Obama To Sign Executive Orders On Equal Pay

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    buck502000 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    buck502000 said:

    Less government, please.

    are you ok with paying a woman $.77 on the dollar? if so, why? what reasons do you have?
    People do not like to be forced to do things. Where and when it stop?

    yeah the consitution says we don't have to pay people at all if we own them, lets all jump back on the slavery train!!
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  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    uh, no.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    unsung said:

    If it is true I'll take it as FACT, despite your attempts to discredit the article based merely on the source.

    And I am not personally willing to pay anyone, but if they are willing to work for $.77 on the dollar then what's the issue? Equal pay? What if there is a line of willing women applicants at the current pay structure? Are you saying that government knows what's best for them and they have no idea if that money is appropriate compensation?

    Any government that says that people need "this much to survive" can just as easily say that people "only need this much to survive".

    Less government, limited to the Constitution. More government is not the answer.

    I could go along with that last statement if we can agree that what we need is not more government, just better government. I'd say having the government step up and say "Hey, it time to make pay fair for women" is definitely a step in the right direction that way.

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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    I wish it were possible, but you can't really legislate this out of existence. I don't believe, save for very few exceptions, people make a conscious decision to pay women less. There is always a reason. Unconscious bias not withstanding, there will always be a reason someone gets paid less than their counterparts and I am fairly certain no one would ever say it is because they hired a woman.

    Now if the federal gov't wants to make standards for themselves and the contractors they work with I am all for that, but the mom and pop shop around the corner should not be held to the same standards. They could always bar businesses from interstate commerce if they are unwilling to comply with federal standards as part of the commerce clause I suppose. But as my grandpa used to say, "Fair is where you go to buy a pig" and it is not the way of the human world no matter how much we want it to be.

    All of that being said, if I had employees that started at the same time, did the same amount of work in the same job with the same quality, they would be compensated the same way. I don't need a gov't that tells me how to treat people, unfortunately it seems that others do.

    I know they factored in a lot of things as per the article, but did they account for years of service? Someone who starts today doing the same job as me would not be making the same amount, but we would be doing the same job, this would hold true for a man or a woman.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    ^^^ But Mike, isn't it so that some unconscious choices are still wrong? But I don't think we will have to legislate this forever because I honestly believe we are moving toward a matriarchal society. I've read about that elsewhere and will try to find the article. And guys, let's suck it up if that happens- it's not a bad idea.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    matriarchal won't be different. what is the old saying, "absolute power corrupts absolutely"...women will be just as bad as men eventually.

    I am not saying that unconscious decisions and biases aren't "wrong" morally, what I am saying is that unconscious biases are not really going to go away because of legislation. Hopefully this bill helps, I just don't have a whole lot of faith
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    All these businesses are really screwing up, if this pay option is really true why aren't they just dumping all of their male employees and hiring females to reduce their payroll by 23%?

    Probably because there's more to it.
  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    All these businesses are really screwing up, if this pay option is really true why aren't they just dumping all of their male employees and hiring females to reduce their payroll by 23%?

    Probably because there's more to it.

    Great point. Guess we shouldn't attempt to get into the details of why.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    What if I find out that one of my male work colleagues is making more then me for doing the same job?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,839
    So some of you here are ok with lets say your wife not getting payed the same amount as her male coworkers for the same job ok
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Jason P said:

    What if I find out that one of my male work colleagues is making more then me for doing the same job?

    Negotiate.

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    callen said:

    Jason P said:

    What if I find out that one of my male work colleagues is making more then me for doing the same job?

    Negotiate.

    That's so 2013.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I wonder how this will affect a company like Lockheed Martin which has nine locations across the US. I doubt Lockheed is dumb enough to discriminate as it is, but bearing the difference in cost of living from say southern California to Meridian, Mississippi .... would a female worker have claims to get the same pay as a male worker in southern california. And what if one plant is union and another is non-union?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbs-wh-roughed-its-own-pay-equity-rhetoric_786675.html

    Watch video.

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited April 2014
    Jason P said:

    callen said:

    Jason P said:

    What if I find out that one of my male work colleagues is making more then me for doing the same job?

    Negotiate.

    That's so 2013.
    Yeah true. But nothing ventured nothing gained.
    Post edited by callen on
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    josevolution said:

    So some of you here are ok with lets say your wife not getting payed the same amount as her male coworkers for the same job ok

    yeah i absolutely believe that people would not be ok with this in real life, but for the sake of arguing on a website, sure, why not?
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  • STAYSEA
    STAYSEA Posts: 3,814
    I have been amazed by the amount of people that didn't know that men are paid more. image
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    well what do ya know, the GOP blocked the paycheck fairness act in the senate today. the vote was 53-44 in favor of the bill, but did not have the 60 votes needed to overcome a republican filibuster. shocker.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    yippy score one for freedom!
    Unless you're a woman of course.
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