Sorry, I'd rather be at a supposedly "lame" show in Seattle than at supposedly "awesome" shows in Portland or Vancouver BC any day.
Why?
I'm not saying any show was lame... but are you saying you'd rather be at a lame show than an awesome show?
Note I said supposedly "lame". Basically, I'm saying that I had a great time at the show last night despite what everybody is saying about how great the other shows were. Am I supposed to feel that I missed out even though I had a great time?
SEA 9/20/92, SEA 12/7/93, SEA 12/31/94 (MS), SEA 11/5/00, SEA 11/6/00, SEA 12/8/02, SEA 12/9/02, BEN 10/22/03, GOR 9/1/05, SD 7/7/06, LA 7/10/06, LA 7/12/06, LA (EV) 4/12/08, LA (EV) 4/13/08, LA 7/12/08, LA 9/30/09, LA 10/7/09, SEA 12/6/13, SEA 8/8/18
I think the 'lameness' may have much more to do with the venue than the crowd.
Arena shows are generally not as good as theatre type venues. Arenas have poor acoustics, viewing angles, bad smells. You name it. Everything is wrong.
That's it.. Nuff said.
Sorry, I'd rather be at a supposedly "lame" show in Seattle than at supposedly "awesome" shows in Portland or Vancouver BC any day. Not gonna let some angry dude change the fact that I had a great time and at a great show. I had a great time and met cool people from all over including New York, Kentucky, Florida, Louisiana, Mexico, Brazil, Australia and England.
Note I said supposedly "lame". Basically, I'm saying that I had a great time at the show last night despite what everybody is saying about how great the other shows were. Am I supposed to feel that I missed out even though I had a great time?
No.
You ignore that stuff. I did mention that the band seems to remain unconvinced that the Seattle crowd is what they should be according to what they expect from them, but for you... that should mean nothing.
I was in Seattle in 2009 and heard the same stuff. I agreed with some of it, but ultimately, I didn't give a shit: I had a great time and it was one of my more memorable shows factoring in travel and the band's hometown.
But saying you would rather be at a weaker show than an 'awesome' show doesn't make sense. Saying, "Go fuk yourself"... now that makes sense!
The show looks great on paper... and if you are saying you had a great time... you sound like a guy I would like to have gone with! Have a good night, good holidays, and enjoy your bootleg when it comes out!
All this negativity about last night's show is just silly, Ed and band clearly had a blast, and the crowd in my section didn't seem subdued at all. I think people assumed this was going to be the Holy Grail of PJ shows for some reason (sorry guys, if you weren't here in 11/6/2000, you missed out on that anyway )
But I will say this: IMHO, "Nothingman" should never be the second song played at a show. Ever. Even if the entire set is acoustic.
I think people assumed this was going to be the Holy Grail of PJ shows for some reason (sorry guys, if you weren't here in 11/6/2000, you missed out on that anyway )
You speak the truth. I yearn for that type of a show everytime I'm at the Key for PJ. absolute magic
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Everyone in my section was respectful, granted some were rocking out more than others. But it was a quieter crowd compared to other shows I have been to this tour. That does not mean they are lame, just less loud.
There was no impromptu singing after Daughter, so that song was ended with no tag, for example. And when the crowd took over the verses to sing, it was not terribly loud. So if the OP is equating lack of volume with lameness, which I do not think is entirely fair, I understand where he is coming from.
But, there was some riff singing during Do the Evolution, and that did not happen in every show this tour. I am guessing Eddie probably felt the lack of volume at times, since he did mention it. But to me, it was a great show, and I had a great time rocking out from my pretty amazing seat in Section 127.
I am just a dreamer, but you are just a dream... If I knew where it was I would take you there.
Note I said supposedly "lame". Basically, I'm saying that I had a great time at the show last night despite what everybody is saying about how great the other shows were. Am I supposed to feel that I missed out even though I had a great time?
No.
You ignore that stuff. I did mention that the band seems to remain unconvinced that the Seattle crowd is what they should be according to what they expect from them, but for you... that should mean nothing.
I was in Seattle in 2009 and heard the same stuff. I agreed with some of it, but ultimately, I didn't give a shit: I had a great time and it was one of my more memorable shows factoring in travel and the band's hometown.
But saying you would rather be at a weaker show than an 'awesome' show doesn't make sense. Saying, "Go fuk yourself"... now that makes sense!
The show looks great on paper... and if you are saying you had a great time... you sound like a guy I would like to have gone with! Have a good night, good holidays, and enjoy your bootleg when it comes out!
Yes, I had a great time. I'm sure the band is not obsessing about this kind of discussion on the boards like we all are. They're home and ready for a break. Anyway, have a good holiday as well.
