America's Gun Violence

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited August 2018
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    And where just about anyone can get a gun. Even two if they prefer.

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  • josevolution
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    Jacksonville shooting suspect underwent psychiatric treatment, bought guns legally - Baltimore Sun https://apple.news/Abah7veo9Q5uoj3D476KsDw
    Great country can’t help the mentally unstable but no problem buying guns !
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  • PJPOWER
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    edited August 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

    yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

    yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
    I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Heaven forbid that people might be governed competently. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

    yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
    I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.
    I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

    I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

    "too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

    I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

    yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
    I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.
    I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

    I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

    "too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

    I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 
    Yeah, I was a bit surprised by the infant mortality rate as well, but again, there are so many factors that could be contributed when comparing such vastly different countries in terms of population and cultural diversity.  If I was going to research it, I would probably start by getting stats related to the causes of death. I am all about helping people along that truly need it, but do not want to live in a welfare state (which Sweden is often referred to).

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

    yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
    I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.
    I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

    I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

    "too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

    I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 

    Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited August 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

    What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

    Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests? 60% as a matter of fact.

    I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?

    But I guess 11 dead per 100.000 by gun deaths is better than 1.6 in this freedom of yours.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

    What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

    Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

    I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
    what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2018
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

    yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
    I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.
    I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

    I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

    "too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

    I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 

    Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
    I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations.  There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • Meltdown99
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    America is a violent society.  It should be obvious as day and night.  They are worshipping a war monger this week?? That tells a lot about their way of thinking...
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

    What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

    Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

    I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
    what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 
    Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

    But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

     
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited August 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

    yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
    I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.
    I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

    I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

    "too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

    I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 

    Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
    I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations.  There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.
    Are you absolutely sure about that, or is this just what you're taught to believe? Because I don't believe that to be true. 

    Edit: Unless your "dream" is to become a mass shooter. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited August 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

    yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
    I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.
    I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

    I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

    "too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

    I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 

    Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
    I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations.  There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.
    You have really been drinking the koolaid. 

    What opportunities to "follow your dream" exist in the US that doesn't exist in Sweden? What dreams are you following?

    Right now, you are like a caricature of the "I love my country, because my country is all I know" american :)
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

    What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

    Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

    I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
    what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 
    Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

    But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

     
    I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.

    I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited August 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

    What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

    Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

    I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
    what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 
    Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

    But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

     
    I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.

    I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house. 
    Well that is a comparison for 32 treatable things, and Sweden is a better place to be treated for those things than the US. If you don't want to die. Or go bankrupt. But yes, for some things you have to wait, but not in a "Fox news reported" kind of way. And it is something being debated right now in Sweden (election here in mid September)
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 1.60

    In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
    2015: 11.30

    LAND 
    OF
    THE 
    FREE
    Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

    http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden


    Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

    What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

    Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

    I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
    what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 
    Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

    But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

     
    I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.

    I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house. 
    Really only those who go bankrupt are those without insurance.
    I hate our system, so I'm not saying its great. But no one with insurance pays 100k in medical bills. Most plans have a max out of pocket in the 5-10k range (meaning after 5k the insurance pays for all the bills), and hospitals will work with you to pay that off in installments if needed. 
    My biggest complaint is with our cost of monthly premiums, everything should be free. We could probably run socialized medicine with just the cost of our premiums, and not have to pay $3,000 for a hospital visit on top of that.
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