Another cop shooting someone's dog

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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Before the cop apologists come out in force and tell me how hard a cop's job is read this...

    Vet says dog was executed...

    http://m.kltv.com/#!/newsDetail/25325640?orgId=117
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Well, I'm not an apologist for anyone - all should stand on their own individual merit.

    We had an incident here recently where a young man was being held in an apartment, had been stabbed. He was able to escape and while running from the apartment building, he was shot and killed by police who thought he was the perpetrator (despite him carrying no weapon, just wearing his own blood).

    Here, I honestly feel for the dog's owner, and the dog.

    (and at the same time, the headline of "Sicko Cop"? No, not unbiased at all)
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    One of my co-workers had both of his dogs shot by a cop that was chasing suspects through his property. He had two Newfoundland dogs, which are widely known for their gentle temperment. The cop claims they became aggressive towards his K9 unit so he shot them. He killed the older one and they younger one lived, but lost an eye. Both shots were head shots.

    My co-worker claims he didn't see any bite marks on the K9 unit as the officer reported. He thinks the officer shot them because they are big dogs and they approached him, but he says they are teddy bears. The situation really has screwed this dude up. He came into work with blood all over his shirt and emotionally enough unstable that a shift leader took him back home.

    Here is a little from an article that covered the report ...

    Ernie and Janice located their dogs and discovered that the oldest dog, Kramer, was dead, but that their 8-month-old, McAfee, was still alive. They transported Mc, as they call him, to the Manchester Veterinary Clinic where he was treated by Dr. Jeffrey Pyle.

    “The bullet impacted him on the top of the head to the inside of the left eye,” said Pyle. “The bullet passed through his left eye and went directly down through his face and skull…and exited through the throat area.”

    The bullet destroyed Mc’s left eye and did extensive damage to his throat area. Pyle is not sure how he survived.

    “I call him my miracle boy, because there are a lot of important things that bullet missed by, literally, millimeters,” said Pyle. “It still did a lot of damage. Don’t get me wrong.”

    Pyle said Mc was shot at near point-blank range. He removed the left eye and performed major reconstructive surgery on Mc’s throat to enable proper breathing and swallowing. He was released the following Monday with stitches in his head and eye and pain medication.

    “He walked out the door with his tail wagging,” said Pyle.

    Dr. Pyle, also a Newfoundland owner, agrees that Newfoundlands are not typically aggressive dogs, and that they are less territorial than most dogs.

    “They’re normally a gentle dog, not particularly aggressive,” he said. “Now if you back them into a corner or put him in a situation where someone was threatening one of our family members, he’d take care of business. If you have a lot of shouting, yelling, excitement, you don’t know what they would do. They’re a dog. And this is not Newfoundlands. This is all dogs.”

    He also said that Mc was particularly docile, calling him a sweetheart and noting that he never made any mean or aggressive move when coming into contact with dozens of people during his stay at the clinic. Several times, Pyle let him walk through the kennel area and he would walk up to each kennel, put his nose to the cage and wag his tail, wanting to play with the other dogs.

    “I wasn’t there when it happened and neither was Mr. Bradley,” said Dr. Pyle. “One thing about Newfoundland dogs is, they’re a large dog, and a large dog just by its size is intimidating to most people. Two of them coming at you, it would be intimidating even if they were coming to be friendly. And we don’t know how the officer’s dog was reacting to the two other dogs.”

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    This won't stop until the police are prosecuted.

    Hard prison time in GenPop should work.
  • unsung said:

    This won't stop until the police are prosecuted.

    Hard prison time in GenPop should work.

    Well... lucky for this event, eh Unsung? Now that your assertion Cliven Bundy is an American hero has been thoroughly destroyed... there's nothing like a dog shooting cop incident to rekindle your passion for despising authority.

    To this thread, if it has been found that the dog was unnecessarily shot, I would stand behind charges laid upon the offending officer. Does your legal system typically sentence guys who shoot dogs to hard prison time in GenPop... or is this just your hatred towards police officers spewing forth?

    Ugly incidents aside... you do realize that the majority of police officers are good people and provide a critical service to your country don't you?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    In this instance, it appears we are talking about one really bad cop. I guess we're supposed to conclude that all cops are bad that if we say otherwise we are "coming out in force as cop apologists". Almost funny... but rather sad....
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Yup, Thirty Bills...and ugliness resides within any group.