SEA 9/20/92, SEA 12/7/93, SEA 12/31/94 (MS), SEA 11/5/00, SEA 11/6/00, SEA 12/8/02, SEA 12/9/02, BEN 10/22/03, GOR 9/1/05, SD 7/7/06, LA 7/10/06, LA 7/12/06, LA (EV) 4/12/08, LA (EV) 4/13/08, LA 7/12/08, LA 9/30/09, LA 10/7/09, SEA 12/6/13, SEA 8/8/18
We were second row from the back of the building and the upper deck was rocking near us. . If you can't jump out of your seat for that setlist you shouldn't be allowed in the building! Hehe. The crowd in Vancouver was absolutely lit up. A few called Gorge in 2014. I'll hope to see you all there!
What??? Were we at the same show? I thought the crowd was fantastic and thunderously loud and totally smashed all preconceived notions I had about Seattle crowd being lame. I was rail Stone's side and my area was most definitely rocking out. The band was happy and I could not wipe the giant smile off my face. Could not have asked for a better tour closer. I'm still processing the entire tour, it's been out of this world and I feel so blessed to have had this experience.
Sounds like yall are just jealous of last nights epic, home town, tour ending show. Complete with Eddie swingling wildly from stage lights while singing to an adoring crowd, the best set list so far (including Let me Sleep, Unthought known, classic Mother Love Bone, Corduroy, Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd, Eruption), a Kim Thayil appearance, and a lengthy show ending after midnight. Not to mention the communal benefit of the anniversary of legalization.
Im from Seattle. I go to every Seattle show. And yes, Seattle crowds are typically pretty soft historically. I was in the pit last night and to me it didnt seem that way to me. But maybe its because of where I was. It was the best Seattle crowd that I have seen.
There is a sense of Seattle entitlement to some people. Lots of hipsters here now. I think some folks definitely take the band for granted.
But with all that being said. I could really care less about crowds. They could play for a crowd of monks and it would still be cool to me. I come for the band.
I was at Portland, Spokane, and Seattle shows. Spokane was the best imho. Last night, among obvious 10C seats in an awesome reserved section 114 (Thank you, 10C!), there were TONS of "senior" folks with "Friends & Family" stickers on their shirts... did you catch how long that F & F line was outside of Key Arena? These were people who got tickets because of knowing someone, not necessarily because they love Pearl Jam. My section ended up being totally lame! The older couple in front of my seats were sitting down the entire time and I kept hitting the back of the lady's head as I was rocking out. I'm sure she hates me! It just really alters the vibe of your concert experience depending on how the people closest around you act--- whether you try to let it not affect you, it does to an extent. I loved the show and enjoyed myself, but it would have been waaay better with people near me feeling the PJ love too.
Please skip the Seattle show next time and save yourself the agony.
Um, that's a bit over the top. The show was awesome. Was Van a little louder? Sure ... but all skipping the show would accomplish is letting somebody more appreciative attend!
The singing in Boston’s TD Banknorth Garden was even more intimidating the next night, and a week later in
New Jersey, Vedder noted as such to the crowd in the Continental Airlines Arena.
“You know, you’ve got a few chances left to sing, but I gotta tell ya… Boston was louder.”
The gloves were officially off after that comment IMO..
"This here's a REQUEST!"
EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
10/25/13 Hartford
Please skip the Seattle show next time and save yourself the agony.
this.
if you hate our "dead crowds" and "dead city"... stay the hell away then! I'd rather not get shut out of tenclub tix and wait 8 hrs at the fucking box office so a bunch of people can fly in from all over the place and come here and bitch about it the next day.
I was in 107 with my new friends from the box office line. From where I was, the crowd was drowning out the music at times. It was LOUD. It wasn't the best crowd Ive been in (Missoula prolly is), but it was pretty damn good.
I seriously don't know what you people expect
"Well, I think this band is incapable of sucking."
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
Please skip the Seattle show next time and save yourself the agony.
this.
if you hate our "dead crowds" and "dead city"... stay the hell away then! I'd rather not get shut out of tenclub tix and wait 8 hrs at the fucking box office so a bunch of people can fly in from all over the place and come here and bitch about it the next day.
I was in 107 with my new friends from the box office line. From where I was, the crowd was drowning out the music at times. It was LOUD. It wasn't the best crowd Ive been in (Missoula prolly is), but it was pretty damn good.
I seriously don't know what you people expect
I love this post. I got shut out for the first time ever and ended up toward the top behind the friggin stage, so please save the bitching. There were a lot of people like me all over the arena, and we brought it. That was easily the best 2nd level of any of the four shows I went to. Not even close.
