itself in a position to having to have firearms in schools.

PJPOWER

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

How about arming teachers with the things they really need. Like new books, working equipment,  modern school supplies, etc

It is a little misleading, as they are not “arming teachers”, but “allowing teachers to be armed” if they volunteer instead.  Wonder how many volunteers they will have.

Who is making sure the "volunteers" have gone through the proper training and are mentally stable enough to handle the responsibility of a weapon around children?  Are these "volunteers" educating and training other teachers, administrators, & staff on the risks & safety protocols of carrying weapons around innocent and unarmed children? Are they educating the students about it?  And are they doing it on their own time with their own money? You elect to carry, fine (not really, but it seems there is no getting over this fucking hard-on Americans have for guns)..  But definitely don't make it the burden of tax payers.  Public funding should go to education, not armament.

I don’t know the answers to all of these questions, but they are legit questions that were hopefully addressed.  The article did mention a training program, but that is all I’ve seen so far.  I’m sure there will be more details to come.

PJPOWER

HesCalledDyer said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

Fuck these assholes. The apocalypse is upon us folks... 13-1 vote??? This pisses me off. 

Did anybody ask the fucking kids what they think???

The kids opinions have been voiced with the many protests they've assembled.  Parents and administrators basically just said "we don't give a fuck what you kids think" with this ruling.  Pathetic and sad.

There were several kids asking for teachers to be armed too, but they weren’t in the spotlight as much as the other crew.  It is the administration’s job to make these decisions regardless of what the kids or you think would be the best solution.  I’m sure they heard all kinds of arguments as to what differences people think they should do and hopefully communicated with professionals in this area.  

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

How about arming teachers with the things they really need. Like new books, working equipment,  modern school supplies, etc

It is a little misleading, as they are not “arming teachers”, but “allowing teachers to be armed” if they volunteer instead.  Wonder how many volunteers they will have.

Why would a country let it find itself in a position to having to have firearms in schools.

The comical thing (if it wasn't so saddening) is the fact that the problem is not getting better- it's getting worse. The US seems to be a sucker for punishment. I mean, if they aren't electing a complete moron as their president... they're enacting laws that defy logic and common sense.

The gun epidemic is screaming for remedies (as are the country's concerned citizens) and instead, the problem is worsened. I could almost guarantee that- over the next ten years of any country arming their teachers- the lives saved by a Rambo teacher taking down an armed intruder will not come close to the innocent lives taken with the guns intended for 'good' use. 

Teachers can be irrational and emotional as well. There are countless teacher-student, teacher-teacher, teacher-parent, and teacher-administrator interactions which could have the potential to evoke an emotional and irrational response leading to violence. 

There are countless scenarios far more probable than an armed intruder incident. Off the top of my head, what if some student steals it and uses it on some other students or staff members?

I would never send my kids to a school where its teachers are armed. There is already a high degree of trust given to the school system with our children. No two or three week training course is going to steady the nerves of some poindexter trained in history, mathematics, art, language, or whatever. Get serious. 

HesCalledDyer

Well said, Thirty!

Meltdown99

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Bentleyspop said:

PJPOWER said:

Just going to leave this here and run for the hills...
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stoneman-douglas-commission-votes-arming-teachers/

How about arming teachers with the things they really need. Like new books, working equipment,  modern school supplies, etc

It is a little misleading, as they are not “arming teachers”, but “allowing teachers to be armed” if they volunteer instead.  Wonder how many volunteers they will have.

Why would a country let it find itself in a position to having to have firearms in schools.

The comical thing (if it wasn't so saddening) is the fact that the problem is not getting better- it's getting worse. The US seems to be a sucker for punishment. I mean, if they aren't electing a complete moron as their president... they're enacting laws that defy logic and common sense.

The gun epidemic is screaming for remedies (as are the country's concerned citizens) and instead, the problem is worsened. I could almost guarantee that- over the next ten years of any country arming their teachers- the lives saved by a Rambo teacher taking down an armed intruder will not come close to the innocent lives taken with the guns intended for 'good' use. 

Teachers can be irrational and emotional as well. There are countless teacher-student, teacher-teacher, teacher-parent, and teacher-administrator interactions which could have the potential to evoke an emotional and irrational response leading to violence. 

There are countless scenarios far more probable than an armed intruder incident. Off the top of my head, what if some student steals it and uses it on some other students or staff members?

I would never send my kids to a school where its teachers are armed. There is already a high degree of trust given to the school system with our children. No two or three week training course is going to steady the nerves of some poindexter trained in history, mathematics, art, language, or whatever. Get serious. 

I agree, let also no forget some teachers have nervous breakdowns.  Do you want a teacher on the brink of a breakdown with a gun...yikes?

I worked 25 years in schools and come across a few teachers that ended in the board office because they could no longer deal with kids.  And I'm sure I do not have to you this, even teachers with the most patients can get upset as well.