Another cop shooting, fucked up story
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Huh?
How about we charge the homicidal maniac with murder and place him behind bars with the other murderers?
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These were my thoughts as well.
The picture accompanying the piece sure was unsettling. I'm pretty sure it was a stock photo of another police check, but if that was me in the car and some cop has a rifle pointed at my face... I might be squirting a rosebud into my drawers.
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Their job is hard and given the nature of it... they should be able to do more than just make ends meet.
If it is so sweet... go do it. Of course, doing that job requires a little bit more bravery and courage than your typical internet tough talker found on these forums (not to mention a multitude of other things such as intelligence, patience, and a host of other key attributes).
There is a problem with poorly behaving police officers, but I can remember a day when it was extremely difficult to become a cop. Nowadays... they are begging people to do the underfunded, underappreciated, and extremely dangerous job- outside of those qualified people that simply want to do the job because it is in their blood... it's not like police forces are attracting nothing but awesome people.
You want a strong police force... then be prepared to pay for it. Otherwise... keep your broad sweeping statements to yourself as you expect a dollars day of work for 10 cents.
What job do you do that is beyond reproach?
cop haters? not one person in this thread made any sweeping statements against cops in general. this is another one of your obvious trolling posts.
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He was being sarcastic. He thinks cops are over-paid, under-worked, unscrupulous, and undesirable.
Not to mention the fact that he thinks they meet late at nights to work on their 'take over the country' plan.
No thanks. I have no desire to inflate my ego with a badge and abuse those I'm sworn to protect. For every good cop, there's a bad one. We've been through this before, my knowledge is from first hand experience.
Have a wonderful day (no sarcasm)
On edit: last time I checked none are forced to take the job and none are forced to stay. Just like about everyone else in society, if the job sucks move on.
I think that 50% of ron Paul supporters are uneducated morons who follow a silly and unrealistic concept of no government and like to think they have unique views. Doesn't mean I am right though
Easier said than done the just move on suggestion. Some trusted that the job would afford them a reasonable way of life only to find they barely make ends meet... as they risk their lives on a daily basis keeping people like you and me nice and comfy in our homes.
You made your sarcastic statement and I didn't have the strength to just ignore it. Regardless, you are correct... we have done this dance before and gotten nowhere... so, I'll sincerely wish you a happy new year and leave it at that. Be safe!
Generalizations happen in many posts on this site, you just probably don't agree with mine.
Did they not know their salary before accepting the position? Did they not know the requirements of their chosen profession? Once they figured it out are they forced to stay?
And please, I protect me and mine. Nobody else does that.
You would think, from the amount of hatred you spew about police officers, that the only thing they do is shoot innocent civilians and practice corruption. You obviously haven't stopped to think about the mountain of great things they do on a daily basis that is no longer newsworthy because, simply put, these great things are the norm.
Geezuz man, we hear of the extremes because that is what they are: anomalies among countless good policing acts. Do you not have enough common sense to understand this?
Do you seriously think that the police have had no 'indirect' affect on maintaining your personal safety? How would your world look if all those currently incarcerated were not incarcerated and lawlessness reigned? Did you have anything to do with placing these criminals behind bars? I speculate that they have served you more than you would ever know.
Bottom line: you are being disrespectful and unappreciative. Most of the cops you so eagerly shit on are, in fact, heroes and making a difference whenever and wherever they can. Can you say the same for yourself in your current occupation? I bet you the answer is... no.
You see a cop shooting as a possible violation or abuse, I see a roadside checkpoint as an obvious abuse of rights. That's where our difference is.
You are not exactly correct here.
I definitely see an unjustified 'civilian' shooting as a violation and abuse. I see roadside checkpoints as part of police work provided they are not routine (you don't have to worry about these if you haven't done anything wrong).
The difference between you and I is that I can acknowledge poor police work, whereas you seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge good police work nor the realistic proportion of good work to bad work.
