Kelly Thomas

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in A Moving Train
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-78953707/

What no outrage for him here? I wonder why. I guess this gives police a free pass, again.

Full video for those interested, I doubt this will reach the 67 pages that the Florida thug received.

http://m.ocregister.com/video/v/1628003509001/crime-fullerton-government
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    what are you implying here?

    i haven't heard of this story until now ... read the wikipedia page on the incident ... definitely seems fucked up ...
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Implying? I'm asking why a thug can bash someone's head into the concrete but the victim isn't allowed to defend himself vs why cops can murder a homeless person and there's not a peep.

    Does that clear it up?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    yes and no ... the way i read it - it seems you are implying that people on here are police violence enablers ...

    is it not possible that no one actually has heard of the story? ... wouldn't it make more sense for you to post it and then see the reaction? ...
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    You are making typical false assumptions, here. We are outraged. So, what if we do not entertain you with our anger?
    Personallly, i live in that part of Orange County... I know the area... I've been to the SlideBar... I am close to this story.... and no one I know is giving the police a free ride on this. That is all in your head.
    And the only similarity I can derive from this case and the Trayvon Martin case is the attitude of gun toting ego maniacs out looking to put a big hurt on the 'Scum of Society' by playing the ultimate authority figure role.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    unsung said:

    http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-78953707/

    What no outrage for him here? I wonder why. I guess this gives police a free pass, again.

    Full video for those interested, I doubt this will reach the 67 pages that the Florida thug received.

    http://m.ocregister.com/video/v/1628003509001/crime-fullerton-government

    Why is it that thug is always used to describe a young black man/boy?

  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    dignin said:

    unsung said:

    http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-78953707/
    What no outrage for him here? I wonder why. I guess this gives police a free pass, again.
    Full video for those interested, I doubt this will reach the 67 pages that the Florida thug received.
    http://m.ocregister.com/video/v/1628003509001/crime-fullerton-government

    Why is it that thug is always used to describe a young black man/boy?
    ...
    Short answer: To classify them as sub-human, therefore, easier to justify killing them.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Yeah, no parallels, no free ride, and honestly, strikes me as an angry and far reach.

    I don't even think this has anything to do with guns. Or thugs, or being black.

    Why were these analogies even drawn?

    The video that's been shown over and over makes my heart break for this kid.

  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hedonist said:

    Yeah, no parallels, no free ride, and honestly, strikes me as an angry and far reach.

    I don't even think this has anything to do with guns. Or thugs, or being black.

    Why were these analogies even drawn?

    The video that's been shown over and over makes my heart break for this kid.

    ...
    I agree. This was basically, assholes letting authority totally take over and human cruelty at its worst. They figured that no one would miss or even care about a homeless guy and used that justification to play with their bullshit weapons as toys. These guys needed to go to prison and the whole thing still makes me ill.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Cosmo said:

    dignin said:

    unsung said:

    http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-78953707/
    What no outrage for him here? I wonder why. I guess this gives police a free pass, again.
    Full video for those interested, I doubt this will reach the 67 pages that the Florida thug received.
    http://m.ocregister.com/video/v/1628003509001/crime-fullerton-government

    Why is it that thug is always used to describe a young black man/boy?
    ...
    Short answer: To classify them as sub-human, therefore, easier to justify killing them.
    Reminded me of this recent event

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24417234
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Cosmo said:

    You are making typical false assumptions, here. We are outraged. So, what if we do not entertain you with our anger?
    Personallly, i live in that part of Orange County... I know the area... I've been to the SlideBar... I am close to this story.... and no one I know is giving the police a free ride on this. That is all in your head.
    And the only similarity I can derive from this case and the Trayvon Martin case is the attitude of gun toting ego maniacs out looking to put a big hurt on the 'Scum of Society' by playing the ultimate authority figure role.

    No one giving them a free ride... except a jury.

