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unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
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Good for her.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/mom-opens-fire-on-home-invaders-in-detroit-to-defend-children
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    sooo ... your agenda of accessibility to guns makes you celebrate a story like this? ... so sad ...
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    A mother that is willing and able to defend her family from three thugs; yeah there's a lot to celebrate about that.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    what mother isn't?

    do you think the primary purpose of the thugs was to physically hurt the mother and her children?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    you may think that the world is a safer place now if everyone is armed but that simply isn't true ... so, now - the thugs are going to come with more guns and shoot her first ... and we have an arms race ... you see what the nuclear arms race did for us right?

    it's like the SUV argument ... people driving SUVs because they think they are safer because they are bigger and can see above small cars ... well, they had to keep making them bigger and bigger ...

    if the problem is armed robbery - the solution is not to arm people ... the solution is to decrease the desire for armed robbery ... the answer to that is not guns ...
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Would you have preferred that those three had success in their venture? It sure sounds like it.
  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    I commend you on being able to twist anything anyone says to suit your purposes.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    nice story. she did good

    polaris, you're comparing SUV's, the nuclear arms race & home security? this is what you're doing, yes/no?
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    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    unsung said:

    Would you have preferred that those three had success in their venture? It sure sounds like it.


    #-o

    ok ... i will type the words that should be obvious ...

    NO - I do not want the invaders to have been successful ... I also do not believe that physical harm to her and her children were their intent ... I also do not believe potentially killing someone is worth defending your tv and jewelery over ...

    what I AM trying to get across is that arming people may seem like a way of protecting one self but it does not address the crux of the problem ...

    this happened in Detroit where the economy has gone to shits and the gap between the haves and have nots is enormous ... unemployment is very high and the city's ability to deliver services is impacted by the fact it is essentially broke ...

    do you want to live in a society where people are shooting at each other every day/night? do you like the idea of the old wild west kind of justice? everyone carries a piece and let's settle our differences with a good ole' fashioned shootout?

    what kind of society are you trying to defend here?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick said:

    nice story. she did good

    polaris, you're comparing SUV's, the nuclear arms race & home security? this is what you're doing, yes/no?

    yes
  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    I think it's time everyone re-read The Butter Battle Book
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    Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited February 2014
    where did it say she took direct aim at the intruders? to me it reads 'warning shots fired' which means, i have a gun & can use it, if you wanna mess around here you'll get hurt or worse, i'm not playin with you.

    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    by the way, any woman in the city of detroit at home with children or alone should have a gun in the house to use for protection. vice president biden said get a shotgun for home security... that is a wonderful idea
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    Maybe we should be looking at some of the causes of gun violence. Poverty being a huge one. But some would rather get distracted by the more hot button issues.

  • jmuscatellojmuscatello Colorado Posts: 332
    dignin said:

    Maybe we should be looking at some of the causes of gun violence. Poverty being a huge one. But some would rather get distracted by the more hot button issues

    guns distract me every time because I wish there were fewer of them
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    polaris_x said:

    what mother isn't?

    do you think the primary purpose of the thugs was to physically hurt the mother and her children?

    Who cares what their primary purpose was? We can ascertain that after the fact and from afar much easier than if we were in the moment.

    The mother was within her right to defend herself- especially being inside of her home. When you expressed shooting someone for trying to take your jewellery is poor, are you suggesting she should have bundled her kids up and allowed the intrusion to occur? Some of these 'intrusions' go badly for the homeowner. Are you thinking she should have rolled the dice that this one wasn't going to go badly for her?
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    chadwick said:

    where did it say she took direct aim at the intruders? to me it reads 'warning shots fired' which means, i have a gun & can use it, if you wanna mess around here you'll get hurt or worse, i'm not playin with you.

    Yup. And who knows what anyone's intent is when they break in to your home?

    Recalling the panic she felt, the mom says "I let them know I had a gun once they were in the house. They said no you don't so I shot off the first round. I wasn't feeling anything at the moment, I got scared afterwards."

    Seems she did alright here.
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    chadwick said:

    by the way, any woman in the city of detroit at home with children or alone should have a gun in the house to use for protection. vice president biden said get a shotgun for home security... that is a wonderful idea

    The reality is that, sadly, it's probably a good idea: get a shotgun for protection.

    I have always been for gun legislation, but maintained such a basic right; however, given a shotgun will suffice nicely for the scenario Unsung has presented to push his cause, I think that there is no place for the AR-15 or a 9mm handgun. You only need such weaponry to commit murder or shoot beer cans- neither outweigh the risks associated with such weaponry on the streets.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    meanwhile, in america, people are still needlessly and/or accidently killed by gunfire every day.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,384
    I always feel warm and fuzzy when we have another gun thread because as we all know, happiness is a warm gun, bang bang, shoot shoot.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Mother Superior, jump the gun.

