Gearing up for war?

brianlux

The recent news out of East Asia is cause for concern- a US war with China (any combination of US/China/Japan) would not be a small skirmish.

Thoughts?

http://news.yahoo.com/u-sends-submarine ... nance.html

U.S. sends new submarine-hunting jets to Japan amid East Asia tension

TOKYO (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy's first advanced P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft has arrived in Japan, the start of a deployment that will upgrade America's ability to hunt submarines and other vessels in seas close to China as tension in the region mounts.

The deployment, planned before China last month established an air defense zone covering islands controlled by Japan and claimed by Beijing, includes six aircraft to be delivered to Kadena air base on Okinawa this month.

The first arrived on Sunday, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy told Reuters. The mission in the waters west of Japan's main islands will be the new aircraft's first anywhere.

The jet, built by Boeing Co based on its 737 passenger plane, has been built to replace the aging propeller-powered Lockheed Martin P-3 Orion patrol aircraft, which has been in service for 50 years.

Packed with the latest radar equipment and armed with torpedoes and anti-ship missiles, the P-8 is able to fly further and stay out on mission longer than the P-3.

The arrival of the P-8 came a day before U.S. Vice President Joe Biden is due to arrive in Tokyo, a visit that is being overshadowed by the territorial spat in the East China Sea between Japan and China.

While taking no position on the sovereignty of the islands known to the Japanese as the Senkakus and to the Chinese as the Daioyu, it does recognize Japanese control and therefore part of territory it would defend under a security pact with Japan.

polaris_x

there is no chance china and the US would go to war ...

countries are too intertwined ... huge chunk of chinese economy is in manufacturing shitty things for consumption in the world's biggest consumption economy ... factor in how much US debt is actually owned by China and you got no chance for war ...

Johnny Aggro

polaris_x wrote:

there is no chance china and the US would go to war ...

countries are too intertwined ... huge chunk of chinese economy is in manufacturing shitty things for consumption in the world's biggest consumption economy ... factor in how much US debt is actually owned by China and you got no chance for war ...

Bomb your largest creditor? Its a strategy alright!

Godfather.

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

mickeyrat

Godfather. wrote:

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

interesting, the one pres who has ordered more targeted assassinations than any other.

Was roosevelt weak before or after pearl harbor? enter a world war in the midst of a depression?

Kennedy weal during the cuban missle crisis?

Shit Reagan just spent a bunch of YOUR GRANDCHILDRENS money back in the 80's, we're still paying that shit off from then.

Bush Sr weak for adhereing to UN mandate in regards to Iraq and expelling them for Kuwait?


A country that still spends 50+ cents of every dollar on defense is weak.

Gotcha, Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

yeah, cause spying on your allies and bombing innocents with drones is seen as weak. :fp:

Last-12-Exit

I don't see war with China happening. But if it did......take cover.

brianlux

War today is almost always, inevitably about oil. Digging a little deeper, I found this:

The dispute is part of the ebb and flow of regional power in a tense corner of the world, where China, Japan and Taiwan all lay claim to the islands. While uninhabited, the islands’ surrounding waters are rich in fish, natural gas and oil.

from this article:

http://swampland.time.com/2013/11/25/me ... from-iran/

unsung

There is ALWAYS a bad guy.

Idris

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

yeah, cause spying on your allies and bombing innocents with drones is seen as weak. :fp:

If it's not seen as 'weak', it should be.

It takes a weak man to resort to dropping bombs on innocent people and not trusting ones 'friends/allies', that's not a person of strength, rather a person who lacks real strength and decent character. If anything his actions have proven or shown/uncovered his many weaknesses.

and by doing so made this country a 'stronger target'.

retropony

Not sure if I read this article from a previous thread on here, if so, I apologize for not remembering. I thought it was a really good article though.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/201 ... tw-nytimes

brianlux

retropony wrote:

Not sure if I read this article from a previous thread on here, if so, I apologize for not remembering. I thought it was a really good article though.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/201 ... tw-nytimes

Yes, very good article.

Again, it seems to be all about the oil. Burn baby burn. Things are heating up. :(

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

Another opinion, gained from the World of cartoons and personal fantasies. Though I see that you've bolded the word 'opinion', as if your gibberish is something that you're actually proud of. Weird.

Byrnzie

Idris wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

yeah, cause spying on your allies and bombing innocents with drones is seen as weak. :fp:

If it's not seen as 'weak', it should be.

It takes a weak man to resort to dropping bombs on innocent people and not trusting ones 'friends/allies', that's not a person of strength, rather a person who lacks real strength and decent character. If anything his actions have proven or shown/uncovered his many weaknesses.

and by doing so made this country a 'stronger target'.

You make it sound as if the U.S and it's foreign policy is governed by a single 'person'. Do you really believe that?

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

yeah, cause spying on your allies and bombing innocents with drones is seen as weak. :fp:

ohhhh geeeze I'm sorry I forgot about you and all your wisdom,next time I will run my opinion past you in a PM first just to make sure it's o.k.......RIGHT !


Godfather.

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

Another opinion, gained from the World of cartoons and personal fantasies. Though I see that you've bolded the word 'opinion', as if your gibberish is something that you're actually proud of. Weird.

go home and tell your mother she wants you.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

go home and tell your mother she wants you.

Godfather.

Err...o.k. :?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Idris wrote:

If it's not seen as 'weak', it should be.

It takes a weak man to resort to dropping bombs on innocent people and not trusting ones 'friends/allies', that's not a person of strength, rather a person who lacks real strength and decent character. If anything his actions have proven or shown/uncovered his many weaknesses.

and by doing so made this country a 'stronger target'.

I agree, however, that's how the world's POWERS have been doing business for centuries. for example, most of the world thinks that capturing Saddam and hanging him in a back room was something to celebrate. I saw it as cowardly. Unfortunately, most of the US think it was an act of patriotic heroism.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

every country in the world PROBABLY looks at obama and thinks......yeah I can kick his ass.
I know it's no laughing matter but I seriously believe they think obama has made this country a weaker target.
that's just my OPINION.


Godfather.

Another opinion, gained from the World of cartoons and personal fantasies. Though I see that you've bolded the word 'opinion', as if your gibberish is something that you're actually proud of. Weird.

go home and tell your mother she wants you.

Godfather.

:?

puremagic

Diversion. Biden vs Hillary [Biden needs updated foreign exposure.] It’s not about the islands, it’s about the air/sea corridors. What is international and what is China’s? Biden’s putting alot on the line with this intervention. If he fails, he’s out and the Republicans will only have Hillary to contend with.

The place to watch is the Ukriane. John McCain put all his clout behind Georgia and Georgia failed, now you have the largest black market operation and Chechnya in danger of having Russian oversight again. This could get really, really nasty because both Chechnya, the Ukrane and Russia have very, very close ties to China.

Jason P

puremagic wrote:

Diversion. Biden vs Hillary [Biden needs updated foreign exposure.] It’s not about the islands, it’s about the air/sea corridors. What is international and what is China’s? Biden’s putting alot on the line with this intervention. If he fails, he’s out and the Republicans will only have Hillary to contend with.

It's Smokin' Joe! What could go wrong?

:P

(and now time for my favorite non-onion joe photo .....)