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Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,045
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Maybe there really is a god?

Good riddance.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    sorry i did not see that you had already posted this before i posted my thread...

    yeah good riddance. i totally agree with you there.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,045
    No worries! I love how the GOP is eating their own. We may just be witnessing the destruction of Turd Blossom's Republican Party and their guarantee of not holding national office for a few election cycles.

    The more threads on this the merrier!

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    call me crazy, but i would like to see the gop actually try to lead and pass legislation. i mean, you can only spend so many years stalling, blocking, and opposing things just because the socialist president kind of sort of supports it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,045
    I hear you on that but with this bunch and because of this president, and not for his policies mind you, it will never happen. Let's not forget what the republican strategy, publicly declared, was the day after he was elected or sworn in. "Our number one priority is to see this president fail." Stated after Obama won a majority popular vote of 4 million plus and in the throes of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. That's not leadership, that's fear. Fuck them. And people wonder why he didn't inform Congress before authorizing the deal to release Bergdalh?

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    congress, along party lines, would not have approved the deal for bowe. obama knows this. the republicans can never allow anything to happen that will allow the black president to look like he is doing something good. obamacare anyone??
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Politics are stupid. Why we as a people put up with this is a real mystery to me. I guess it's because the majority of us are stupid too.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    call me crazy, but i would like to see the gop actually try to lead and pass legislation. i mean, you can only spend so many years stalling, blocking, and opposing things just because the socialist president kind of sort of supports it.


    I like the roadblocks, from both sides. Bipartisan bills only mean more spending, more borrowing, more war, less liberty. Gridlock is fun.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    congress, along party lines, would not have approved the deal for bowe. obama knows this. the republicans can never allow anything to happen that will allow the black president to look like he is doing something good. obamacare anyone??


    It was the wrong move to make.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Say what you want about the Tea Party, but they are about the only factor in term limits nowaday.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    call me crazy, but i would like to see the gop actually try to lead and pass legislation. i mean, you can only spend so many years stalling, blocking, and opposing things just because the socialist president kind of sort of supports it.


    I like the roadblocks, from both sides. Bipartisan bills only mean more spending, more borrowing, more war, less liberty. Gridlock is fun.
    As I'm somewhat of a physical conservative glad for some tea party views.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited June 2014
    Jason P said:

    Say what you want about the Tea Party, but they are about the only factor in term limits nowadays.


    I'm always happy when any entrenched politician gets booted.

    Nancy Pelosi and John McCain can be next in my book. Charlie Rangel is in trouble for sure.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    congress, along party lines, would not have approved the deal for bowe. obama knows this. the republicans can never allow anything to happen that will allow the black president to look like he is doing something good. obamacare anyone??


    It was the wrong move to make.
    so are you saying you would rather have the guy who fought on your behalf still over there as a captive?

    personally, i could not give any less of a fuck about the circumstances under which he was captured, but i will always favor bringing these guys home at any cost. they should have never, ever been there in the first place.

    who's side are you on? do you support your fellow countrymen who make sacrifices or are you indifferent?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Out of Cantor's $5.5M he spent on the campaign, records show he spent $168,637 at two steak houses ... his opponent, Brat, spent $122,793 on his entire campaign.

    That's some funny shit.

    Odd trivia ... Brat and his democrat challenger, Jack Trammel, are both professors at the same college.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,946
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    congress, along party lines, would not have approved the deal for bowe. obama knows this. the republicans can never allow anything to happen that will allow the black president to look like he is doing something good. obamacare anyone??


    It was the wrong move to make.
    so are you saying you would rather have the guy who fought on your behalf still over there as a captive?

    personally, i could not give any less of a fuck about the circumstances under which he was captured, but i will always favor bringing these guys home at any cost. they should have never, ever been there in the first place.

    who's side are you on? do you support your fellow countrymen who make sacrifices or are you indifferent?
    Several high level individuals (Leon Panetta, Hilary Clinton, others) did not take the deal when presented earlier. Were they considered indifferent?