Roadblocks violate the 4th Amendment, and usually they have no reason or suspicion to stop people at these checkpoints. Papers please? The good thing about these checkpoints is that you don't have to answer anything that they ask you.
how often to cops seek validation for the work they do? the only people I see doing that are the civilians who appreciate their work.
I get it. I have had this same conversation about the military; I just had it two days ago. I don't personally put them on a pedestal because of their career choice. But saying the police aren't needed for your own personal freedom and safety is absolutely idiotic.
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Police aren't around to prevent crime, they are around to respond to it. And also considering that their response time has had less than stellar reviews I'll handle that whole protecting thing myself. I mean it's quite possible that they show up and shoot me or my dog. I personally find no use for most of them, they have become one of those necessary evils in society though.
Edited for 330am typos on iphone
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/polit ... .html?_r=0
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1976377/posts
So if they have no obligation to provide protection what use are they?
We can agree there.
I always found it odd that when Vietnam had the draft how lousy troops were treated when they came home. Now they volunteer for it and get placed on those pedestals, get college paid for, get housing paid for, and get jobs programs for when they return. Plus now if I want to switch careers they get extra points in the hiring process that I don't because I never served.
I was told this year on Memorial Day more than once that I didn't "support the troops" because I didn't have a flag out (I never do anyway) and I asked these people who they voted for. I got back mostly Romneys but also a couple of Obamas and I told these people that I actually was the one supporting the troops because I voted for men that wanted to bring them home (Ron Paul and Gary Johnson) and that their putting up the flag was nothing more than a feel good way for them to cover up the fact that they did not support the troops.
Those are fun arguments to have.
If you want a totalitarian state and absolute safety you'd have the prison system on the streets, which would effectively be martial law and end individual freedom.
Or you could look to the motivation of criminals and try to deal with the problem before it rears its head. Poverty has a strong influence on people's behaviours.
You've made the argument for police and their role in protecting society: if they were not around to apprehend violent criminals... the violent criminals remain on the streets; therefore, they make the streets safer for you and protect you.
When shit hits the fan... who do people call? It's ridiculous that you are suggesting the police do not serve and protect. Nobody is saying one cannot protect themselves, but the real world isn't like the movie 'Minority Report'. Because police generally respect the rights you vociferously flaunt... they cannot simply go and remove a bad guy from the streets when they know he is bad until they have ample proof to show he's bad.
I read this one. Kind of messed up. It sounds as if lawyers cleverly used the letter of the law to absolve poor police work, but in reality... we know of a multitude of times when officers have responded to these types of situations.
For example... in Hugh's fair city of Winnipeg... police respond to an average of 43 domestic violence calls per day. Do you think these women shoulder the responsibility to protect themselves? Do you think these women should call their neighbour with the gun to deal with their problem? How about children?
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/08/15/w ... ay-in-2012
Actually, that is incorrect. They are there to prevent crime. That's where the discussion of uniformed cops vs unmarked police cars stems from. Is it better to have a police presence that is visible to the public so they feel safe AND keeps the criminal element at bay, or is it better to have unmarked officers around to catch criminals in the act? The school of thought is generally to be 50/50. Our society would be exponentially more dangerous and nearly impossible to ensure your own safety in that world. Are they superheroes? No, no one is saying that. But I'll say again, having zero police presence is to introduce anarchy and lawlessness. If there are no police,there is no justice system, and without that, there is no consequence to crime. MAYBE you can protect yourself in this scenario (I still have extreme doubts about this), but do you wish for all those who can't to be at the mercy of criminals??
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Poverty has almost everything to do with crime, I'd also add greed to that.
When the shit hits the fan for real where do you think the police will be? Out on the streets? Or will they be protecting their own families like they were during Hurricane Katrina?
Could we trust the average person to know how to deal with these things? In America at least, that would not be something I would want to live with.
Fargo 2003
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Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014