    I'd say that most if not all here would agree that while the police enforce the law, they're also not above it.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    I love how the only news sites covering this story, with the same angle, are libertarian and conservative fringe sites.

    Makes you wonder how the incident really went down.
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  • BinFrog said:

    I love how the only news sites covering this story, with the same angle, are libertarian and conservative fringe sites.

    Makes you wonder how the incident really went down.

    Of course.

    According to the story, the cop was responding to a 9-1-1 call. The owner of the property was out back, knowing that a cop was en route, and he left the dog at the entrance to the property.

    It might be just me, but if I knew police were arriving to investigate, I wouldn't leave my dog to 'greet' them as they arrived- it would be by my side and under my control. Further, the owner claims that the dog was not menacing, but wasn't actually there to definitively say for sure. I know the owner 'vouches' for the dog's disposition, but it's safe to say that the dog's anxiety was high given the owner's anxiety was high. In many of these other and similar threads, I believe a cop does not have to get bit before they can protecting themselves from a dog acting aggressively.

    I'm not deliberately trying to absolve the officer, but I am agreeing with you that there is a little more to the story than it being a simple case of a 'sicko' cop executing a dog- possibly spun that way, as you say, by libertarian and conservative fringe sites.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    edited April 2014
    Thirty,

    Yes, I pretty much hate cops. Are there good ones? Sure.

    Happy?


    I also hate most politicians, celebrities, mouth-breathers, neocons, socialists, communists, reality tv viewers, big pharma, big agriculture, lobbyists, the NRA, authoritarians, fascists, nihilists, and valley girls.

    In fact I pretty much hate anyone that thinks because they are in a position of power that they can demonstrate it with impunity.

    But I don't hate hippies, hippy chicks are hot. Just as long as they shave their legs. And pits.
    Post edited by unsung on
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,049
    Don't you guys know that the one million and fifth Executive Order that Obama signed authorized all law enforcement agencies of the US to shoot on sight all dogs encountered during routine calls in an effort to rid the nation of owned dogs so that the number of strays and sheltered dogs would decline to eventually zero? Yup, its part of UN Plan 32 to rid the world of stray dogs and bring the US into compliance with the New World One World World Order. Plus, Obama is secretly a cat person. b-(

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited April 2014
    unsung said:

    Thirty,

    Yes, I pretty much hate cops. Are there good ones? Sure.

    Happy?


    I also hate most politicians, celebrities, mouth-breathers, neocons, socialists, communists, reality tv viewers, big pharma, big agriculture, lobbyists, the NRA, authoritarians, fascists, nihilists, and valley girls.

    In fact I pretty much hate anyone that thinks because they are in a position of power that they can demonstrate it with impunity.

    But I don't hate hippies, hippy chicks are hot. Just as long as they shave their legs. And pits.

    Well... I wouldn't say 'I'm happy'.

    That list includes some good groups to hate, but I think you need to refine it a bit: you don't seriously hate me because I watch Hell's Kitchen do you? And some people simply cannot breathe through their nose for a number of reasons- don't hold it against them because they're catching flies.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    And valley girls? What is this, 1987?
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Whatever. It's a joke. I don't even know what a valley girl is.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487

    unsung said:

    Thirty,

    Yes, I pretty much hate cops. Are there good ones? Sure.

    Happy?


    I also hate most politicians, celebrities, mouth-breathers, neocons, socialists, communists, reality tv viewers, big pharma, big agriculture, lobbyists, the NRA, authoritarians, fascists, nihilists, and valley girls.

    In fact I pretty much hate anyone that thinks because they are in a position of power that they can demonstrate it with impunity.

    But I don't hate hippies, hippy chicks are hot. Just as long as they shave their legs. And pits.

    Well... I wouldn't say 'I'm happy'.

    That list includes some good groups to hate, but I think you need to refine it a bit: you don't seriously hate me because I watch Hell's Kitchen do you? And some people simply cannot breathe through their nose for a number of reasons- don't hold it against them because they're catching flies.

    If you spend more than two minutes discussing the previous episode I'd probably have concern.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    unsung said:

    Thirty,

    Yes, I pretty much hate cops. Are there good ones? Sure.