    I totally support what this woman did, and not sure this would fall under the yet-another-gun-thread scenario.

    Sometimes that self-protection actually works; acknowledging it takes nothing away from the fuckwads who have no idea of the responsibility they must possess with those arms.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Polaris:

    Like your analogy of SUV’s and guns.

    Selfishness blinds people to what is good for society and all be damned if the whole country goes to shit as long as they get theirs. Hope the mom and kids move cause next time they’re coming in blazing.

    As to arming the whole population, well I drive with my fellow citizens, stand behind them in fast food lines, rock out with them at concerts and sorry, 95% can’t handle the responsibility of gun ownership.

    May take a while, but as people that desire guns have a higher chance of dying by guns, Darwinism will ultimately remove the fear gene from the pool.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    chadwick said:

    by the way, any woman in the city of detroit at home with children or alone should have a gun in the house to use for protection. vice president biden said get a shotgun for home security... that is a wonderful idea

    And then every time a burglar breaks into a house, one more gun is in hands of a criminal.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    callen said:

    chadwick said:

    by the way, any woman in the city of detroit at home with children or alone should have a gun in the house to use for protection. vice president biden said get a shotgun for home security... that is a wonderful idea

    And then every time a burglar breaks into a house, one more gun is in hands of a criminal.
    But that didn't happen this time. In fact, one of the teenage dipshits left his gun in the house.

  • jmuscatellojmuscatello Colorado Posts: 332
    edited February 2014
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    gimmesometruth27 said:

    meanwhile, in america, people are still needlessly and/or accidently killed by gunfire every day.

    if we started a thread every time there was an accidental death or suicide in a household with a gun, well there'd be a lot of new threads to read here
    I am glad it worked out for this woman, but if my safest option is to have a shotgun in the house (anyone know if this woman's was locked up?), I'll take my chances unarmed. I couldn't live with myself if my need to gun up caused a tragedy.

    Post edited by jmuscatello on
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    they need to teach self defense in PE class in schools. that is all there is to it. i had a few mma fights in 2008 and 2009. before 2007 i had always run from a fight. there has to be a better way of protecting ourselves.
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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    they need to teach self defense in PE class in schools. that is all there is to it. i had a few mma fights in 2008 and 2009. before 2007 i had always run from a fight. there has to be a better way of protecting ourselves.

    I like this idea. Everything should not be about living in fear and relying on firearms as the only weapon for defense.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I'm all for gun control. But this woman seems to be a responsible gun owner. Which made all the difference here between life and death for both the assailants and the victims.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited February 2014
    Here's the thing... stories like this can easily go either way... hero or villian.
    This is a story of a hero... where the gun owner is there to protect children. But, there are stories where the gun owner is the villian... such as this one:
    http://news.yahoo.com/39-feel-accountable-39-regret-dad-whose-gun-181719089--abc-news-topstories.html;_ylt=AwrSyCNCRAZTcVMAtZ3QtDMD
    "His daughter, Cierra, 9, and her 10-year-old friend Eric Klyaz had been handling his gun - a 9 mm pistol - when it went off. Eric was killed.
    Francis said he kept the unloaded gun stored in a box in the garage with the ammunition kept separate. The prosecutor argued that the gun had been loaded."
    ...
    I guess my point is, we can credit some people and blame others regarding the presence of guns in households with children. No matter how well we plan to train our kids of the dangers of guns and teach gun safety (reference Adam Landza), the fact remains, as long as humans remain in the equation, errors are a great probability.
    This original story would have never been posted is the story went the other way and one of the children brought the gun to school. In that case, the mother would not be held as a hero, right?
    ...
    And I suppose another point is this... these types of stories support neither side of the gun debate. They are alll anecdotal, at best. For every story that is brought about that supports one side... there is another story to counter it... regardless of which side you support. Gun supporters will only present those stories that support their side of the arguement and gun control advocates willl only provide stories that support their view. The rest of us need to take them all for what they are worth.
    Post edited by Cosmo on
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    they need to teach self defense in PE class in schools. that is all there is to it. i had a few mma fights in 2008 and 2009. before 2007 i had always run from a fight. there has to be a better way of protecting ourselves.

    Well next time three men break into this woman's house she can tell them she knows MMA. I'm sure the situation will end exactly the same. Positively.

  • jmuscatellojmuscatello Colorado Posts: 332
    I'm taking this one for what it's worth, to me - a very isolated success story for the gun fondlers, an outlier.
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