Civil Liberties in The Age of Obama

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited March 2014 in A Moving Train
A great talk here by Glenn Greenwald.

Glenn Greenwald at Brown with Q&A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikCUHh3Ge_k

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    boooo! boooo! <--- I'm booing satellite internet, it does not allow me to stream videos without offering an infant sacrifice. Moloch is the owner and CEO of Wildblue.
    il have to look for a transcript.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037

    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie

    My pleasure. He certainly knows his sh*t, and is a great public speaker. It's good to know there are people like him in the World who'll fill the gap left when Chomsky finally pops his clogs.

  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    At one point (when the NSA story broke) Glenn would come on CNN and have these mini debates with other guests, generally they were quite entertaining, YouTube has some of them.

    I started listening to the above speech, so far its just really good, but that's expected.

  • riotgrlriotgrl Posts: 1,895
    This. was. awesome! Interesting note, I was at a history conference this past weekend and one of my fellow teachers is also in military intelligence for the Army. He was telling some very scary stories about how our cell phone companies can capture control of your phone at any time. They can scroll through everything on your phone from your text messages to your Facebook. Apparently, they can also listen in to all of your conversations this even includes ones NOT conducted on the phone. Funnily enough, my conference was about liberty and resisting central authority :) Even scarier was how no one, except me, even seemed to care that this could happen.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    riotgrl said:

    This. was. awesome! Interesting note, I was at a history conference this past weekend and one of my fellow teachers is also in military intelligence for the Army. He was telling some very scary stories about how our cell phone companies can capture control of your phone at any time. They can scroll through everything on your phone from your text messages to your Facebook. Apparently, they can also listen in to all of your conversations this even includes ones NOT conducted on the phone. Funnily enough, my conference was about liberty and resisting central authority :) Even scarier was how no one, except me, even seemed to care that this could happen.

    Funny you should say that...

    http://rt.com/usa/nsa-mystic-retro-leak-630/

    NSA recording ‘100 %’ of another country’s phone calls
    March 18, 2014



    A secret spy program developed by the National Security Agency and reported publically for the first time on Tuesday has given the United States the ability to digitally record the contents of each and every phone call occurring across entire nations.

    Citing previously unpublished documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden and statements from individuals with direct knowledge of the effort, the Washington Post’s Barton Gellman and Ashkan Soltani wrote that the US-administered surveillance system is capable of recording “100 percent” of a foreign country’s telephone calls.

    The program, “MYSTIC,” was launched back in 2009, according to the Post, but by 2011 it was ready to be rolled-out at full capacity and was subsequently deployed against at least one target nation. The Post says they are withholding details “that could be used to identify the country where the system is being employed or other countries where its use was envisioned” upon the request of US officials.

    Once it was ready to put to the test in 2011, MYSTIC and its “retrospective retrieval” tool known as RETRO were being used to indiscriminately record “every single” conversation occurring across the entire target country, the Post reported.

    Those calls — “billions,” according to the Post — are stored for 30 days, and the oldest conversations are purged as new ones are logged. Once the content entered the NSA’s system, however, analysts are able to go back and listen in as much as a month later to find information on a person who might never have been suspected of a crime at the time that their initial conversation was collected unbeknownst to them by the US government.

    Unlike the surveillance effort previously exposed by Mr. Snowden in which the US intelligence community compels telecommunication companies for the metadata pertaining to millions of Americans on a regular basis, the latest program to be exposed does more than divulge the basic user info and call duration details provided by metadata. Combined, MYSTIC and RETRO let the NSA collect the actual voiced communications of foreign parties, and without requiring the agency to explain why. Instead, the program systemically logs actual content, which the NSA can choose to disseminate at a later time if and when it decides to.

    The Post said that documents provided by Mr. Snowden, a former systems administrator who has exposed a number of previously secret NSA programs since last June, was corroborated by government officials, including one senior manager who equated the surveillance system’s capabilities as being akin to a “time machine.”

    By storing that data in a 30 day buffer, the NSA is allowed to get a glimpse “into the past,” according to an excerpt of an official summary quoted by Gellman and Soltani, enabling analysts to “retrieve audio of interest that was not tasked at the time of the original call.”

    “No other NSA program disclosed to date has swallowed a nation’s telephone network whole,” the journalists acknowledged.

    And soon, they added, the surveillance could spread elsewhere. According to the Post reporters, classified documents disclosed by Snowden suggest that blanketing spy programs could be extended to other countries abroad “if it has not been already.” One document reportedly suggests that MYSTIC was planned to be put in place across six countries as of last October.

    But while the NSA is barred from specifically targeting the conversations of Americans by way of blanketing spy programs such as MYSTIC, the Post warned that US persons are most certainly having their cell phone conversations sucked up if they call seemingly anyone located in a country where the program is carried out.

    “Present and former US officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to provide context for a classified program, acknowledged that large numbers of conversations involving Americans would be gathered from the country where RETRO operates,” the Post reported. “The NSA does not attempt to filter out their calls, defining them as communications ‘acquired incidentally as a result of collection directed against appropriate foreign intelligence targets.’”

  • riotgrlriotgrl Posts: 1,895
    This guy said it included conversations conducted between two people sitting across the table from each other, speaking face to face NOT on the phone. That is terrifying that they have the capability to listen to a conversation not conducted on your phone but simply sitting beside you on the table. He said he lets his phone battery completely die before saying anything he doesn't want heard.