    I wouldn't want to leave a soldier behind and I don't think anyone does. I think we can agree that at some point there is a deal that can't be agreed too. For example, I doubt that the US would agree to send 100 enemy combatants in exchange for 1 soldier, or exchange a nuke. Those are extreme examples but are meant to indicate that there is a line on what deal works and what won't.

    Ultimately, the opinions that matter are the solders as they are the ones risking their lives to find Bowe and capture the Taliban leaders, and will be the ones that have to risk their lives to defend against the Taliban leaders released. I don't think I am qualified to give an opinion.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    unsung said:

    Jason P said:

    Say what you want about the Tea Party, but they are about the only factor in term limits nowadays.


    I'm always happy when any entrenched politician gets booted.

    Nancy Pelosi and John McCain can be next in my book. Charlie Rangel is in trouble for sure.
    Anyone thats been in office for over ten years has had enough time to make their impact and should be barred from re-election.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    edited June 2014
    Jason P said:

    unsung said:

    Jason P said:

    Say what you want about the Tea Party, but they are about the only factor in term limits nowadays.




    I'm always happy when any entrenched politician gets booted.

    Nancy Pelosi and John McCain can be next in my book. Charlie Rangel is in trouble for sure.
    Anyone thats been in office for over ten years has had enough time to make their impact and should be barred from re-election.
    Totally agree with both of you & unsung
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    recently israel released over 1000 palestinian and islamic prisoners in exchange for 1 israeli soldier.

    just saying...

    1000 for one guy.

    and you guys are saying we got the shit end on this deal. you should be ashamed of yourselves. all of you.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,946
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    recently israel released over 1000 palestinian and islamic prisoners in exchange for 1 israeli soldier.

    just saying...

    1000 for one guy.

    and you guys are saying we got the shit end on this deal. you should be ashamed of yourselves. all of you.

    I never said we got the shit end of the deal. I understand that suicide is a huge issue in the military and so I am not going to judge Bowe for deserting as like I said only a soldier can understand the mental challenges of war.

    You were ripping on someone in this thread and I was pointing out that the deal was on the table and a lot of liberals (Panetta, Obama) said no several times and no one is ripping on them and calling them indifferent. Bowe could have died before Obama changed his mind.

    You act like people here wanted Bowe to stay in captivity. People will likely die due to the release of those five Taliban leaders (what about those people?). The world isn't always black and white and you shouldn't demonize people for tough decisions that even the leader of the free world was on both sides of at one point.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    you can not say that there are not people out there who say that they would have let him stay in captivity. there are some hateful assholes in conservative media who say he should still be in captivity. and no doubt there are people on here who believe that as well.

    they said obama was shown a recent proof of life video showing the soldier in poor health and looking as if he has been starved and beaten. perhaps that video is what made him change his mind. john mccain was a pow who was traded back to us in a prisoner exchange. as much as i despise mccain, i believe we should have made that trade. fact is, these haters in the media saying he should still be over there do not know the facts of the situation. bring him home and let him face a CM. but for fucks sakes bring him home.

    you mention panetta. panetta is not a liberal. he served under bush and was retained by obama.

    you say people will die as a result of these 5 being released. i say more people will die the more we expand our empire in the middle east. 9/11 happened because bin laden did not want our military over there. we left them there and we got hit. it is as simple as that. if we for once did the right fucking thing and pulled out of the middle east we would not have a target on our backs.

    i am not demonizing someone over the decision making process. i am demonizing those that are trying the person in the media based on opinion pieces and media reports stating he should have never been released. if any american would leave another american in a foreign country as a pow, they are an asshole. period.

    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    So I live in the VA 7th and am a Democrat. Everyone in this district hated Cantor, even Republicans. Second, a lot of my Dem friends went out and voted against Cantor. That's not been reported very heavily in the news but it is absolutely true. Was that enough to tip it? Who knows but I know we all felt we had a better chance in the general against Brat than Cantor.

    Interestingly, my father in law teaches Economics at Randolph Macon, therefore works right with Bratt. He said he is a nice guy, very smart but CRRRRAAAAAZZZYYY about immigration. My father in law is a traditional Rockefeller Republican and I know he won't be voting for Brat. The opponent is also a RM professor. The little 1200 person school is getting lots of publicity.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,946
    gimmesometruth27 said:



    you mention panetta. panetta is not a liberal. he served under bush and was retained by obama.

