Affluenza

brianlux

The more I think about this- the idea of being affluent considered on par with a disorder which could (has!) allowed a person hugely privileged to avoid responsibility and dodge the kind of punishment most of us would receive- the more it seems disgusting. The only possible good that I can see coming from this is a heightened awareness of the growing economic gap in our society and from that possibly some kind of change that way. If not, it's just the same old "rich get richer" and get away with murder- or at least manslaughter.

PJ_Soul

I think the kid should be in prison for a long time. But I also think it's pretty ridiculous to consider charging the parents.

AndyVanSlyke

Do you guys think that this kid's opinion matters at all during the negotiation/legal procedure here"

I can only picture rich mommy/daddy going back and forth with the lawyers saying "So, you gonna be able to get my son out of this one -wink wink $$ $$?" Meanwhile, the poor kid is sitting back feeling guilty and seeing through the bullshit...

If so, I feel bad for everyone, INCLUDING THE KID, because he's the main player in this case and it doesn't matter because mom/dad are too busy trying to clear his name. Meanwhile, he won't face the proper punishment and have to live with this guilt his whole life.

What a fucked up situation...

know1

I've long advocated that parents should be subject to criminal prosecution for crimes committed by their juvenile children. I'm not saying they should in every case, but probably in most cases and it should certainly be an option.

It might make some parents actually give a darn about parenting.

PJ_Soul

know1 wrote:

I've long advocated that parents should be subject to criminal prosecution for crimes committed by their juvenile children. I'm not saying they should in every case, but probably in most cases and it should certainly be an option.

It might make some parents actually give a darn about parenting.

There are tons of good parents out there whose kids turn out to be shit heads anyway, despite the parent's best efforts. I think charging parents for their children's crimes sets a VERY dangerous precedent. To assume the parents did a shit job every time a kid commits a crime is a huge mistake. That you think that in MOST cases that is the case is kind of scary.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul wrote:

know1 wrote:

I've long advocated that parents should be subject to criminal prosecution for crimes committed by their juvenile children. I'm not saying they should in every case, but probably in most cases and it should certainly be an option.

It might make some parents actually give a darn about parenting.

There are tons of good parents out there whose kids turn out to be shit heads anyway, despite the parent's best efforts. I think charging parents for their children's crimes sets a VERY dangerous precedent. To assume the parents did a shit job every time a kid commits a crime is a huge mistake. That you think that in MOST cases that is the case is kind of scary.

my mother n law raised 3 kid's on her own after her husband passed, they were 3,9 and 12 and she raised them very well on her own but the younger son was just different from the start, he spent his whole life in juvinal care and then onto the big house for 3/4 of his adult life,he was out of prison for 3 years and most of the time homeless before he passed away from a drug complication (mixed methadone with a alleragy medicine) and his problem was not brought on by the parenting from mother he was just wired differently.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. wrote:

my mother n law raised 3 kid's on her own after her husband passed, they were 3,9 and 12 and she raised them very well on her own but the younger son was just different from the start, he spent his whole life in juvinal care and then onto the big house for 3/4 of his adult life,he was out of prison for 3 years and most of the time homeless before he passed away from a drug complication (mixed methadone with a alleragy medicine) and his problem was not brought on by the parenting from mother he was just wired differently.

Godfather.

I think too many times, in our effort to try and explain things so that they make perfect sense to us, we fail to acknowledge that some people are- as you say- simply hard wired to behave a certain way.

Society plays a huge hand in a person's development and sometimes conveniantly explains the motives and actions of some person. But I too have seen numerous cases where, despite the best possible conditions, someone has still become dysfunctional with no 'definitive' behaviour assessment as the underlying causal factor.

PJ_Soul

Godfather. wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

know1 wrote:

I've long advocated that parents should be subject to criminal prosecution for crimes committed by their juvenile children. I'm not saying they should in every case, but probably in most cases and it should certainly be an option.

It might make some parents actually give a darn about parenting.

