Nasa data reveals melting of West Antarctic ice sheet is irreversible.

brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048
edited May 2014 in A Moving Train
I won't even bother to post a link because this news is all over the place. Some will deny it is happening, some will deny that this is caused by human activity, some will point out that the melting will take longer than many of us will live. But it's happening and even the thought that it might be irreversible should be cause enough for strong concern.

If this is indeed an irreversible condition it can be slowed down. We can become more educated, drive less and walk more, buy fewer items and try to find the most durable items for the ones we do purchase, lower our energy consumption, recycle more than we do, and support the development of energy efficient products- especially cars. And still have a good time living!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048
    OK- I screwed up. Mods, please move this to AMT- thanks!
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited May 2014
    tbh brian until governments get fair dinkum with their green iniatives... for all we as individuals do, we may as well be pissing in the wind. the sun sits up there mocking us with its fabulous energy and all we do is slap more sunscreen on... both literally and figuratively.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048

    tbh brian until governments get fair dinkum with their green iniatives... for all we as individuals do, we may as well be pissing in the wind. the sun sits up there mocking us with its fabulous energy and all we do is slap more sunscreen on... both literally and figuratively.

    Oh so well said, Catefrances.

    By the way- "dinkum"- good word!

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i watch as new housing development after new housing development is built to scar the landscape and i dotn see mandatory grey water and rain water tanks, nor do i see mandatory solar cells on the roofs.... these 3 alone should be the least everyones new house as.. especially here in austra;lia where water is at a premium and the sun is so present. we build new roads a go go as more cars take to the roads yet theyre build to a sub standard that boggles my mind. just here in sydney our road system leaves alot to be desires... the government seems to have zero forethought.. tho i shouldnt be surprised, our state government hasnt ever shown any forward thinking in how to get the peeps from place to place.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048

    i watch as new housing development after new housing development is built to scar the landscape and i dotn see mandatory grey water and rain water tanks, nor do i see mandatory solar cells on the roofs.... these 3 alone should be the least everyones new house as.. especially here in austra;lia where water is at a premium and the sun is so present. we build new roads a go go as more cars take to the roads yet theyre build to a sub standard that boggles my mind. just here in sydney our road system leaves alot to be desires... the government seems to have zero forethought.. tho i shouldnt be surprised, our state government hasnt ever shown any forward thinking in how to get the peeps from place to place.

    Same thing here- the build build build mentality. I am encourages to see more building with solar cells but the ones without are outpacing the ones with.

    "Growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." -Edward Abbey

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    edited May 2014
    Sculpture in Berlin titled "Politicians Discussing Global Warming".

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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    I am so angry about all this stuff happening to our nature.

    What´s next? Seems like no-one will change something. It´s all about the f..king money.
    Growing up in Germany we always were told to do this little normal things like saving water, turning off the lights if you don´t need it... aso. We got this refuse-sorting-system, investing in wind energie, don´t allow gas fracking ....
    And the whole world is laughing about us bc Germans are taking all things too serious or it´s pomposity because this is such a little place in the world and it would not have any global effection! Wtf, it´s better doing some little things than nothing.
    All this political stuff in the world (incl. here) it´s only about power and money and it´s so frustrating that everone ( specially the governments) exactly know what´s going on but nobody wants to get up his a.. to save our nature.

    We voted yesterday - and now we can see what happens again and so we can go on and on - with all the lies and doing nothing more !

    Sorry, it looks like I am very frustrated ... (and sorry for my poor english - hope you can get what I mean)

    I feel like it should be normal since a long time that we had changed our mind and it would be no question to really change our behaviour to make sure this world will be save for all of it´s creatures !

    @-)
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048
    kce8 said:

    I am so angry about all this stuff happening to our nature.

