Paternity Leave

unsung

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/04/03/boomer-esiason-rips-mets-infielder-paternity-leave/7248353/

My company allows a father to take two weeks upon the birth of a child. Boomer Esiason opened his mouth, and IMO made inself look like an idiot. Fathers should have equal, or at least some time off for this event.

rgambs

paternity leave is much more common in europe, one of those entitlements conservatives hate so much they have to call it socialism

rgambs

paternity leave is much more common in europe, one of those entitlements conservatives hate so much they have to call it socialism

unsung

Any input to this circumstance? Or is that just a chance to take a shot at conservatives?

gimmesometruth27

consider the source. boomer esiason, marginal nfl qb, even worse commentator.

fathers should be allowed to take time off to be with their wife/g/f and newborn baby without being bashed by anybody.

rgambs

common in europe is input. Conservatives hate it, this is also input. I don't give a shit what a man who got famous playing a childrens game said. There is some more input. This isn't going to be a lively debate brosef, there is nothing to talk about!

hedonist

Why does party always have to come into play and be used as a dig - on either/any side? I don't get it. People can be idiots no matter with whom they're affiliated.

Anyway, I agree with gimme's last sentence - the father/child bond is just as necessary as that of the mother.

As to being paid or not while on leave...got mixed feelings about that.

gimmesometruth27

absentee fathers is a leading cause of psychological issues.

i would think that it would be encouraged that a father be with his newborn to forge that bond as soon as possible.even for just those first couple of days. just my thoughts on the matter i guess.

BinFrog

I think it's hysterical that Boomer has this stance. Having a child is 10,000 times more important than a baseball game or two. He, a father of 2 and former mediocre professional athlete, should know that.

brianlux

unsung said:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/04/03/boomer-esiason-rips-mets-infielder-paternity-leave/7248353/

My company allows a father to take two weeks upon the birth of a child. Boomer Esiason opened his mouth, and IMO made inself look like an idiot. Fathers should have equal, or at least some time off for this event.

Yes, I agree. Good point.

BinFrog

for the record: my company allows a significant amount of time off for paternity leave. for the first week off you get 100% pay based on a week of vaca, then I think the next 3 weeks are 60% pay, but you can supplement with more vaca time to beef up your paycheck...and then after that it's unpaid.

I took a month off for both of my daughters and I regret none of it.

backseatLover12

unsung said:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/04/03/boomer-esiason-rips-mets-infielder-paternity-leave/7248353/

My company allows a father to take two weeks upon the birth of a child. Boomer Esiason opened his mouth, and IMO made inself look like an idiot. Fathers should have equal, or at least some time off for this event.

But that would be SOCIALISM!!!

Laughing aside, if you feel that fathers should have some time off for this event, then perhaps look at things not from a political point of view, as you usually do, and look at things from a human point of view. The thing about you, unsung, is that you are such a strict right sided party player, that it is difficult to read anything you write any other way. This is a start. Good for you.

even flow - question mark

Every woman I know is very, very, thankful they don't live and work in the States. Sorry excuse for freedom.

Drowned Out

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in Canada, we get one year of employment insurance payments from the child's birthdate, to be divided between the parents however they best see fit. This is not paid by the company, but by the government. If both parents want to be off for six months, they can be.
I took off two weeks for the birth of each kid...and because I was the higher income earner, I went back to work after that (I think employment insurance is generally around %60 of your wage). I didn't claim the EI because I had a flexible employer who allowed me to take more holidays those years, and I wanted the kids' mom to be able to take the full year off (this is why I'm not positive I have the rules right - we only used the benefit for one of us).
So look at that....a socialist safety net program that works, and an 'entitled' person who didn't squeeze every possible penny out of it....Funny how that works.

backseatLover12

The U.S. mandates only 6 weeks maternity leave and no paternity leave. Both, if extended, is up to the workplaces of the parents. Some states offer family leave which is unpaid.

mikepegg44

backseatLover12 said:

The U.S. mandates only 6 weeks maternity leave and no paternity leave. Both, if extended, is up to the workplaces of the parents. Some states offer family leave which is unpaid.

