Local weather is not the same as global climate.

A simple fact that is well stated in this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/welcome-global-weirding-104500970--politics.html

So much for “HotLanta.” Georgia is starting to look a lot like the opening scene from The Day After Tomorrow. The governor has declared a state of emergency for 89 counties as a wave of “crippling ice” befalls much of The Peach State in a storm the National Weather Service warns, “may be of historic proportions.” This statewide IcePocalypseMageddon occurs a little more than a week after Georgia’s last devastating ice storm, when the National Guard was called in to aid thousands of people stranded in their homes, vehicles, and schools. A few weeks prior, the polar vortex dropped temperatures from Chicago to Mexico, breaking more than 50 records and leaving Minneapolis with sub-zero temperatures for 62 straight hours. In short, America’s 2014 weather has gone from Winter Wonderland to Class 3 Kill Storm.

That U.S. weather patterns seem more at home in the Book of Revelation than February hasn’t made an impact on Senator Ted Cruz, who joked to attendees of the Conservative Policy Summit about the nip in the air: “Al Gore told me this wouldn’t happen.” This sentiment has been echoed across social media by climate-change skeptics:

The “If global warming is real, then why is it cold out?” line of argument has been around since the early days of the climate change debate, but the positively Hoth-esque temperatures have increased the volume of those hoping to undercut the “inconvenient truth” of anthropogenic global warming. So, does the recent spate of cold snaps prove Al Gore a filthy, PowerPoint-loving, Oscar-winning liar? No. Sorry, Donald.

Most obviously, climate is different than weather—that’s why the Midwest and Northeast have faced three snowstorms in the past two weeks while the drought in California has been so severe that water deliveries from reservoirs to the Central Valley have been cut to zero. Climate trends are exactly that: trends. One swallow doesn’t make a summer, and one blisteringly cold month doesn’t prove 97 percent of climate scientists wrong.Another key component of “global warming” is right there in the name: “global.” In December 2013, North America was colder than average, but Russia and most of Europe were far hotter. Despite what Ted Cruz thinks (or wants), the world extends beyond the continental United States, and most of it has been crazy hot. For every cold snap in the U.S., there’s a wildfire in Australia so intense that it creates its own weather.

It’s also important to note that although, baby, it’s cold outside, it’s not nearly as cold as it was generations ago. The East River froze at least a dozen times between 1780 and 1888. In fact, after a particularly hard winter in 1866-1867, frustration with halted ferry service eventually led to the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge. As webcomic xkcd noted, St. Louis, once the frozen home to a handful of sub-zero temperatures every year, hasn’t had a day that cold since the 1990s. That’s the thing about extreme weather: It’s extreme. The colds get colder, the hots get hotter, and the hurricanes get more destructive.

The global trend is clear: The average global surface temperature has risen roughly three-quarters of a degree Celsius since 1899. Year-to-year variation, however, is another set of data altogether. Rises in global temperature aren’t linear. Some years, average global temperatures rise sharply; other years, they fall or stay the same (some of this can be attributed to El Niño weather anomalies). Volcanic eruptions, solar flares, and yes, polar vortexes can all affect surface temperature.

Hard scientific proof hasn’t been able to melt the resolve of skeptics, however. According to the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, the percentage of Americans who believe global warming is happening has dropped seven points, a number that’s bound to go up after this latest deep freeze: The results were “likely influenced by the relatively cold winter of 2012-13 in the United States and an unusually cold March just before the survey was conducted.” Fortunately, the number of Americans who refuse to believe in climate change’s existence at all is a relatively small 16 percent. For those whose opinions are frozen in time: Let it go.
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Comments

  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Funny, there's story after story trying to sell that theory.

    Has the climate been changed by man? Yes. I don't believe it's as dramatic as they want you to think though.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    unsung said:

    Funny, there's story after story trying to sell that theory.

    Has the climate been changed by man? Yes. I don't believe it's as dramatic as they want you to think though.

    "They" being 97% of published scientists. Sheesh...

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    There have been climate change supporters on here who have tried to use local weather events as support for the theories.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I'll be more in favor when they start cracking down on China's pollution instead of destroying our industries alone.
  • unsung said:

    I'll be more in favor when they start cracking down on China's pollution instead of destroying our industries alone.

    Heaven forbid one actually takes the measures they have control over to stop the building crisis.

    This was a juvenile response- essentially saying, "Well they aren't doing anything so why should we?"

    Geez man... how does anything get accomplished if nobody takes the lead in change efforts?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Yeah, let's destroy our energy industry, lose thousands of good paying careers, and have home energy prices go through the roof so we can stake the leader claim.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,605
    short term gain so fuck the long term consequences. Go Murica.
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  • This quote in the article sums up AMT: Hard scientific proof hasn’t been able to melt the resolve of skeptics, however.

    This is good as well: Fortunately, the number of Americans who refuse to believe in climate change’s existence at all is a relatively small 16 percent. For those whose opinions are frozen in time: Let it go.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051

    This quote in the article sums up AMT: Hard scientific proof hasn’t been able to melt the resolve of skeptics, however.