    Happy?


    I also hate most politicians, celebrities, mouth-breathers, neocons, socialists, communists, reality tv viewers, big pharma, big agriculture, lobbyists, the NRA, authoritarians, fascists, nihilists, and valley girls.

    In fact I pretty much hate anyone that thinks because they are in a position of power that they can demonstrate it with impunity.

    But I don't hate hippies, hippy chicks are hot. Just as long as they shave their legs. And pits.

    Yeah but I'll pet you tussle with your dog, pet the cat, kiss the kids goodnight, go dancing with your wife and enjoy a few beers with the guys now and then. But, hey ya, a little misanthropy now and again- yeah, we all got that too. Ain't it a bitch?

    And don't forget to go out and howl at the moon once in a while. 'Tis good for the soul.



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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    aww man not nihilists.... they have the best view point. nothing. we want ze money lebowski, yeah or we fuck you up.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Jason P said:

    One of my co-workers had both of his dogs shot by a cop that was chasing suspects through his property. He had two Newfoundland dogs, which are widely known for their gentle temperment. The cop claims they became aggressive towards his K9 unit so he shot them. He killed the older one and they younger one lived, but lost an eye. Both shots were head shots.

    My co-worker claims he didn't see any bite marks on the K9 unit as the officer reported. He thinks the officer shot them because they are big dogs and they approached him, but he says they are teddy bears. The situation really has screwed this dude up. He came into work with blood all over his shirt and emotionally enough unstable that a shift leader took him back home.

    Here is a little from an article that covered the report ...

    Ernie and Janice located their dogs and discovered that the oldest dog, Kramer, was dead, but that their 8-month-old, McAfee, was still alive. They transported Mc, as they call him, to the Manchester Veterinary Clinic where he was treated by Dr. Jeffrey Pyle.

    “The bullet impacted him on the top of the head to the inside of the left eye,” said Pyle. “The bullet passed through his left eye and went directly down through his face and skull…and exited through the throat area.”

    The bullet destroyed Mc’s left eye and did extensive damage to his throat area. Pyle is not sure how he survived.

    “I call him my miracle boy, because there are a lot of important things that bullet missed by, literally, millimeters,” said Pyle. “It still did a lot of damage. Don’t get me wrong.”

    Pyle said Mc was shot at near point-blank range. He removed the left eye and performed major reconstructive surgery on Mc’s throat to enable proper breathing and swallowing. He was released the following Monday with stitches in his head and eye and pain medication.

    “He walked out the door with his tail wagging,” said Pyle.

    Dr. Pyle, also a Newfoundland owner, agrees that Newfoundlands are not typically aggressive dogs, and that they are less territorial than most dogs.

    “They’re normally a gentle dog, not particularly aggressive,” he said. “Now if you back them into a corner or put him in a situation where someone was threatening one of our family members, he’d take care of business. If you have a lot of shouting, yelling, excitement, you don’t know what they would do. They’re a dog. And this is not Newfoundlands. This is all dogs.”

    He also said that Mc was particularly docile, calling him a sweetheart and noting that he never made any mean or aggressive move when coming into contact with dozens of people during his stay at the clinic. Several times, Pyle let him walk through the kennel area and he would walk up to each kennel, put his nose to the cage and wag his tail, wanting to play with the other dogs.

    “I wasn’t there when it happened and neither was Mr. Bradley,” said Dr. Pyle. “One thing about Newfoundland dogs is, they’re a large dog, and a large dog just by its size is intimidating to most people. Two of them coming at you, it would be intimidating even if they were coming to be friendly. And we don’t know how the officer’s dog was reacting to the two other dogs.”

    I don't have many soft spots.....but I do for Newfoundland dogs......big teddy bears.

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487

    aww man not nihilists.... they have the best view point. nothing. we want ze money lebowski, yeah or we fuck you up.

    Well that took long enough for someone to pick up. Nice.

  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    dignin said:

    Jason P said:

    One of my co-workers had both of his dogs shot by a cop that was chasing suspects through his property. He had two Newfoundland dogs, which are widely known for their gentle temperment. The cop claims they became aggressive towards his K9 unit so he shot them. He killed the older one and they younger one lived, but lost an eye. Both shots were head shots.