    Actually the gun topic never entered my mind, Mr Thomas wasn't armed.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    dignin said:

    Cosmo said:

    dignin said:

    unsung said:

    http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-78953707/
    What no outrage for him here? I wonder why. I guess this gives police a free pass, again.
    Full video for those interested, I doubt this will reach the 67 pages that the Florida thug received.
    http://m.ocregister.com/video/v/1628003509001/crime-fullerton-government

    Why is it that thug is always used to describe a young black man/boy?
    ...
    Short answer: To classify them as sub-human, therefore, easier to justify killing them.
    Reminded me of this recent event

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24417234

    Yawn. Thug has nothing to do with race. Keep playing that card, it never gets old.

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    i thought when you said "thug" you meant Zimmerman since he was the aggressor in a violent confrontation...trayvon was the victim, you champion the right to defend oneself while ignoring that this is precisely what trayvon was doing when he was stalked by a grown man in a place he had every right to be. somebody follows me around at night i defend myself.simple.

    YAWN. keep objectifying those you don't care for, it never gets old.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Actually I would agree with that, they are both thugs.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung said:

    Cosmo said:

    You are making typical false assumptions, here. We are outraged. So, what if we do not entertain you with our anger?
    Personallly, i live in that part of Orange County... I know the area... I've been to the SlideBar... I am close to this story.... and no one I know is giving the police a free ride on this. That is all in your head.
    And the only similarity I can derive from this case and the Trayvon Martin case is the attitude of gun toting ego maniacs out looking to put a big hurt on the 'Scum of Society' by playing the ultimate authority figure role.

    No one giving them a free ride... except a jury.

    Actually the gun topic never entered my mind, Mr Thomas wasn't armed.
    ...
    Don't try to backpeddle your way out of this one... you were asking where is the outrage... HERE, on the Moving Train. You actually compared it to the the message thread on Trayvon Martin... HERE... on this forum page. From what I know... the Kelly Thomas Jury does not post here in the Moving Train.
    ...
    And let me add... Trayvon Martin was not armed, either. Both Martin and Thomas were murdered by gun toting douchebags with feelings of exerting their authority (real and perceieved) over the lives of others.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Well...

    I just saw the video.

    Amazing that not one of those officers intervened at some point suggesting something along the lines of, "Fellas... we need to chill. This is out of hand."

    This scene was nothing more than a frenzied mob gleefully, maliciously and sadistically taking turns hurting him. How useless is shouting commands while they are tasering him? "Yeah yeah. I'll comply while these megavolts are running through my body!"

    Fire them all. Press charges against them all. Hold people accountable for their poor decisions.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Well...

    I just saw the video.

    Amazing that not one of those officers intervened at some point suggesting something along the lines of, "Fellas... we need to chill. This is out of hand."

    This scene was nothing more than a frenzied mob gleefully, maliciously and sadistically taking turns hurting him. How useless is shouting commands while they are tasering him? "Yeah yeah. I'll comply while these megavolts are running through my body!"

    Fire them all. Press charges against them all. Hold people accountable for their poor decisions.

    Yeah, it's disgusting. I have the utmost respect for officers who do their job according to the law they enforce and who respect the very people they have sworn to protect and serve BUT this guy, or these guys, are the definition of PIGS. Fucking disgusting and shameful.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Just some background...
    The parking lot where this all took place is shared by several businesses, such as the SlideBar Restaurant, O.C. Transit (bus) and AmTrak/Santa Fe, Fullerton, CA. Kelly Thomas is a regular in the area, as are several regular homeless people who use the Transit Zone as shelter. Patrons of the SlideBar report a homeless man 'breaking into cars' in the parking lot late one night. SlideBar manager calls Fullerton P.D. to investigate. Fullerton P.D. is often called to this area, being right downtown, in a busy transit center with several bars and other businesses.
    Turns out, there are no cars being broken into at this time. Mr. Thomas is collecting cigarettes butts in the parking lot to pull the unsmoked tobacco so it can be rolled into cigarettes for later use. Although, there have been cars broken into in the past, by who knows who... homeless or otherwise, it is undetermined.
    Local businesses' have long complained to the City of Fullerton, Fullerton P.D., O.C. Transit Authority and AmTrak about the homeless population drawn to the transit zone. Patrons of those business also complain about the homeless people asking for hand outs as they frequent places, such as the SlideBar.
    Fullerton P.D. responds and are alerted to Mr. Thomas by SlideBar employees. No one is sure if Thomas is the one reported by patrons or just a target of opportunity.
    Fullerton P.D. murders Thomas.
    ...
    There are a lot of contributing factors... businesses, business owners, employees, patrons, police, homelessness...
    So, have you ever felt indifference towards homeless people? Join the club, because most people probably have felt the same way as the people who thought a homeless guy was up to no good. No one feels he should have been murdered... but, we really need to do something to keep people like Mr. Thomas safe. Exactly what should we do? I have no idea.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Yeah, the last part, Cosmo...I don't know either. I wish I did.

