America's Gun Violence
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I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.Halifax2TheMax said:Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”
‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.
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I know there is at least one NRA member on this forum, and probably more, so to me that means they are indeed here to answer for themselves, if they so choose.dudeman said:
Why does it matter? It matters because, as far as I can tell, you are questioning the NRA. They're not here to answer for themselves so are you expecting some random Pearl Jam fan to speak on their behalf?Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.dudeman said:
Is the NRA participating in this thread?Halifax2TheMax said:
Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.dudeman said:Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?
It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.
Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.dudeman said:
Is the NRA participating in this thread?Halifax2TheMax said:
Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.dudeman said:Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?
It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.
Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
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What was the initial confrontation regarding? Tough guy with a gun feels its his place to enforce parking regulations. Victim takes offense to the tough guy with a gun harrassing his wife or girlfriend. Tough guy with gun gets pushed down. Tough guy with gun shoots the guy defending his wife or girlfriend. Tough guy with gun is not parking enforcement and should shut the fuck up. Welcome to 'Murica where anyone with a gun can be a tough guy and selectively enforce rules and regulations, even encourage a confrontation so they can "legally" shoot someone. Just explain it away.mace1229 said:
I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.Halifax2TheMax said:Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”
‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.
He killed someone in a parking space dispute. But police say he just stood his ground. - Vox https://apple.news/A08tYk4JTSy2iZMvdqVoWFg
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Only in this fucked up country can we justify the shooting of someone because the other person shoved you to the ground. Was it stupid behavior, yes, but what kind of coward walks around with a gun and decides they need to shoot someone because they were pushed to the ground? I am not going to defend the poor decision of the person who was shot here or the stupid statement by his wife about her right to park anywhere she wants, but none of that justifies being shot.mace1229 said:
I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.Halifax2TheMax said:Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”
‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
mace1229 said:
I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.Halifax2TheMax said:Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”
‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense."Self defense".... He got shoved to the fucking ground. Get back up and shove back. Your fucking life isn't threatened.This justification is fucking asinine.Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 250 -
mace1229 said:
I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.Halifax2TheMax said:Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”
‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.
No way, man.
There were several things the guy could have done including what I think would be extreme: pulling your weapon out and warning the guy to back off.
This murder is the result of a chicken shit worm feeling tougher than he actually was because he had a gun. He stuck his nose into other people's business and got 'tuff' because he knew he had a gun and was prepared to use it.
As far as I'm concerned he picked the fight and he baited the guy... got shoved to the ground because he was a chicken shit worm... and then had his reason to fire a lethal hole into the guy and end his life. He was likely looking forward to the moment.
And Florida is as backwards as everybody jokes if they actually see this as a legitimate reason to kill a man.
Hyuck Hyuck Florida.
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I only saw the clip for the first time this morning. I think he was an older guy. He shouldn’t be expected to stand up and shove back.
Im glad he said something about the parking space. There were plenty of non handicapped spaces and she should have been called out, he shouldn’t have to mind his own business. Now how he confronted her I don’t know, but I haven’t read anything that suggests it was threatening.
I’m not saying he should have shot him. Just that I could believe him that he was in fear for his life. And really that’s all that matters in this case. An older man like he was would have just gotten beaten for getting up. He did not just push him down and walk away, the video clearly shows him continuing to approach while he was on the ground. I’m not convinced the guy wasn’t planning on beating him some more on the ground.0 -
47 years old. It's not like he was a geriatric patient.
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Well, he did have that 3rd "arm" holstered on his side, so a bit of a genetic mutant.HesCalledDyer said:47 years old. It's not like he was a geriatric patient.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
This is one of the main problems with people walking around with guns in America. What would almost certainly have been a regular old scuffle or fist fight between a couple of bone heads over a parking space in any other Western nation turned into a shooting death.
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Yep. And then we have people defending why it's "okay."PJ_Soul said:This is one of the main problems with people walking around with guns in America. What would almost certainly have been a regular old scuffle or fist fight between a couple of bone heads over a parking space in any other Western nation turned into a shooting death.
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Stand Your Ground is working exactly as it was intended to. To exactly what it was intended to do it to. For exactly who it was intended for.
And now, if you're black in Florida, you have to be aware that someone might try to start something with just so they can shoot you.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Even if you want to argue the he felt "threatened" claim, watch the video again and see where the victim's hands are and then what happens as the other guy starts to draw a gun. The victim immediately starts backing away when he sees what the man is doing and a bystander in the background gets the hell out of the way. The only way this could be worse is if the victim had actually turned around. If this man was in fear, than he should be confined to his house for life. It's reckless use and murder.mace1229 said:I only saw the clip for the first time this morning. I think he was an older guy. He shouldn’t be expected to stand up and shove back.
Im glad he said something about the parking space. There were plenty of non handicapped spaces and she should have been called out, he shouldn’t have to mind his own business. Now how he confronted her I don’t know, but I haven’t read anything that suggests it was threatening.
I’m not saying he should have shot him. Just that I could believe him that he was in fear for his life. And really that’s all that matters in this case. An older man like he was would have just gotten beaten for getting up. He did not just push him down and walk away, the video clearly shows him continuing to approach while he was on the ground. I’m not convinced the guy wasn’t planning on beating him some more on the ground.
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How about this option....
Get up, turn around, walk away
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So many options. None used because this idiot was not backing down given he was carrying a testosterone injector.Bentleyspop said:How about this option....
Get up, turn around, walk away
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Poor little guy. Got tough with a lady. A man shoved him to the ground as if he was a toddler... but look who had the last laugh.
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People trying to justify this shooting are fucking ridiculous0
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This should make true American patriots extremely happy....
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Florida is a fucked state. Avoid at all costs
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Yup.Smellyman said:Florida is a fucked state. Avoid at all costs09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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