    What´s next? Seems like no-one will change something. It´s all about the f..king money.
    Growing up in Germany we always were told to do this little normal things like saving water, turning off the lights if you don´t need it... aso. We got this refuse-sorting-system, investing in wind energie, don´t allow gas fracking ....
    And the whole world is laughing about us bc Germans are taking all things too serious or it´s pomposity because this is such a little place in the world and it would not have any global effection! Wtf, it´s better doing some little things than nothing.
    All this political stuff in the world (incl. here) it´s only about power and money and it´s so frustrating that everone ( specially the governments) exactly know what´s going on but nobody wants to get up his a.. to save our nature.

    We voted yesterday - and now we can see what happens again and so we can go on and on - with all the lies and doing nothing more !

    Sorry, it looks like I am very frustrated ... (and sorry for my poor english - hope you can get what I mean)

    I feel like it should be normal since a long time that we had changed our mind and it would be no question to really change our behaviour to make sure this world will be save for all of it´s creatures !

    @-)

    I have a good friend from Muenster and from what he tells me, I believe Germans in general are much more aware and responsible about global warming and environment. We here in the US could learn a few thing from you. Thank you!

    And your English is quite good. Much better than my Deutsche! Guten Tag. :-)

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  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    Hey brianlux, so cool you answered ! Thank you !

    Great that you have a friend in Münster! It´s a very nice City. I think it´s only a two hour drive from my little city. Did you ever visit Münster? Or will you come to Berlin in June to see PJ ?
    I like that you speak german ! Did you got lessons in school ? I didn´t learn it very well in school. Had a bad teacher and it´s so long ago. Never needed it much at work so it´s difficult and I sometimes need a dictionary.

    You are right, we Germans used to be a little more responible than the most other countrys but I just think it´s not enough - we could easily do much more. In every areas.
    And it´s the first time I hear someone say that others could learn from us. But you are right. The problem is we are such a little state and it feels like others make fun about it. (Don´t know how to say it) Does it looks like a lecture to others? I hope not.
    But it´s like everywhere, some people care and some don´t.

    That´s one of the things I like about PJ and the members from 10c. It feels like they are good people and they care about more than concerts and their advantages. For me it´s the first time that I got interested in reading or writing in a forum . I never did this bevore and I won´t do it somewhere else. I thought I would waste my time doing something like this. Now I come here so often - I think I am infected ;) I hope to find some friends who like to share my love for this great band with me - unlikely I don´t know someone personell who really likes them so much like me. Thats so sad and all of my friends think I am absolut crazy . That´s something I don´t care about !!!

    So, great to meet you here and if you ever come to a PJ gig in europe I will be lucky to bring a drink and say hello.
    brianlux said:

    kce8 said:

    I am so angry about all this stuff happening to our nature.

    What´s next? Seems like no-one will change something. It´s all about the f..king money.
    Growing up in Germany we always were told to do this little normal things like saving water, turning off the lights if you don´t need it... aso. We got this refuse-sorting-system, investing in wind energie, don´t allow gas fracking ....
    And the whole world is laughing about us bc Germans are taking all things too serious or it´s pomposity because this is such a little place in the world and it would not have any global effection! Wtf, it´s better doing some little things than nothing.
    All this political stuff in the world (incl. here) it´s only about power and money and it´s so frustrating that everone ( specially the governments) exactly know what´s going on but nobody wants to get up his a.. to save our nature.

    We voted yesterday - and now we can see what happens again and so we can go on and on - with all the lies and doing nothing more !

    Sorry, it looks like I am very frustrated ... (and sorry for my poor english - hope you can get what I mean)

    I feel like it should be normal since a long time that we had changed our mind and it would be no question to really change our behaviour to make sure this world will be save for all of it´s creatures !

    @-)

    I have a good friend from Muenster and from what he tells me, I believe Germans in general are much more aware and responsible about global warming and environment. We here in the US could learn a few thing from you. Thank you!

    And your English is quite good. Much better than my Deutsche! Guten Tag. :-)

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048
    edited May 2014
    kce8 said:

    Hey brianlux, so cool you answered ! Thank you !

