That was very cool of Brian to write back to you, and such an in depth response at that. It's ashame to see this is the bands doing and not MSG. The MSG employees looked completely overwhelmed. I wasn't really thrilled with them yelling at us for pushing when no one really was. People would push when someone would get up to the counter and have to leave the corwd. it was just to get out of the way.
I am SOOO with you, Pretext. I walked past that line to the Will Call to pick up my 10C tix, walked back past the MSG merch people (who wouldn't even speak to me, let alone show me the poster so I could at least see what I would be waiting for...they literally would not even look at me when I said, "Excuse me..." ROYAL DICKHEADS!), again walked past the now even-longer line, and busted a move out of there. It literally could have been the line for new The Dark Knight coaster at Great Adventure; it was that long and snaked around and around and around.
Plus, I heard the poster was essentially the same as the night before (with the hunter on it, but different colors, I guess?), and since I didn't really care for the design, I saved myself $25 and, evidently, a huge hassle. My time and sanity are worth a lot more more than $200.
Laura in NJ
4-17-1994 Paramount Theater, NYC
6-20-1995 Red Rocks (Sponsored By No One tour)
6-23-1998 Fiddler’s Green, CO
7-09-2003 MSG NYC
9-28-2004 Fleet Center, Boston (Vote For Change warmup)
6-01-2006 & 6-03-2006 E. Rutherford, NJ
6-25-2008 MSG NYC * 7-07-2008 EV NJPAC
This might be a stupid question (and probably asked before) but ..
¿Why don't they print 5000 posters?
Answer: Because they want to create demand.
However, come on, band...you KNOW if you create a limited-edition product, it's GONNA end up on eBay. If accurately presented by Brian, the MSG merch director, that excuse simply doesn't fly.
Solution: Print enough posters for everyone who wants one and you won't have the "eBay problem" you supposedly claim you are trying to prevent.
Sheesh.
Laura in NJ
4-17-1994 Paramount Theater, NYC
6-20-1995 Red Rocks (Sponsored By No One tour)
6-23-1998 Fiddler’s Green, CO
7-09-2003 MSG NYC
9-28-2004 Fleet Center, Boston (Vote For Change warmup)
6-01-2006 & 6-03-2006 E. Rutherford, NJ
6-25-2008 MSG NYC * 7-07-2008 EV NJPAC
If they made 5000, what would be special about them? The thing that makes these posters more than just posters, is that they are limited.
Uh...as observed by others above, they would be special because they are a Pearl Jam poster from a show you attended.
I think my 1995 poster from the aborted Sponsored By No One tour is the ugliest thing on my wall, yet I framed it and keep it there because it reminds me of that awesome Red Rocks concert, and how lucky I was to even see the band that year at all.
Laura in NJ
4-17-1994 Paramount Theater, NYC
6-20-1995 Red Rocks (Sponsored By No One tour)
6-23-1998 Fiddler’s Green, CO
7-09-2003 MSG NYC
9-28-2004 Fleet Center, Boston (Vote For Change warmup)
6-01-2006 & 6-03-2006 E. Rutherford, NJ
6-25-2008 MSG NYC * 7-07-2008 EV NJPAC
that doesn't include the jerks selling them either. The guy wouldn't even hold one up to show me what it looked like. Then he argued with me assuring me that there were NO people who got more than one wrist band.
To have the door s open to anyone was just plain stupid. I am not shelling out 100 plus for a set of less than stellar posters. It makes you wonder, in the Ames book they mention how much they hated those cartoon character kiddy like posters yet there they were again.
people need to get a grip on some stuff, posters are not worth injuries
the whole demand debate is just incorrect the band or artist see no money by their posters selling for 5 times the original sale price! BK/Ames do not sell these things for more than 60 bucks (well Ames marked some real old ones up, hence them still sitting there). These guys get no proceeds from fucking e-bay. there is no reason to keep supply low when they stand to gain nothing from it.
However, come on, band...you KNOW if you create a limited-edition product, it's GONNA end up on eBay. If accurately presented by Brian, the MSG merch director, that excuse simply doesn't fly.
Solution: Print enough posters for everyone who wants one and you won't have the "eBay problem" you supposedly claim you are trying to prevent.
Sheesh.
But that would make sense so of course the marketing firm won't do that.
I wanted to get one last night and they were sold out when I got in the venue at 7. I don't know if they sold out that quick or if the stupid vendors sold them all on N1.
Uh...as observed by others above, they would be special because they are a Pearl Jam poster from a show you attended.
I think my 1995 poster from the aborted Sponsored By No One tour is the ugliest thing on my wall, yet I framed it and keep it there because it reminds me of that awesome Red Rocks concert, and how lucky I was to even see the band that year at all.
yup, I could give a crap if everyone in the world had 20 copies each of the same Hartford poster I attended as long as it wouldn't have cost me $100 on ebay which should have only been $25.
If a man speaks in a forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?
However, come on, band...you KNOW if you create a limited-edition product, it's GONNA end up on eBay. If accurately presented by Brian, the MSG merch director, that excuse simply doesn't fly.
Solution: Print enough posters for everyone who wants one and you won't have the "eBay problem" you supposedly claim you are trying to prevent.
Sheesh.