It seems any individual's appraisal of a crowd is strongly dependent on:
1) said individual's proximity to the stage
2) the demeanor of other crowd members in immediate proximity to said individual.
As for Ed's admonishment of the Seattle crowd, I'm reminded of sitting on an amphitheater lawn years ago. Not in Seattle. Or even the Great Northwest. It was a far-away land. Jerry Cantrell was opening for Metallica. Like many others, I was sitting on my duff. Talking to my friends.
Jerry yelled at us. He was upset. I'm paraphrasing here, but I remember it quite vividly:
"C'mon people! What is this? A fuckin' movie?!?!"
I remember one woman, a beacon of rock enthusiasm in a sea of disinterest. She was 50 feet from center stage in the sparsely filled lawn. She had blond hair with a fantastic mullet. Feathered on top and everything. Devil horns flying from her hands, head banging in perfect rhythm.
Lame?...please...I hate to even say these words buuut, having gone to shows in Seattle since 92 I can say that there have been times Seattle fans have been a little tough, perhaps less then outwardly enthusiastic. I had the fortune of seeing 5 shows this tour (SD, Portland, Spokane, Vancouver, and Seattle).
Last night I was PROUD of Seattle. I've been to dozens of shows in the Seattle area but this was the first time I have taken the opportunity to see 5 shows in a tour. I have my own opinions about the performances, crowds, and other variables of each show...it was amazing to start noticing the small variables in the band, sound sets, and crowd behavior.
In Seattle some songs were not extended with crowd sing along etc. Here is something to take note of; For anyone calling Seattle crowds "Lame" ; SEATTLE crowds don't need to be prompted or taught when, what, and where to sing. The reason you didn't hear the singing is because we were singing right along with him during the song...(and for the record the key arena has the worst acoustics of any venue I have EVER been to...no joke). But that is just my own personal observation/realization last night, which may or may not be accurate.
I've been asked "which was the best show out of the 5"...I can't even answer that!
Every show was unique and had it's own gems. Yes Vancouver blew the roof off the place...Oceans to open after all the talk on the board, very special indeed. Black was insane in Vancouver, I can't recall the last time I saw Eddie put that kind of emotion into that song. Not for you into Daughter into Okay...WOW. In Seattle Porch was off the charts...and fricken Seattle's Lukin killed it! Then just to top it off they ended with Eruption into Yellow Ledbetter!!! In San Diego I felt like I was at a private party with the bands family and friends. Portland was a unique intimate energetic crowd with a stunning performance by the band with so many special moments, speak and sing alongs. Spokane...well what can I say, Gleason was a wizard...Eddie gave it up for him and they blew my mind the whole night.
No need to hate on Seattle...I dare someone to come up with any PJ show that has more energy then "Seattle" has shown and proven throughout Pearl Jams history at various points in time...Let's not forget it was hell for many locals to get tickets for the first time ever (without mortgaging the home).
I thoroughly enjoyed myself and the performance last night and sad to here us called "lame Seattle crowd yet again."
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Why?
I'm not saying any show was lame... but are you saying you'd rather be at a lame show than an awesome show?
Note I said supposedly "lame". Basically, I'm saying that I had a great time at the show last night despite what everybody is saying about how great the other shows were. Am I supposed to feel that I missed out even though I had a great time?
best crowds Ive been a part of for sure.
Arena shows are generally not as good as theatre type venues. Arenas have poor acoustics, viewing angles, bad smells. You name it. Everything is wrong.
That's it.. Nuff said.
huh?
SPOT ON
No.
You ignore that stuff. I did mention that the band seems to remain unconvinced that the Seattle crowd is what they should be according to what they expect from them, but for you... that should mean nothing.
I was in Seattle in 2009 and heard the same stuff. I agreed with some of it, but ultimately, I didn't give a shit: I had a great time and it was one of my more memorable shows factoring in travel and the band's hometown.
But saying you would rather be at a weaker show than an 'awesome' show doesn't make sense. Saying, "Go fuk yourself"... now that makes sense!
The show looks great on paper... and if you are saying you had a great time... you sound like a guy I would like to have gone with! Have a good night, good holidays, and enjoy your bootleg when it comes out!
But I will say this: IMHO, "Nothingman" should never be the second song played at a show. Ever. Even if the entire set is acoustic.
You speak the truth. I yearn for that type of a show everytime I'm at the Key for PJ. absolute magic
There was no impromptu singing after Daughter, so that song was ended with no tag, for example. And when the crowd took over the verses to sing, it was not terribly loud. So if the OP is equating lack of volume with lameness, which I do not think is entirely fair, I understand where he is coming from.