    This is good as well: Fortunately, the number of Americans who refuse to believe in climate change’s existence at all is a relatively small 16 percent. For those whose opinions are frozen in time: Let it go.

    Thank you! It seems that most people do get it and I would not deny that 16% their right to remain uneducated and in denial. I guess some people are just more comfortable that way. When reality does set it- ouch!

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Refusing to believe in climate change's existence is not the same thing as doubting how much we understand about it.

    And doubting our knowledge of it does not automatically mean a person favors harming the environment.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Skepticism is healthy. Stating that we always have more to learn is wise. But ignoring what is well documented and widely agreed upon regarding global warming as climate change is naive at best, foolish at its most perilous worst.
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  • brianlux said:

    This quote in the article sums up AMT: Hard scientific proof hasn’t been able to melt the resolve of skeptics, however.

    This is good as well: Fortunately, the number of Americans who refuse to believe in climate change’s existence at all is a relatively small 16 percent. For those whose opinions are frozen in time: Let it go.

    Thank you! It seems that most people do get it and I would not deny that 16% their right to remain uneducated and in denial. I guess some people are just more comfortable that way. When reality does set it- ouch!

    Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed. ~ Nietzsche
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    unsung said:

    Yeah, let's destroy our energy industry, lose thousands of good paying careers, and have home energy prices go through the roof so we can stake the leader claim.

    ya ... let's destroy the planet ... create mass suffering ... so we can protect the fucking ridiculous CEO bonuses of these big multinational corporations ...

    jobs!?? ... you gotta be fucking kidding me? ... this notion of economy and jobs is the biggest fraud out there ... makes gov'ts hand out billions of dollars; causes social consequences that cost the people money ... and who really benefits!? ... these fucking executives making millions ...

    just because a business employs people is no grounds for sustaining it ... especially if the consequences of that industry is a net negative ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    and more importantly as it relates to this thread ... LOCAL WEATHER is indeed related to Global Warming ... i will try to explain ...

    Global Warming is the problem ... climate change is a symptom or consequence of global warming ... by artificially increasing the temperature of the planet (global warming) we are affecting many things such as the amount of sea ice that forms which in turn affects albedo and so on ... as it relates to local weather ... temperature is the single biggest variable affecting weather (not the only thing) ... temperature affects barometric pressure ... which in turn affects wind and so on ... weather is essentially caused by the variances of temperature from place to place ... as a mechanism for the earth trying to balance itself ... so, if we are artificially warming the planet in various regions - one of the consequences is indeed affecting local weather patterns ... what we need to understand is that it isn't always going to be indicated by being hotter ... as has been written numerous times ... we are going to experience more extreme weather events ... that has already come to fruition ...
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    Yeah, let's destroy our energy industry, lose thousands of good paying careers, and have home energy prices go through the roof so we can stake the leader claim.

    ya ... let's destroy the planet ... create mass suffering ... so we can protect the fucking ridiculous CEO bonuses of these big multinational corporations ...

    jobs!?? ... you gotta be fucking kidding me? ... this notion of economy and jobs is the biggest fraud out there ... makes gov'ts hand out billions of dollars; causes social consequences that cost the people money ... and who really benefits!? ... these fucking executives making millions ...

    just because a business employs people is no grounds for sustaining it ... especially if the consequences of that industry is a net negative ...
    unsung said:

    Yeah, let's destroy our energy industry, lose thousands of good paying careers, and have home energy prices go through the roof so we can stake the leader claim.



    where will these thousands of jobs disappear to? are we gonna shut everything down at once?? we will still need energy and we will still need to pay people to produce it duh!! it will take almost a generation to complete a fundamental energy shift and so many good tech jobs will be created. fossil fuels made their cash lets let renewables get a shot at some of those big bad subsidies it's a gradual process and we want to get this started and not just sit with our heads in the sand!!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    polaris_x said:

    and more importantly as it relates to this thread ... LOCAL WEATHER is indeed related to Global Warming ... i will try to explain ...

    Global Warming is the problem ... climate change is a symptom or consequence of global warming ... by artificially increasing the temperature of the planet (global warming) we are affecting many things such as the amount of sea ice that forms which in turn affects albedo and so on ... as it relates to local weather ... temperature is the single biggest variable affecting weather (not the only thing) ... temperature affects barometric pressure ... which in turn affects wind and so on ... weather is essentially caused by the variances of temperature from place to place ... as a mechanism for the earth trying to balance itself ... so, if we are artificially warming the planet in various regions - one of the consequences is indeed affecting local weather patterns ... what we need to understand is that it isn't always going to be indicated by being hotter ... as has been written numerous times ... we are going to experience more extreme weather events ... that has already come to fruition ...

    Thank you, polaris_x, what you say here seems very accurate. When I stress that local weather is not the same as global climate what I mean is that no single local weather event is evidence in-of-itself of global climate warming. But as you say, global warming (thank you for not hesitating to use that phrase) is indeed affecting most of our local weather patterns. Anyone honestly using their senses and observation skills will see this.

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