You're exactly right. If any of you don't think that the Ames Bros. don't get a *little* satisfaction at seeing these things go for stupid fucking money on eBay, you're kidding yourselves. If they were really trying to curb the flipping on eBay, they'd print enough to satisfy the demand. I don't think this holds to the normal thinking of sustaining interest where you "produce one unit less than the market demands"... There's two factors at work here:
-- The "limited-edition" nature of the posters creates the thought that these posters are worth far more than the $25 you pay at the show
-- The people that are paying $500-$600 for them on eBay afterward
Don't get me wrong; if you've got the disposable income and want one that bad, more power to you. I'm not going to begrudge the folks that can do that. But I'd be willing to bet that a good amount of people buying posters these days have nothing more than visions of dollar signs dancing in their heads when they plunked down their $25.
there is no reason to keep supply low when they stand to gain nothing from it.
Except an ego boost. I'd imagine it feels pretty good as an artist to see people paying exorbitant prices for your work.
'Course, if they started cranking these things out by the thousands the peeps around here would probably start screaming "SELLOUTS!!!" within 10 seconds.
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I am SOOO with you, Pretext. I walked past that line to the Will Call to pick up my 10C tix, walked back past the MSG merch people (who wouldn't even speak to me, let alone show me the poster so I could at least see what I would be waiting for...they literally would not even look at me when I said, "Excuse me..." ROYAL DICKHEADS!), again walked past the now even-longer line, and busted a move out of there. It literally could have been the line for new The Dark Knight coaster at Great Adventure; it was that long and snaked around and around and around.
Plus, I heard the poster was essentially the same as the night before (with the hunter on it, but different colors, I guess?), and since I didn't really care for the design, I saved myself $25 and, evidently, a huge hassle. My time and sanity are worth a lot more more than $200.
4-17-1994 Paramount Theater, NYC
6-20-1995 Red Rocks (Sponsored By No One tour)
6-23-1998 Fiddler’s Green, CO
7-09-2003 MSG NYC
9-28-2004 Fleet Center, Boston (Vote For Change warmup)
6-01-2006 & 6-03-2006 E. Rutherford, NJ
6-25-2008 MSG NYC * 7-07-2008 EV NJPAC
Answer: Because they want to create demand.
However, come on, band...you KNOW if you create a limited-edition product, it's GONNA end up on eBay. If accurately presented by Brian, the MSG merch director, that excuse simply doesn't fly.
Solution: Print enough posters for everyone who wants one and you won't have the "eBay problem" you supposedly claim you are trying to prevent.
Sheesh.
4-17-1994 Paramount Theater, NYC
6-20-1995 Red Rocks (Sponsored By No One tour)
6-23-1998 Fiddler’s Green, CO
7-09-2003 MSG NYC
9-28-2004 Fleet Center, Boston (Vote For Change warmup)
6-01-2006 & 6-03-2006 E. Rutherford, NJ
6-25-2008 MSG NYC * 7-07-2008 EV NJPAC
Uh...as observed by others above, they would be special because they are a Pearl Jam poster from a show you attended.
I think my 1995 poster from the aborted Sponsored By No One tour is the ugliest thing on my wall, yet I framed it and keep it there because it reminds me of that awesome Red Rocks concert, and how lucky I was to even see the band that year at all.
4-17-1994 Paramount Theater, NYC
6-20-1995 Red Rocks (Sponsored By No One tour)
6-23-1998 Fiddler’s Green, CO
7-09-2003 MSG NYC
9-28-2004 Fleet Center, Boston (Vote For Change warmup)
6-01-2006 & 6-03-2006 E. Rutherford, NJ
6-25-2008 MSG NYC * 7-07-2008 EV NJPAC
To have the door s open to anyone was just plain stupid. I am not shelling out 100 plus for a set of less than stellar posters. It makes you wonder, in the Ames book they mention how much they hated those cartoon character kiddy like posters yet there they were again.
people need to get a grip on some stuff, posters are not worth injuries
the whole demand debate is just incorrect the band or artist see no money by their posters selling for 5 times the original sale price! BK/Ames do not sell these things for more than 60 bucks (well Ames marked some real old ones up, hence them still sitting there). These guys get no proceeds from fucking e-bay. there is no reason to keep supply low when they stand to gain nothing from it.
But that would make sense so of course the marketing firm won't do that.
I wanted to get one last night and they were sold out when I got in the venue at 7. I don't know if they sold out that quick or if the stupid vendors sold them all on N1.
yup, I could give a crap if everyone in the world had 20 copies each of the same Hartford poster I attended as long as it wouldn't have cost me $100 on ebay which should have only been $25.
You're exactly right. If any of you don't think that the Ames Bros. don't get a *little* satisfaction at seeing these things go for stupid fucking money on eBay, you're kidding yourselves. If they were really trying to curb the flipping on eBay, they'd print enough to satisfy the demand. I don't think this holds to the normal thinking of sustaining interest where you "produce one unit less than the market demands"... There's two factors at work here:
-- The "limited-edition" nature of the posters creates the thought that these posters are worth far more than the $25 you pay at the show
-- The people that are paying $500-$600 for them on eBay afterward
Don't get me wrong; if you've got the disposable income and want one that bad, more power to you. I'm not going to begrudge the folks that can do that. But I'd be willing to bet that a good amount of people buying posters these days have nothing more than visions of dollar signs dancing in their heads when they plunked down their $25.
Except an ego boost. I'd imagine it feels pretty good as an artist to see people paying exorbitant prices for your work.
'Course, if they started cranking these things out by the thousands the peeps around here would probably start screaming "SELLOUTS!!!" within 10 seconds.