I believe it is 6 weeks after the doctor releases you, which generally happens 6 weeks after the birth. total of 12

Either way, it is covered by FMLA federal labor laws, which guarantees up to 12 weeks if I am not mistaken. I can take as much time as my PTO can cover.(insert Christian Bale's "Oh GOOD for you" here) I do not expect a company to pay for it however. It is up to me to plan and provide, but there would be not one person coming between me and being with my children.

and my preachy nature can resist...whether the dad is there for the first 12 weeks means nothing if they aren't there for the next 12 to 18 to 30 years but that is a whole other discussion...

backseatLover12

mikepegg44 said:

backseatLover12 said:

The U.S. mandates only 6 weeks maternity leave and no paternity leave. Both, if extended, is up to the workplaces of the parents. Some states offer family leave which is unpaid.

I believe it is 6 weeks after the doctor releases you, which generally happens 6 weeks after the birth. total of 12

Either way, it is covered by FMLA federal labor laws, which guarantees up to 12 weeks if I am not mistaken. I can take as much time as my PTO can cover.(insert Christian Bale's "Oh GOOD for you" here) I do not expect a company to pay for it however. It is up to me to plan and provide, but there would be not one person coming between me and being with my children.

and my preachy nature can resist...whether the dad is there for the first 12 weeks means nothing if they aren't there for the next 12 to 18 to 30 years but that is a whole other discussion...

Doctor releases you? Dude, you're released when you leave the hospital (2-3 days). Yeah, 12 weeks is covered, but only paid per PTO use or sick leave or whatever you have going with your employment. 6 weeks mandated. That's it. Sarah Palin went back to work before her mandated 6 weeks were up. She's a super woman (I GUESS).

I agree with your last paragraph…

mikepegg44

not the hospital, your primary care doctor/ob-gyn. if you don't mind and I am not asking in a condescending way, but how many kids have you had in the states?
You are absolutely not released in terms of going to back to work in 2-3 days, you can choose to I suppose. Six weeks is the normal amount of short term disability coverage after a birth if your company offers it. FMLA covers 12 weeks unpaid. I am not sure what you are arguing there. There are certainly exceptions to this but losing your job because you had a birth are few and far between situations as far as I know (which isn't much admittedly)

http://www.babycenter.com/404_when-can-i-go-back-to-work-after-delivery_1156149.bc

the link sort of discusses it, but I am just going off of my experience with FMLA as a supervisor and my experience through our children's births

backseatLover12

Ok, I thought you meant something else. Mandated, or, as you put it, released, 6 weeks. (I thought you meant released from the hospital!) That's federally mandated, not company nor state nor per doctor. Unpaid FMLA (family leave act) adds an additional 6 weeks, unpaid, making the total 12.

We live in the worst country in the world for federally mandated (paid) maternity leave.

I have a daughter.

unsung

backseatLover12 said:

unsung said:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/04/03/boomer-esiason-rips-mets-infielder-paternity-leave/7248353/

My company allows a father to take two weeks upon the birth of a child. Boomer Esiason opened his mouth, and IMO made inself look like an idiot. Fathers should have equal, or at least some time off for this event.

But that would be SOCIALISM!!!

Laughing aside, if you feel that fathers should have some time off for this event, then perhaps look at things not from a political point of view, as you usually do, and look at things from a human point of view. The thing about you, unsung, is that you are such a strict right sided party player, that it is difficult to read anything you write any other way. This is a start. Good for you.

I don't know how many more times I need to say it, but you are fairly new here so I won't hold it against you. I used to be a Democrat, I have various reasons why I no longer am, gun control and their support for illegal aliens were the two main reasons I left. However, I have done enough research in that there are really two parties in our political system, but they are not Democrats and Republicans, they are Libertarians and Authoritarians.

See I don't want some general (federal) government lackey telling me what I can or cannot do when I am doing no harm. It is none of their business. Unfortunately most of them, from BOTH sides, think that they have that right. I have little use for them beyond what is expressly authorized by Art 1 Section VIII of the Constitution, those are their enumerated powers what they are allowed to do, anything else was supposed to be left up to the States.

So while I am not for the demise of the general government, I am for a drastic downsizing in line of what the Constitution authorizes them to do.

I am a Constitutionalist/Libertarian primarily, certainly anti-Authoritarian. I'm actually left on most social issues, mostly because it keeps govt out of them. I'll never beg for my rights, and no government can grant them.

gimmesometruth27

this is funny to me coming from boomer, given that he has a child with cystic fibrosis, who required a very significant level of health care its whole life. you run your family the way you want to, let this guy run his his own way.