There are tons of good parents out there whose kids turn out to be shit heads anyway, despite the parent's best efforts. I think charging parents for their children's crimes sets a VERY dangerous precedent. To assume the parents did a shit job every time a kid commits a crime is a huge mistake. That you think that in MOST cases that is the case is kind of scary.

my mother n law raised 3 kid's on her own after her husband passed, they were 3,9 and 12 and she raised them very well on her own but the younger son was just different from the start, he spent his whole life in juvinal care and then onto the big house for 3/4 of his adult life,he was out of prison for 3 years and most of the time homeless before he passed away from a drug complication (mixed methadone with a alleragy medicine) and his problem was not brought on by the parenting from mother he was just wired differently.

Godfather.

Exactly. I know a family where the parents are really lovely people, well to do, well educated, very responsible, down to earth... they have three kids. Two of them turned out wonderfully. But the last one - a guy I was friends with in high school, and he was really nice - became a violent murderer. He kept going into parties uninvited and then stabbing someone he didn't even know to death when he was asked to leave. He did it two or three times. Before that he kept getting charged with aggravated assault. And get this, the shitty justice system kept letting him go. They even let him go after serving some time after his first murder. And then he went and murdered someone else. And these were completely innocent victims. So the poor parents aren't to blame at all - their son unfortunately has a loose screw - but the CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM has some fucking explaining to do.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul wrote:

Exactly. I know a family where the parents are really lovely people, well to do, well educated, very responsible, down to earth... they have three kids. Two of them turned out wonderfully. But the last one - a guy I was friends with in high school, and he was really nice - became a violent murderer. He kept going into parties uninvited and then stabbing someone he didn't even know to death when he was asked to leave. He did it two or three times. Before that he kept getting charged with aggravated assault. And get this, the shitty justice system kept letting him go. They even let him go after serving some time after his first murder. And then he went and murdered someone else. And these were completely innocent victims. So the poor parents aren't to blame at all - their son unfortunately has a loose screw - but the CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM has some fucking explaining to do.

What you describe here points to the failings of Canada's ridiculously leniant penal system. This is not a unique story- it just happens to be one you are close too. We all have our 'epic failure' story that makes us want to poke pins in our eyeballs.

We are so ass backwards and it enfuriates me. The bleeding hearts in our country so eagerly dismiss victims' rights (past, present, and future victims) in favour of second, third, fourth, and fifth chances for 'poor little misunderstood' scumbags who, quite frankly, deserve nothing.

We offer generous, publically-funded trials and appeals. We set ridiculouslt leniant penalties for the most grievous of offences. We afford child rapists and murderers the best dental and medical plans in the country. We routinely rubber stamp parole applications. And the level of accountability for mismanagement at every level sits at zero.

A joke.

Asterisk on the Street

mickeyrat said:

heres how I see this playing out.

1st, the victims still living and the families of the dead will take the parents for everythig they are worth. The parents set themselves up for this with this bullshit defense. Documented on the record their failings and setting him up for this.


2. Judge is retiring anyway. Not she she gives a fuck regardless, but I would watch her finances closely for years afterward or look at family .


3. The kid WILL violate. This is a no brainer. so Daddy will have spent wads of cash to keep little pissant out of jail for a while. But when he violates , he will likely be an adult by then and will go to big boy jail.


4. I surely do hope the PO holds this kid rigidly to his terms.



edited to reflect accurate info on the judge retiring date. Am told by WHO Princess that its Dec of next year not Jan as I previously stated above. Misheard on the radio this morning.

Mickeyrat,
You called it.

"Tarrant County officials issued a warrant for Ethan Couch after he missed a mandatory meeting with his probation officer nearly two weeks ago. An investigation into a possible probation violation began early in December when a video came out showing him at a beer-pong party."

reuters.com/article/us-texas-affluenza-idUSKBN0U52H220151222

PJ_Soul

Last-12-Exit said:

the same judge sentenced a 14 yr old black kid that killed one person in a DUI crash 10 years. Not 10 years probation, 10 years of incarceration.

