Why common sense will never win

mattsl1983

Every argument about either guns, immigration, healthcare ect ect will never end. Most will jump on the political bandwagon that fits them. Sure you will probably argue why or how that you don't do it. But you do. We argue and disagree based on the extremes of every situation. Never really offering a real solution but a solution that we see fit personally. F those that disagree right? We try and play this educated role that what I think is better than what you think. It's completely lunacy. Your ideas are no more right than the ideas you disagree with. Maybe if we ever got down and addressed the real issue things would change... Yea we are all keyboard warriors and can google to make sure we are right. It's madness of picking either black or white. And the worst are the people that claim they aren't picking black or white but defend black till the end. And vice versa. Humans, not as intelligent as we'd like to wish or pretend we are.

EarlWelsh

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goingtoverona

unfortunately, "common sense" isn't as common as we would like. there is no official right or wrong answer for anything out there, just opinions that people say should be common sense.

personally I enjoy others viewpoints, open mind for a different view as metallica would say. my problem is, is that i haven't seen any opinion to make me want to change my views.

chadwick

common sense is actually the only winner if we can label such a thing as winner. at least in the realm i am located in it works like this

callen

goingtoverona said:

unfortunately, "common sense" isn't as common as we would like. there is no official right or wrong answer for anything out there, just opinions that people say should be common sense.

personally I enjoy others viewpoints, open mind for a different view as metallica would say. my problem is, is that i haven't seen any opinion to make me want to change my views.

Well I'm staunch in many if my positions and many are based on science and or facts so until a god talks to me nothing will change.

But other subjects like gun control or DP I do listen to the either side and when compelling statistics such as what Matt offered on total gun deaths trending down it does make me think and reevaluate.

People on this board have changed their perspectives.

But the most kickass thing is there are different views that one may not get from their social circle or mediums they normally visit.

chadwick

callen,

but god (if we can call this god) does talk to you, you are not listening

callen

chadwick said:

callen,

but god (if we can call this god) does talk to you, you are not listening

I'm agnostic so I don't know and freely admit that and always have my ear to the ground.

Listening intently to birds singing right now. Many species....incredible chorus. I'll take nature to be my spiritual guide.

callen

chadwick said:

callen,

but god (if we can call this god) does talk to you, you are not listening

Oh. Good morning Chad. Hope it's beautiful where you are as it is here

chadwick

beautiful morning here as well. enjoying this fine day

yes, callen, nature is the spiritual guide. that is where your ears are
put your all in there as it is common sense

hedonist

callen said:

chadwick said:

callen,

but god (if we can call this god) does talk to you, you are not listening

I'm agnostic so I don't know and freely admit that and always have my ear to the ground.

Listening intently to birds singing right now. Many species....incredible chorus. I'll take nature to be my spiritual guide.

Well-said.

a5pj

Pretty much politics for ya right there. I'm right and won't compromise.
Ex) School Shootings
It's Guns, that's the problem!!
No it's not we have the right to guns!!

meanwhile school shootings still happen, everyday and people die. who cares who's right, people are dying.

Cosmo

I think that 'Common Sense' is what the majority in the middle believe. The problem is, we only hear from the extremists os both ends of the spectrum is because that is where the fanaticism exists.
For example, most of us agree that we don't want fucking crazy people to obtain guns becuase we understand they are the ones most likely to shoot up the place. We just don't know how to go about it without violating the rights of the people.
Then, the extremists jump in with the crazy, 'Ban all Guns' or 'Arm Everybody' talk that the rest of us know is not even a variable in the solution. The extremists are typically the ones with the loudest voices and are the most entertaining to display on television. No one wants to watch a couple of boring people in the middle trying to actually solve a problem using logic, reason, fact, truth and common sense... it is more fun to watch a couple of extremists yelling crazy shit at each other, right? Political Jerry Springer. That increases ratings, which bring in money.
The side effect is the sterotyping of the political labels, such as Conservative and Liberal, and those extremists are the one defining those stereotypes.
The only way Common Sense will win is when we stop listening to the static coming from the lunatic fringes of our society. But, that is no going to happen because lunacy... not common sense... $ells.

Last-12-Exit

To the OP: common sense to me may not be common sense to you. For example, I believe that abortions should be legal. To me, it's common sense that a woman has the right to choose. Someone that is against abortion would tell me that it's common sense not to murder a baby. That's the backbone of debate, no? Yes, we are all keyboard warriors that use Google. But everyone has their own definition of common sense. That's what makes a good argument/debate. That's why we are on AMT and not AET.

mattsl1983

Last exit, I understand what you are trying to do. You are bringing up a much debated issue as your reasoning why common sense doesn't exist. And how it just a subjective idea. I would say common sense isn't that subjective. It's only subjective to someone that wants to make it subjective. The all around common sense issue with abortion is if you don't like it, don't have one. If you are okay with them, then have one if you the situation arises. Let's leave the extreme ends out ie "you can't because I don't think" points out. Sticking with these ideas are the complete reason why common sense will never prevail. We make issues out of what we as individuals think is right, And more disturbingly what we think is right for others. This is a prime example of why I said common sense will never win because we are all completely focused on the extremes.

Last-12-Exit

That's actually not what I was saying. Common sense certainly exists. But it is different to different people. I used abortion as an example only. It's not extreme. Apply it to any issue. There's no set definition of common sense. It most definitely is subjective.

rgambs

mattsl1983 said:

Last exit, I understand what you are trying to do. You are bringing up a much debated issue as your reasoning why common sense doesn't exist. And how it just a subjective idea. I would say common sense isn't that subjective. It's only subjective to someone that wants to make it subjective. The all around common sense issue with abortion is if you don't like it, don't have one. If you are okay with them, then have one if you the situation arises. Let's leave the extreme ends out ie "you can't because I don't think" points out. Sticking with these ideas are the complete reason why common sense will never prevail. We make issues out of what we as individuals think is right, And more disturbingly what we think is right for others. This is a prime example of why I said common sense will never win because we are all completely focused on the extremes.

this is a total fallacy... The common sense of "get one if you want one, dont if you dont" requires the prerequisite of a provider being legally allowed to provide one.. To some, as last exit pointed out, abortion is murder and thats common sense. Hence the national debate in which there is no "common" sense. He is right, it is subjective. If it was objective it would be "fact" not "common sense". The speed of light is fact, dont put your hand in the fire is common sense... Do you see the difference???

callen

Think you have to go more primal or basic to get to "common sense" on abortion as an example.

There are more underlying motivations than the commonly sited reasons for ones positions such as it's murder of woman's rights. Could be it goes to insecurities of feeling special or out of control. One could argue that the common sense comes down to adding another human to the planet.

rgambs

subjective either way though! Speed of light was a bad example as it changes depending on the medium through which it travels. Speed of light in vacuum, there that isnt subjective lol

callen

Adding or not adding to population isn't subjective, ramifications are.

So point being common sense has to rely on actual effect.

So walking into minus 20 degrees to walk for 2 hours in nude isn't common sense as you'd get frostbite. If that's the case anyway.

brianlux

I usually equate common sense with basic things like:
"Don't stick a hot poker up your ass before going to work."
"Never play marbles in the fast lane on I-80 at rush hour."
"If you have to choose between cream or strychnine for your coffee, choose wisely."

Arguments for more complex issues like gun control, international relations, environmental issues and the like are enhanced by common sense I suppose but I don't think you can easily narrow them down by one single characteristic like "common sense".

PJfanwillneverleave1

If sense was common, everyone would have it.

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

If sense was common, everyone would have it.

Love it!
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