But, there was some riff singing during Do the Evolution, and that did not happen in every show this tour. I am guessing Eddie probably felt the lack of volume at times, since he did mention it. But to me, it was a great show, and I had a great time rocking out from my pretty amazing seat in Section 127.
If I knew where it was I would take you there.
Yes, I had a great time. I'm sure the band is not obsessing about this kind of discussion on the boards like we all are. They're home and ready for a break. Anyway, have a good holiday as well.
Best. 3rd Post. Ever.
I couldn't have said it better myself!
There is a sense of Seattle entitlement to some people. Lots of hipsters here now. I think some folks definitely take the band for granted.
But with all that being said. I could really care less about crowds. They could play for a crowd of monks and it would still be cool to me. I come for the band.
Um, that's a bit over the top.
The singing in Boston’s TD Banknorth Garden was even more intimidating the next night, and a week later in
New Jersey, Vedder noted as such to the crowd in the Continental Airlines Arena.
“You know, you’ve got a few chances left to sing, but I gotta tell ya… Boston was louder.”
The gloves were officially off after that comment IMO..
EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
10/25/13 Hartford
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
this.
if you hate our "dead crowds" and "dead city"... stay the hell away then! I'd rather not get shut out of tenclub tix and wait 8 hrs at the fucking box office so a bunch of people can fly in from all over the place and come here and bitch about it the next day.
I was in 107 with my new friends from the box office line. From where I was, the crowd was drowning out the music at times. It was LOUD. It wasn't the best crowd Ive been in (Missoula prolly is), but it was pretty damn good.
I seriously don't know what you people expect
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
I love this post. I got shut out for the first time ever and ended up toward the top behind the friggin stage, so please save the bitching. There were a lot of people like me all over the arena, and we brought it. That was easily the best 2nd level of any of the four shows I went to. Not even close.
1) said individual's proximity to the stage
2) the demeanor of other crowd members in immediate proximity to said individual.
As for Ed's admonishment of the Seattle crowd, I'm reminded of sitting on an amphitheater lawn years ago. Not in Seattle. Or even the Great Northwest. It was a far-away land. Jerry Cantrell was opening for Metallica. Like many others, I was sitting on my duff. Talking to my friends.
Jerry yelled at us. He was upset. I'm paraphrasing here, but I remember it quite vividly:
"C'mon people! What is this? A fuckin' movie?!?!"
I remember one woman, a beacon of rock enthusiasm in a sea of disinterest. She was 50 feet from center stage in the sparsely filled lawn. She had blond hair with a fantastic mullet. Feathered on top and everything. Devil horns flying from her hands, head banging in perfect rhythm.
And there I was. Sitting on my ass. Being lame.
And I felt shame.
:(
Now those fuckers are LAME!!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Last night I was PROUD of Seattle. I've been to dozens of shows in the Seattle area but this was the first time I have taken the opportunity to see 5 shows in a tour. I have my own opinions about the performances, crowds, and other variables of each show...it was amazing to start noticing the small variables in the band, sound sets, and crowd behavior.
In Seattle some songs were not extended with crowd sing along etc. Here is something to take note of; For anyone calling Seattle crowds "Lame" ; SEATTLE crowds don't need to be prompted or taught when, what, and where to sing. The reason you didn't hear the singing is because we were singing right along with him during the song...(and for the record the key arena has the worst acoustics of any venue I have EVER been to...no joke). But that is just my own personal observation/realization last night, which may or may not be accurate.
I've been asked "which was the best show out of the 5"...I can't even answer that!
Every show was unique and had it's own gems. Yes Vancouver blew the roof off the place...Oceans to open after all the talk on the board, very special indeed. Black was insane in Vancouver, I can't recall the last time I saw Eddie put that kind of emotion into that song. Not for you into Daughter into Okay...WOW. In Seattle Porch was off the charts...and fricken Seattle's Lukin killed it! Then just to top it off they ended with Eruption into Yellow Ledbetter!!! In San Diego I felt like I was at a private party with the bands family and friends. Portland was a unique intimate energetic crowd with a stunning performance by the band with so many special moments, speak and sing alongs. Spokane...well what can I say, Gleason was a wizard...Eddie gave it up for him and they blew my mind the whole night.
No need to hate on Seattle...I dare someone to come up with any PJ show that has more energy then "Seattle" has shown and proven throughout Pearl Jams history at various points in time...Let's not forget it was hell for many locals to get tickets for the first time ever (without mortgaging the home).
I thoroughly enjoyed myself and the performance last night and sad to here us called "lame Seattle crowd yet again."
Peace