That makes it so much worse. Wtf??? I am as appalled by this story now as I was back then, but am not sure i noticed this little tidbit about the judge.
Affluenza. Holy fuck.

Look at this fucking guy... not one to judge books by covers, but since I know that content inside the book, I'm okay saying that this dude looks like a huge douchebag, lol.

ldent42

I'm so glad I was still scared of AMT when this thread started. I think my fuckin head would've exploded if I'd heard about this.

"Affluenza"

hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

the same judge sentenced a 14 yr old black kid that killed one person in a DUI crash 10 years. Not 10 years probation, 10 years of incarceration.

That makes it so much worse. Wtf??? I am as appalled by this story now as I was back then, but am not sure i noticed this little tidbit about the judge.
Affluenza. Holy fuck.

Look at this fucking guy... not one to judge books by covers, but since I know that content inside the book, I'm okay saying that this dude looks like a huge douchebag, lol.

Your description reminds me of Kim Davis

jeffbr

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

the same judge sentenced a 14 yr old black kid that killed one person in a DUI crash 10 years. Not 10 years probation, 10 years of incarceration.

That makes it so much worse. Wtf??? I am as appalled by this story now as I was back then, but am not sure i noticed this little tidbit about the judge.
Affluenza. Holy fuck.

Look at this fucking guy... not one to judge books by covers, but since I know that content inside the book, I'm okay saying that this dude looks like a huge douchebag, lol.

With all of that affluenza, you'd think he could have afforded a less douchey haircut. Even Justin Bieber would be embarrassed by this kid's hair. Actually, now he's not a kid anymore. He's 18. And his mom is on the run with him. Hopefully they find him, try him as an adult for any new crimes, and lock him up. While they're at it, I hope they jail his mom for aiding and abetting.

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

PJ_Soul said:

Last-12-Exit said:

the same judge sentenced a 14 yr old black kid that killed one person in a DUI crash 10 years. Not 10 years probation, 10 years of incarceration.

That makes it so much worse. Wtf??? I am as appalled by this story now as I was back then, but am not sure i noticed this little tidbit about the judge.
Affluenza. Holy fuck.

Look at this fucking guy... not one to judge books by covers, but since I know that content inside the book, I'm okay saying that this dude looks like a huge douchebag, lol.

Your description reminds me of Kim Davis

That is exactly who I thought of after posting that! Her and Hedo's fight for the right to make fun of that cow's hair.

callen

Kids idiot and should be held responsible but the mom is real price of work. Skipping town with son. There may be something to parents not establishing boundaries. Reminds me of last American Horror Stories with the carnies, rich punk kid.

bootlegger10

callen said:

Kids idiot and should be held responsible but the mom is real price of work. Skipping town with son. There may be something to parents not establishing boundaries. Reminds me of last American Horror Stories with the carnies, rich punk kid.

The kid is the danger to society so put him in jail. Put the mother on house arrest or setup a huge fine.

Asterisk on the Street

'Affluenza' teen Ethan Couch detained in Mexico

cnn.com/2015/12/28/us/mexico-affluenza-teen-ethan-couch-detained/

It will be interesting to see what the courts do with this kid now. Probation violations should mean incarceration.

Gern Blansten

I just heard that there isn't much they can do. He's an adult now so that has some effect on the parole violation as a minor.

Guy on the radio said that he might get 2 months in jail...then if he violates parole after that they can really nail him.

Who Princess

Gern Blansten said:

I just heard that there isn't much they can do. He's an adult now so that has some effect on the parole violation as a minor.

Guy on the radio said that he might get 2 months in jail...then if he violates parole after that they can really nail him.

They can keep him in jail till he turns 19 in April. Then he will no longer be under the juvenile court system. However, they'd already started the process of switching him from the juvenile to adult system before this latest episode. That's routine in a situation like his. If that's accomplished, he can spend a few years in real jail.