    Our civil liberties are being compromised every day and we really don't seem to care :(
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2014
    Congress Passes Bill Granting “Unlimited Access To Private Communications Of Every American” Without Legal Process

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/congress-passes-bill-granting-unlimited-access-to-private-communications-of-every-american-without-legal-process/5419281

    According to Congressman Justin Amash, Congress just passed a bill which grants the government and law enforcement “unlimited access to the communications of every American”.

    When the Michigan lawmaker discovered that the Intelligence Authorization Act for FY 2015 had been amended with a provision that authorizes “the acquisition, retention, and dissemination” of all communications data from U.S. citizens, he desperately attempted to organize a roll call vote on the bill.

    However, the legislation was passed yesterday 325-100 via a voice vote, a green light for what Amash describes as “one of the most egregious sections of law I’ve encountered during my time as a representative”.

    The bill allows the private communications of Americans to be scooped up without a court order and then transferred to law enforcement for criminal investigations.

    The legislation effectively codifies and legalizes mass warrantless NSA surveillance on the American people, with barely a whimper of debate.
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Byrnzie said:

    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie

    My pleasure. He certainly knows his sh*t, and is a great public speaker. It's good to know there are people like him in the World who'll fill the gap left when Chomsky finally pops his clogs.

    Damn I miss this guys posts. Opened thread and was almost pleasantly surprised but no............

    JC see your on roll. Don't agree with you on some things but please keep hammering away.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    callen said:

    Byrnzie said:

    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie

    My pleasure. He certainly knows his sh*t, and is a great public speaker. It's good to know there are people like him in the World who'll fill the gap left when Chomsky finally pops his clogs.

    Damn I miss this guys posts. Opened thread and was almost pleasantly surprised but no............

    JC see your on roll. Don't agree with you on some things but please keep hammering away.
    I only have a few posts left, I may use them all up today.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    Byrnzie said:

    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie

    My pleasure. He certainly knows his sh*t, and is a great public speaker. It's good to know there are people like him in the World who'll fill the gap left when Chomsky finally pops his clogs.

    Damn I miss this guys posts. Opened thread and was almost pleasantly surprised but no............

    JC see your on roll. Don't agree with you on some things but please keep hammering away.
    I only have a few posts left, I may use them all up today.
    :D:D

    I'll transfer my extras to you.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    callen said:

    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    Byrnzie said:

    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie

    My pleasure. He certainly knows his sh*t, and is a great public speaker. It's good to know there are people like him in the World who'll fill the gap left when Chomsky finally pops his clogs.

    Damn I miss this guys posts. Opened thread and was almost pleasantly surprised but no............

    JC see your on roll. Don't agree with you on some things but please keep hammering away.
    I only have a few posts left, I may use them all up today.
    :D:D

    I'll transfer my extras to you.
    I'll use 1 of my remaining posts on this...your fucking avi should be unofficially retired to byrnzie, no one but he should use it. Show some respect.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2014
    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    Byrnzie said:

    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie

    My pleasure. He certainly knows his sh*t, and is a great public speaker. It's good to know there are people like him in the World who'll fill the gap left when Chomsky finally pops his clogs.

    Damn I miss this guys posts. Opened thread and was almost pleasantly surprised but no............

    JC see your on roll. Don't agree with you on some things but please keep hammering away.
    I only have a few posts left, I may use them all up today.
    :D:D

    I'll transfer my extras to you.
    I'll use 1 of my remaining posts on this...your fucking avi should be unofficially retired to byrnzie, no one but he should use it. Show some respect.
    The opposite, show of respect to fly his flag. Would not have used without his blessing.

    Also reminder to those sensitive ones that where offended and though have love for mods, show of my disagreement with decision.

    But let's not derail and or get this thread locked.
    Post edited by callen on
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    callen said:

    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    Byrnzie said:

    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie

    My pleasure. He certainly knows his sh*t, and is a great public speaker. It's good to know there are people like him in the World who'll fill the gap left when Chomsky finally pops his clogs.

    Damn I miss this guys posts. Opened thread and was almost pleasantly surprised but no............

    JC see your on roll. Don't agree with you on some things but please keep hammering away.
    I only have a few posts left, I may use them all up today.
    :D:D

    I'll transfer my extras to you.
    I'll use 1 of my remaining posts on this...your fucking avi should be unofficially retired to byrnzie, no one but he should use it. Show some respect.
    The opposite, show of respect to fly his flag. Would not have used without his blessing.

    Also reminder to those sensitive ones that where offended and though have love for mods, show of my disagreement with decision.

    But let's not derail and or get this thread locked.
    Fly his flag? BS, it isn't Jackie Robinson, it's jersey/avi retirement
    "Lock this mutha fucker down"
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    JC29856 said:

    callen said:

    Byrnzie said:

    fascinating. Guys got guts

    Thanks Byrnzie

    My pleasure. He certainly knows his sh*t, and is a great public speaker. It's good to know there are people like him in the World who'll fill the gap left when Chomsky finally pops his clogs.

    Damn I miss this guys posts. Opened thread and was almost pleasantly surprised but no............

    JC see your on roll. Don't agree with you on some things but please keep hammering away.
    I only have a few posts left, I may use them all up today.
    :D:D

    I'll transfer my extras to you.
    I'll use 1 of my remaining posts on this...your fucking avi should be unofficially retired to byrnzie, no one but he should use it. Show some respect.
    The opposite, show of respect to fly his flag. Would not have used without his blessing.

    Also reminder to those sensitive ones that where offended and though have love for mods, show of my disagreement with decision.

    But let's not derail and or get this thread locked.
    Fly his flag? BS, it isn't Jackie Robinson, it's jersey/avi retirement
    "Lock this mutha fucker down"
    Have to go better than that to get your lock.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
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