    My co-worker claims he didn't see any bite marks on the K9 unit as the officer reported. He thinks the officer shot them because they are big dogs and they approached him, but he says they are teddy bears. The situation really has screwed this dude up. He came into work with blood all over his shirt and emotionally enough unstable that a shift leader took him back home.

    Here is a little from an article that covered the report ...

    Ernie and Janice located their dogs and discovered that the oldest dog, Kramer, was dead, but that their 8-month-old, McAfee, was still alive. They transported Mc, as they call him, to the Manchester Veterinary Clinic where he was treated by Dr. Jeffrey Pyle.

    “The bullet impacted him on the top of the head to the inside of the left eye,” said Pyle. “The bullet passed through his left eye and went directly down through his face and skull…and exited through the throat area.”

    The bullet destroyed Mc’s left eye and did extensive damage to his throat area. Pyle is not sure how he survived.

    “I call him my miracle boy, because there are a lot of important things that bullet missed by, literally, millimeters,” said Pyle. “It still did a lot of damage. Don’t get me wrong.”

    Pyle said Mc was shot at near point-blank range. He removed the left eye and performed major reconstructive surgery on Mc’s throat to enable proper breathing and swallowing. He was released the following Monday with stitches in his head and eye and pain medication.

    “He walked out the door with his tail wagging,” said Pyle.

    Dr. Pyle, also a Newfoundland owner, agrees that Newfoundlands are not typically aggressive dogs, and that they are less territorial than most dogs.

    “They’re normally a gentle dog, not particularly aggressive,” he said. “Now if you back them into a corner or put him in a situation where someone was threatening one of our family members, he’d take care of business. If you have a lot of shouting, yelling, excitement, you don’t know what they would do. They’re a dog. And this is not Newfoundlands. This is all dogs.”

    He also said that Mc was particularly docile, calling him a sweetheart and noting that he never made any mean or aggressive move when coming into contact with dozens of people during his stay at the clinic. Several times, Pyle let him walk through the kennel area and he would walk up to each kennel, put his nose to the cage and wag his tail, wanting to play with the other dogs.

    “I wasn’t there when it happened and neither was Mr. Bradley,” said Dr. Pyle. “One thing about Newfoundland dogs is, they’re a large dog, and a large dog just by its size is intimidating to most people. Two of them coming at you, it would be intimidating even if they were coming to be friendly. And we don’t know how the officer’s dog was reacting to the two other dogs.”

    I don't have many soft spots.....but I do for Newfoundland dogs......big teddy bears.

    The worst part is that I don't believe any discipline was handed out to the cop. Ernie asked the town counsil to suspend him and do an investigation and all they told him is that they would take his opinion into consideration ... which is small town speak for "sorry about your luck".

    I'm not a dog person, but it is easy for me to see how much these dogs meant to him. The worst part is that the cops went to a suspected meth house and didn't have anyone covering the back door ... which would have prevented the suspects from escaping and going through Ernie's property ... which would have prevented an overzealous cop from shooting two dogs in the head.

    I can't confirm it, but someone told me the cop who shot the dogs made a comment on his The Facebook page about proudly shooting two wolves a few days later ... and we don't have any wolves where I live.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Jason P said:

    dignin said:

    Jason P said:

    One of my co-workers had both of his dogs shot by a cop that was chasing suspects through his property. He had two Newfoundland dogs, which are widely known for their gentle temperment. The cop claims they became aggressive towards his K9 unit so he shot them. He killed the older one and they younger one lived, but lost an eye. Both shots were head shots.

    My co-worker claims he didn't see any bite marks on the K9 unit as the officer reported. He thinks the officer shot them because they are big dogs and they approached him, but he says they are teddy bears. The situation really has screwed this dude up. He came into work with blood all over his shirt and emotionally enough unstable that a shift leader took him back home.

    Here is a little from an article that covered the report ...

    Ernie and Janice located their dogs and discovered that the oldest dog, Kramer, was dead, but that their 8-month-old, McAfee, was still alive. They transported Mc, as they call him, to the Manchester Veterinary Clinic where he was treated by Dr. Jeffrey Pyle.

    “The bullet impacted him on the top of the head to the inside of the left eye,” said Pyle. “The bullet passed through his left eye and went directly down through his face and skull…and exited through the throat area.”