    Great that you have a friend in Münster! It´s a very nice City. I think it´s only a two hour drive from my little city. Did you ever visit Münster? Or will you come to Berlin in June to see PJ ?
    I like that you speak german ! Did you got lessons in school ? I didn´t learn it very well in school. Had a bad teacher and it´s so long ago. Never needed it much at work so it´s difficult and I sometimes need a dictionary.

    You are right, we Germans used to be a little more responible than the most other countrys but I just think it´s not enough - we could easily do much more. In every areas.
    And it´s the first time I hear someone say that others could learn from us. But you are right. The problem is we are such a little state and it feels like others make fun about it. (Don´t know how to say it) Does it looks like a lecture to others? I hope not.
    But it´s like everywhere, some people care and some don´t.

    That´s one of the things I like about PJ and the members from 10c. It feels like they are good people and they care about more than concerts and their advantages. For me it´s the first time that I got interested in reading or writing in a forum . I never did this bevore and I won´t do it somewhere else. I thought I would waste my time doing something like this. Now I come here so often - I think I am infected ;) I hope to find some friends who like to share my love for this great band with me - unlikely I don´t know someone personell who really likes them so much like me. Thats so sad and all of my friends think I am absolut crazy . That´s something I don´t care about !!!

    So, great to meet you here and if you ever come to a PJ gig in europe I will be lucky to bring a drink and say hello.

    brianlux said:

    kce8 said:

    I am so angry about all this stuff happening to our nature.

    What´s next? Seems like no-one will change something. It´s all about the f..king money.
    Growing up in Germany we always were told to do this little normal things like saving water, turning off the lights if you don´t need it... aso. We got this refuse-sorting-system, investing in wind energie, don´t allow gas fracking ....
    And the whole world is laughing about us bc Germans are taking all things too serious or it´s pomposity because this is such a little place in the world and it would not have any global effection! Wtf, it´s better doing some little things than nothing.
    All this political stuff in the world (incl. here) it´s only about power and money and it´s so frustrating that everone ( specially the governments) exactly know what´s going on but nobody wants to get up his a.. to save our nature.

    We voted yesterday - and now we can see what happens again and so we can go on and on - with all the lies and doing nothing more !

    Sorry, it looks like I am very frustrated ... (and sorry for my poor english - hope you can get what I mean)

    I feel like it should be normal since a long time that we had changed our mind and it would be no question to really change our behaviour to make sure this world will be save for all of it´s creatures !

    @-)

    I have a good friend from Muenster and from what he tells me, I believe Germans in general are much more aware and responsible about global warming and environment. We here in the US could learn a few thing from you. Thank you!

    And your English is quite good. Much better than my Deutsche! Guten Tag. :-)

    Oh gosh, no I don't really speak much German... I mean Deutsche... only a few words. My favorite word is ausgezeichnet! My friend from Muenster wishes I did but he is very forgiving for my laziness! I have not been to Germany but perhaps one day and, yes, we shall have a drink and say hello!

    Yes, there are many good people here on the Pearl Jam forum. You will find lots of good folks here! :-)

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    zwei glas wein danke
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Posts: 4,007

    zwei glas wein danke

    A Beer for me Thanks :)
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048
    i_lov_it said:

    zwei glas wein danke

    A Beer for me Thanks :)
    Say, what the heck time is it way over and down yonder? It's late here. Guess I'd better stop nursing this tequila and lime and hit it. Doncha just love how these threads all seem to veer toward drinking? :-)) Well, it is the weekend after all... barely! (11:35 PM... or as Henry would say, 2335 hours.)

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  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Posts: 4,007
    brianlux said:

    i_lov_it said:

    zwei glas wein danke

    A Beer for me Thanks :)
    Say, what the heck time is it way over and down yonder? It's late here. Guess I'd better stop nursing this tequila and lime and hit it. Doncha just love how these threads all seem to veer toward drinking? :-)) Well, it is the weekend after all... barely! (11:35 PM... or as Henry would say, 2335 hours.)

