Oh Look Some Bundy Ranchers Did A Vegas Spree Killing, For Freedom

Guitar92player

unsung said:

Well, it would rule out many Democrats too. So, I'm guessing everyone would have a problem with it.

Of course I firmly believe everyone should be able to defend themselves.

yes, but not not everyone can. Some people are not mentally capable to own weapons, and we as Americans need to acknowledge that and help those who are like that.

Jason P

What I don't understand is why the neighbors who claim the couple always talked about going on a cop shooting spree aren't taking any heat from the cops or public. Shouldn't you take some liability for not alerting authority?

gimmesometruth27

they probably did not want to get involved, out of self preservation. especially if these people who are their neighbors have a bunch of guns. it takes balls to call the cops on crazy neighbors. they are going to know who did it, and if the cops don't do anything about it, the person who calls becomes the first potential victim.

Jason P

I think I would carry a gun on me if I ever went into a Wally World located in Las Vegas.

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 said:

they probably did not want to get involved, out of self preservation. especially if these people who are their neighbors have a bunch of guns. it takes balls to call the cops on crazy neighbors. they are going to know who did it, and if the cops don't do anything about it, the person who calls becomes the first potential victim.

Good point.

hedonist

But what about the woman who was best friends with them? Who had (as I read in an article) a boxful of documents for the case? Who said she didn't think they were "that crazy" despite all they'd shared with her?

josevolution

That's a shame if any of these so called friends of theirs knew about their potential killing spree and did nothing about it :( the Police officers & the other individual lives could of been saved ......

jmuscatello

hedonist said:

But what about the woman who was best friends with them? Who had (as I read in an article) a boxful of documents for the case? Who said she didn't think they were "that crazy" despite all they'd shared with her?

She must have been a bit off herself, or maybe not too discerning, not too smart, easily manipulated, maybe just conflict-averse.... but how's she feeling now?

This commentary from The Daily Beast yesterday...

Much as the GOP helped create the lunatic-fringe Tea Party within its midst, the NRA chieftains have helped birth a beast whose black heart now beats strongly among its most radical adherents.

The NRA’s officials purposefully pipeline propaganda to the most loony-tunes among us. They’ve told these gun cultists that they had best arm themselves with as many weapons and as lethal weaponry as they can get their hands on, because either a black president or a black helicopter will be hunting them down shortly. Simultaneously, they’ve used every electoral and lobbying tactic to best enable these unstable individuals to have access to the weaponry of war from which they and their arms-dealer cronies so handsomely profit.

The result: They’ve watched impotently as this witch’s brew of mental illness, far-right politics, propaganda, and heavy weaponry has led to one shocking—yet wholly predictable—massacre after another, with the most recent targets including the execution-style murders of two lunching police officers in Las Vegas. These very same factors have also provided the impetus for a group of lunkheads to share their passion for taking AK-47s to lunch—even though the rest of us have no interest in sharing their emotionally degraded worldview.

It’s quite a con. And it’s killing us.

And besides being a Cliven Bundy fan, Miller
.... also liked the NRA, had pictures of open-carriers at Chipotle, loved the Paul Family (Rand and Ron), and was a fan of “Three Percenter Nation”—which advocates for “no compromise, no surrender.”

unsung

jmuscatello said:

And besides being a Cliven Bundy fan, Miller
.... also liked the NRA, had pictures of open-carriers at Chipotle, loved the Paul Family (Rand and Ron), and was a fan of “Three Percenter Nation”—which advocates for “no compromise, no surrender.”

With those red flags how could anyone miss?

What a joke.

gimmesometruth27

open carriers are too crazy for the nra. the nra reprimanded them publicly, and then recanted and apologized for reprimanding them. now THAT is a joke.

jmuscatello

unsung said:

jmuscatello said:

And besides being a Cliven Bundy fan, Miller
.... also liked the NRA, had pictures of open-carriers at Chipotle, loved the Paul Family (Rand and Ron), and was a fan of “Three Percenter Nation”—which advocates for “no compromise, no surrender.”

With those red flags how could anyone miss?

What a joke.

jeez, seems I struck a nerve there, huh? wasn't personal

unsung

You didn't write it, I'm not taking it personal. I find that authors that do that sort of thing to be pretty radical in their own beliefs, yet are quick to point out the other side and try to prove just how nutty they are.

I'm pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-Paul (more Ron than Rand), does that make me someone who would do this sort of thing? The author would prefer you belief so.

jmuscatello

unsung said:

You didn't write it, I'm not taking it personal. I find that authors that do that sort of thing to be pretty radical in their own beliefs, yet are quick to point out the other side and try to prove just how nutty they are.

I'm pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-Paul (more Ron than Rand), does that make me someone who would do this sort of thing? The author would prefer you belief so.

Nope, doesn't mean you'd do anything like that. If the author was implying that these were red flags I didn't really take it that way. I think most people are interested in what motivated the violence. Extreme view or not, I completely agree with him that the NRA has played a role in stirring up gullible glory-seeking nutjobs like Miller. Then when there's a tragedy they stand back shaking their heads saying "guy was mentally ill, not one of us." Remember, the NRA often (not always) lobbies hard against mental health legislation that would help keep guns out of the hands of people like this.

unsung

Who determines what is good mental health vs bad mental health?

jmuscatello

A psychiatrist should be making that determination. In crisis situations (i.e. Elliott Rodgers) a mental health evaluation hold (24-72 hours) is a way to get the person evaluated. NRA just lobbied against making the evaluation hold process slightly quicker/easier in CO.

Maybe we should forget psychiatrists and just let the NRA decide on good vs bad mental health.... They're so quick to insert themselves in these issues, they must be the experts.

Cosmo

unsung said:

I'm pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-Paul (more Ron than Rand), does that make me someone who would do this sort of thing? The author would prefer you belief so.

...
Question: Do you have or are you in the process of writing a Manifesto?
If Not... then, are you planning on writing a Manifesto?

Cosmo

Question: Does the NRA Headquarters allow Open Carry in their offices?

jeffbr

Cosmo said:

Question: Does the NRA Headquarters allow Open Carry in their offices?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172739/-I-Called-the-NRA-Today-Oh-Boy#

"So there you have it. The NRA staff is armed, while visitors are disarmed."

unsung

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

I'm pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-Paul (more Ron than Rand), does that make me someone who would do this sort of thing? The author would prefer you belief so.

...
Question: Do you have or are you in the process of writing a Manifesto?
If Not... then, are you planning on writing a Manifesto?

I tend to rant a little often...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Cosmo said:

Question: Does the NRA Headquarters allow Open Carry in their offices?

This is the million dollar question.