    The bullet destroyed Mc’s left eye and did extensive damage to his throat area. Pyle is not sure how he survived.

    “I call him my miracle boy, because there are a lot of important things that bullet missed by, literally, millimeters,” said Pyle. “It still did a lot of damage. Don’t get me wrong.”

    Pyle said Mc was shot at near point-blank range. He removed the left eye and performed major reconstructive surgery on Mc’s throat to enable proper breathing and swallowing. He was released the following Monday with stitches in his head and eye and pain medication.

    “He walked out the door with his tail wagging,” said Pyle.

    Dr. Pyle, also a Newfoundland owner, agrees that Newfoundlands are not typically aggressive dogs, and that they are less territorial than most dogs.

    “They’re normally a gentle dog, not particularly aggressive,” he said. “Now if you back them into a corner or put him in a situation where someone was threatening one of our family members, he’d take care of business. If you have a lot of shouting, yelling, excitement, you don’t know what they would do. They’re a dog. And this is not Newfoundlands. This is all dogs.”

    He also said that Mc was particularly docile, calling him a sweetheart and noting that he never made any mean or aggressive move when coming into contact with dozens of people during his stay at the clinic. Several times, Pyle let him walk through the kennel area and he would walk up to each kennel, put his nose to the cage and wag his tail, wanting to play with the other dogs.

    “I wasn’t there when it happened and neither was Mr. Bradley,” said Dr. Pyle. “One thing about Newfoundland dogs is, they’re a large dog, and a large dog just by its size is intimidating to most people. Two of them coming at you, it would be intimidating even if they were coming to be friendly. And we don’t know how the officer’s dog was reacting to the two other dogs.”

    I don't have many soft spots.....but I do for Newfoundland dogs......big teddy bears.

    The worst part is that I don't believe any discipline was handed out to the cop. Ernie asked the town counsil to suspend him and do an investigation and all they told him is that they would take his opinion into consideration ... which is small town speak for "sorry about your luck".

    I'm not a dog person, but it is easy for me to see how much these dogs meant to him. The worst part is that the cops went to a suspected meth house and didn't have anyone covering the back door ... which would have prevented the suspects from escaping and going through Ernie's property ... which would have prevented an overzealous cop from shooting two dogs in the head.

    I can't confirm it, but someone told me the cop who shot the dogs made a comment on his The Facebook page about proudly shooting two wolves a few days later ... and we don't have any wolves where I live.
    Sad story.

    If someone could so easily shoot dogs like that you have to wonder how long it will be till he "mistakenly" shoots a person.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,957
    I am no cop hater, and I know there are tons of good ones, but cops are getting progressively worse and worse IMO. I think that the people signing up for the police academies are more and more often fucking tough guy rambo types with aggression issues.
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  • rival.rival. Posts: 7,775
    PJ_Soul said:

    I am no cop hater, and I know there are tons of good ones, but cops are getting progressively worse and worse IMO. I think that the people signing up for the police academies are more and more often fucking tough guy rambo types with aggression issues.

    agreed. bottom 5% of high school graduates. enroll in the academy because they can't cut it in college.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rival. said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I am no cop hater, and I know there are tons of good ones, but cops are getting progressively worse and worse IMO. I think that the people signing up for the police academies are more and more often fucking tough guy rambo types with aggression issues.

    agreed. bottom 5% of high school graduates. enroll in the academy because they can't cut it in college.
    true imo
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  • PJ_ROCKSPJ_ROCKS Posts: 6,736
    that just sucks!

    i know what i would do, if someone were to harm my dog!

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    i would save up my poops for a few weeks and then let myself into his/her house and repaint the walls with my shit.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    unsung said:

    Thirty,

    Yes, I pretty much hate cops. Are there good ones? Sure.

    Happy?


    I also hate most politicians, celebrities, mouth-breathers, neocons, socialists, communists, reality tv viewers, big pharma, big agriculture, lobbyists, the NRA, authoritarians, fascists, nihilists, and valley girls.

    In fact I pretty much hate anyone that thinks because they are in a position of power that they can demonstrate it with impunity.

    But I don't hate hippies, hippy chicks are hot. Just as long as they shave their legs. And pits.

    Just the type of guy we want owning an arsenal.

    When you stop posting, i will assume the worst
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