    Tequila Shots now your talking ;)

  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    i would say: einen Jacky für mich, bitte (one Jacky for me , please)

    but not now... it´s Tuesday at noon

    just reminds me of two friends I have had a long time ago in Texas. Were at their wedding in ´95 and visited them in ´99 after a very hard time... I should had better stay in contact... think I have to write...but I am feeling embarrassed because I didn´t....(perhaps it was bc of the language or life was too tough at that time)
    They gave me a typical american birthday-cake with some Becks-beer-cans candels on top of it. So cool! Never saw something like this in Germany before. That was 1999 and he liked beer and I´m not

    Why are the smilys not working?

    This evening I will get some red wine !!!

    :D
  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Posts: 4,007
    edited May 2014
    brianlux said:



    Say, what the heck time is it way over and down yonder? It's late here.

    Brian I think Perth is about 15 Hours in front of the West Coast of America :)

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,048
    Right now (well, not right right now but you know..LOL) I'm reading Sea Sheperd; My Fight for Whales and Seals by Paul Watson. Watson helped found Greenpeace and later left that organization to start up the Sea Shepherd organization.

    It astounds me to read about some of the brave and daring acts Watson was involved in back as far as the early 70's- 40 plus years ago, to remember again how much attention he and his courageous mates helped bring to several environmental issues- particularly regarding the health of the oceans and ocean life- and then then think about how endangered these lives are still.

    The fight is far from over. The seas are imperiled, the glaciers are melting, the earth is embattled. This is no time to be reticent. The question is, how can one be more active in a positive way? How does one not just get tired and figure, "wtf, may as well just have a good time and forget about it"? How does one not give up?
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    brianlux said:

    Right now (well, not right right now but you know..LOL) I'm reading Sea Sheperd; My Fight for Whales and Seals by Paul Watson. Watson helped found Greenpeace and later left that organization to start up the Sea Shepherd organization.

    It astounds me to read about some of the brave and daring acts Watson was involved in back as far as the early 70's- 40 plus years ago, to remember again how much attention he and his courageous mates helped bring to several environmental issues- particularly regarding the health of the oceans and ocean life- and then then think about how endangered these lives are still.

    The fight is far from over. The seas are imperiled, the glaciers are melting, the earth is embattled. This is no time to be reticent. The question is, how can one be more active in a positive way? How does one not just get tired and figure, "wtf, may as well just have a good time and forget about it"? How does one not give up?


    Guten Tag und hallo brianlux,

    just before I read this I got a call from one of my best friends that she arrived from Mobile (AL). She lives there since last summer with her family bc her husband works there for the next ~ 3 years.
    In 1999 they were there for one year and I was there on vacation. It´s so beautiful there. Then there were Hurricanes and this
    bad tragedy of oil pollution.
    I am far away but as this happens it broke my heart bc I could not believe that this will be healed.
    My friend told me that the shoreline is different now. But we didn´t talk so much about it so when I go to meet her later I will
    ask her.
    I cannot believe that all the big concerns go on with all the lies. They make all this much money and just go on.
    Sometimes I think we will not stop beating our nature before it´s too late.

    Here in Germany we are planning to give up the nuclear power stations since we were all allowed to hear from this dessaster
    in Japan. Meaning this really save nuclear power stations - :( !!! But now all the reactor runners who had made so unbelievable much money all the years want to give a little bit money and than give the reactors up to the state. Because they just know that nobody knows what to do with all the nuclear stuff and how much money it will cost for the next fu..ing billion years ~X( WTF
    So I cannot see how this will work for normal people. I know who will win! For them it´s like: let´s make money - don´t think about the consequences and after all let pay the stupid folk !!! >:)

    For me personal I will go on doing the little things that I can and give a f...k about people who don´t want to know and don´t care.
    I think we have to fight for all the good things on earth.

    Thinking about to read the book you talked about. After that I will give it away to people who care. Danke Dir !

    Now I will come too late.

    So long....
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