    Living/working in West Hollywood, my path crosses with many homeless people...some I call "regulars" - see them often, give them some food or money when I can. Most are peaceful and gentle - they just want to eat and keep warm - and while I see lucidity, comprehension, in the eyes of some, there's also a disconnect and sad sad sense of loss in others.

    Those are the ones I worry about most. Refusing help, maybe not even comprehending that they need some kind of help.

    They're the ones who could become another Kelly Thomas.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited February 2014
    Cosmo said:

    Just some background...
    The parking lot where this all took place is shared by several businesses, such as the SlideBar Restaurant, O.C. Transit (bus) and AmTrak/Santa Fe, Fullerton, CA. Kelly Thomas is a regular in the area, as are several regular homeless people who use the Transit Zone as shelter. Patrons of the SlideBar report a homeless man 'breaking into cars' in the parking lot late one night. SlideBar manager calls Fullerton P.D. to investigate. Fullerton P.D. is often called to this area, being right downtown, in a busy transit center with several bars and other businesses.
    Turns out, there are no cars being broken into at this time. Mr. Thomas is collecting cigarettes butts in the parking lot to pull the unsmoked tobacco so it can be rolled into cigarettes for later use. Although, there have been cars broken into in the past, by who knows who... homeless or otherwise, it is undetermined.
    Local businesses' have long complained to the City of Fullerton, Fullerton P.D., O.C. Transit Authority and AmTrak about the homeless population drawn to the transit zone. Patrons of those business also complain about the homeless people asking for hand outs as they frequent places, such as the SlideBar.
    Fullerton P.D. responds and are alerted to Mr. Thomas by SlideBar employees. No one is sure if Thomas is the one reported by patrons or just a target of opportunity.
    Fullerton P.D. murders Thomas.
    ...
    There are a lot of contributing factors... businesses, business owners, employees, patrons, police, homelessness...
    So, have you ever felt indifference towards homeless people? Join the club, because most people probably have felt the same way as the people who thought a homeless guy was up to no good. No one feels he should have been murdered... but, we really need to do something to keep people like Mr. Thomas safe. Exactly what should we do? I have no idea.

    I can honestly say that I do my 'small' part to assist with helping the homeless people. I frequently give cash (not change), buy meals for, and buy coffees for the ones in my town. I have some regulars that may or may not recognize me. I don't do it for any reason other than to be able to live with myself. I don't scoff at these people- I understand that they were all once eager children in an elementary class... vying for the right to answer a question with their peers. Something happened along the way and they lost themselves.

    I recall one time, it was -20. My son and I were in the Wendy's drive thru and the saddest looking 20-22 year old male shuffled by with a blanket, making his way to somewhere. I gave him 5 or 10 dollars and then we proceeded on our way. My son asked why I felt the need to do that. I replied that this boy was someone's son and if he (my son) ever was in the same situation, I would only hope that someone would look out for him and try to help in the smallest way as well.

    I still recall my son saying, "Dad, he didn't even look like that bad of a guy. It just looked like he needed somebody."
    Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    I agree with your outrage over this issue, unsung, what happened really sucks but to answer your question, "Why no outrage," for me it's because I don't get outraged over something before I've heard about it. Your approach at the onset of this thread seems to be meant to be an attach here instead of an observation or an attempt to give out information-that in of itself could motivate some mild outrage. Some of us might not all always agree with you on everything but you're not the enemy and neither are we. I'm guessing most of us are sympathetic with the plight of the homeless and most of us not support police brutality. So why always on the attack?
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