    I think you are confusing Gates with Panetta. Panetta was Bill Clinton's chief of staff back in the day.

    I won't disagree that our foreign policy sucks sometimes.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Jason P said:

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    I'm not sure the Crazy Cooter letter did anything to be honest. But it was funny.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

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    I'm not sure the Crazy Cooter letter did anything to be honest. But it was funny.
    Probably not but it isn't a bad strategy to uproot a powerful opponent. It appears the Democrat challenger was put out there as pretty much cannon fodder so I doubt they would resort to such tactics when they already put up the surrender flag (a flag they are quickly trying to modify).

    I think the tea party came out strong and voted when most everyone didn't even realize a primary was occuring. Any Cantor supporters figured it was in the bag and probably didn't even bother voting.

    Either way it should be interesting. Now you have an election between two people that a week ago each figured they had a bazillion in one chance of winning. I bet they are both crapping their pants just a little.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    mrussel1 said:

    So I live in the VA 7th and am a Democrat. Everyone in this district hated Cantor, even Republicans. Second, a lot of my Dem friends went out and voted against Cantor. That's not been reported very heavily in the news but it is absolutely true. Was that enough to tip it? Who knows but I know we all felt we had a better chance in the general against Brat than Cantor.

    Interestingly, my father in law teaches Economics at Randolph Macon, therefore works right with Bratt. He said he is a nice guy, very smart but CRRRRAAAAAZZZYYY about immigration. My father in law is a traditional Rockefeller Republican and I know he won't be voting for Brat. The opponent is also a RM professor. The little 1200 person school is getting lots of publicity.



    Immigration is getting out of hand right now. These kids that they just let in cost us $250/day each. Where is this money coming from?

    And Brat isn't against immigration from what I have seen, he is against illegal immigration. I'm still amazed that supposed scholars , both liberal and neocon, can't find the difference between the two.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    unsung said:

    mrussel1 said:

    So I live in the VA 7th and am a Democrat. Everyone in this district hated Cantor, even Republicans. Second, a lot of my Dem friends went out and voted against Cantor. That's not been reported very heavily in the news but it is absolutely true. Was that enough to tip it? Who knows but I know we all felt we had a better chance in the general against Brat than Cantor.

    Interestingly, my father in law teaches Economics at Randolph Macon, therefore works right with Bratt. He said he is a nice guy, very smart but CRRRRAAAAAZZZYYY about immigration. My father in law is a traditional Rockefeller Republican and I know he won't be voting for Brat. The opponent is also a RM professor. The little 1200 person school is getting lots of publicity.



    Immigration is getting out of hand right now. These kids that they just let in cost us $250/day each. Where is this money coming from?

    And Brat isn't against immigration from what I have seen, he is against illegal immigration. I'm still amazed that supposed scholars , both liberal and neocon, can't find the difference between the two.
    He is against a path to citizenship for existing illegal immigrants and the children. So yes, it's illegal immigration, but he is in the camp of 'send them back', including the children. You may not see this on his website, but like I said, my father in law teaches with him and has known him since he joined the college in 96.

    As far as no one knowing there was a primary and then tea party flooding the zone, that was absolutely NOT the case. There were signs all over Henrico (by far the biggest part of the district) for Cantor and Brat. You couldn't drive around without knowing there was a primary happening.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    They should be sent back, at least these new ones flooding in the past year.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    http://benswann.com/dave-brat-a-libertarian-his-23-year-old-campaign-manager-is-and-the-media-isnt-happy/
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    unsung said:

    They should be sent back, at least these new ones flooding in the past year.

    And the other ones? The ones here 10 years? And their children?

  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    unsung said:

    http://benswann.com/dave-brat-a-libertarian-his-23-year-old-campaign-manager-is-and-the-media-isnt-happy/

    Let the smear campaign begin! On a bias scale of 1 - 10, this is a 9. He makes comments and the article spins it into other peoples opinions and makes it look like he said it. And the "journalist" makes it like agreeing with a libertarian ideal is the equivilant of satan worshiping.

    Also, another good reason to never use Facebook.
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