Setlist Statistics (pjdb.net)

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  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
    PJStatTracker wrote:
    Roeland wrote:
    I've added Ukelele Songs. Ed solo and group versions are indeed counting as the same. I could split them up but then the problem would be where to draw the line, what would you do with Ed presets, Ed solo songs at the beginning of encores...
    You can deselect Ed solo shows through the filter menu.

    I've obviously spent a considerable amount of time thinking about and discussing (especially with Wilds) where to draw this line. There is no right answer, and believe me when I say people are very passionate about it. Here are my thoughts after working on this stuff for a couple of years:

    - If it is played at a Pearl Jam event, then it is considered a Pearl Jam performance. This means pre-sets, EV solo performances, etc. are all part of the Pearl Jam show that night. Wilds recently pointed out that this makes the Bob Dylan tribute performance from '92 an EV solo event (plus Mike), and I agree with that.

    - IMO, Sleeping By Myself by Pearl Jam is a different song than Sleeping By Myself by Eddie Vedder. It has a different structure and tone, but most importantly - like Can't Keep - it is on a Pearl Jam album. This is different than, say, Setting Forth which I consider a Pearl Jam cover of an EV song.

    - I have also determined that only performances with a proper audience count. This means I don't include radio performance, sound checks, etc., but do include Saturday Night Live, Letterman, and the like.

    Inevitably, your line will be different from mine and I think that's totally fine. Take it all with a grain of salt and keep up the great work! I'm happy to have something to point to for the non-iOS crowd.

    For me, I totally count EV solo performances of Pearl Jam songs in my stats. So very happy to have that option. I do this mostly for the inclusion of Arc, which is the same version heard in 2003 nine times, only perfected in a better setting, without the crowd chatter.

    With that said, if Stone ever busted out Mankind at a solo gig, I think that would count. So for me it's more about the "Pearl Jam" songs heard, than it is "Pearl Jam" doing pearl jam songs, as long as a member of Pearl Jam is doing the singing.

    I've only got two songs from EV Solo that I don't have by the "whole band", Arc, and Can't Keep. But if I never hear the entire band do those two songs, and finally get "Get Right", I'll feel satisfied that I've heard all of Riot Act.
  • RE4790
    RE4790 Posts: 826
    PJStatTracker wrote:
    Roeland wrote:
    I've added Ukelele Songs. Ed solo and group versions are indeed counting as the same. I could split them up but then the problem would be where to draw the line, what would you do with Ed presets, Ed solo songs at the beginning of encores...
    You can deselect Ed solo shows through the filter menu.

    I've obviously spent a considerable amount of time thinking about and discussing (especially with Wilds) where to draw this line. There is no right answer, and believe me when I say people are very passionate about it. Here are my thoughts after working on this stuff for a couple of years:

    - If it is played at a Pearl Jam event, then it is considered a Pearl Jam performance. This means pre-sets, EV solo performances, etc. are all part of the Pearl Jam show that night. Wilds recently pointed out that this makes the Bob Dylan tribute performance from '92 an EV solo event (plus Mike), and I agree with that.

    - IMO, Sleeping By Myself by Pearl Jam is a different song than Sleeping By Myself by Eddie Vedder. It has a different structure and tone, but most importantly - like Can't Keep - it is on a Pearl Jam album. This is different than, say, Setting Forth which I consider a Pearl Jam cover of an EV song.

    - I have also determined that only performances with a proper audience count. This means I don't include radio performance, sound checks, etc., but do include Saturday Night Live, Letterman, and the like.

    Inevitably, your line will be different from mine and I think that's totally fine. Take it all with a grain of salt and keep up the great work! I'm happy to have something to point to for the non-iOS crowd.


    I think you nailed it and I like the way you do it in your app. EV solo shows should not count anymore than hearing Boom sing one at a tikki bar nor should PJ members guesting with opening acts, but Ed pre-sets should. Like you said, anything done in the context of a PJ concert is a PJ performance.

    The only thing I disagree with, and I think we chatted about this briefly while you were promoting the app at PJ20 IIRC, is that you treat tags as performances in many cases. A few lines from a song shouldn't count IMHO (WMA being the most frequent example), but opinions are like a**holes and I respect the hell out of what you you made.
  • PJStatTracker
    PJStatTracker Posts: 2,400
    RE4790 wrote:

    The only thing I disagree with, and I think we chatted about this briefly while you were promoting the app at PJ20 IIRC, is that you treat tags as performances in many cases. A few lines from a song shouldn't count IMHO (WMA being the most frequent example), but opinions are like a**holes and I respect the hell out of what you you made.

    Yeah this is something that people are about 50/50 on, so I went with the option that is most inclusive. I think in the next version I will specify how many times you have seen a full song vs. tagged, but will still let the tagged songs count toward the trophies. I still believe that they are, even if in a small way, a performance of the song. I totally get your point of view there, though.
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,916
    Any way to get tags added as songs?

    I think the only album I've seen front to back is Vs. Pearl Jam did quite a good tag of W.M.A (attached to daughter) at calgary 09, but it doesn't get listed as a song I've seen live. I think it should count :)
  • restlesssoul
    restlesssoul Posts: 6,952
    Zod wrote:
    Any way to get tags added as songs?

    I think the only album I've seen front to back is Vs. Pearl Jam did quite a good tag of W.M.A (attached to daughter) at calgary 09, but it doesn't get listed as a song I've seen live. I think it should count :)


    disagree. tag is not full song.

    WMA at MSG in 2008 is a full rendition of the song.
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,916
    restlesssoul wrote:
    Zod wrote:
    Any way to get tags added as songs?

    I think the only album I've seen front to back is Vs. Pearl Jam did quite a good tag of W.M.A (attached to daughter) at calgary 09, but it doesn't get listed as a song I've seen live. I think it should count :)


    disagree. tag is not full song.

    WMA at MSG in 2008 is a full rendition of the song.


    It still is the song though. It's not like I've never heard pearl jam play any of W.M.A.

    I guess this is the 50/50 argument the poster above is talking about :)
  • PJStatTracker
    PJStatTracker Posts: 2,400
    Zod wrote:
    restlesssoul wrote:
    Zod wrote:
    Any way to get tags added as songs?

    I think the only album I've seen front to back is Vs. Pearl Jam did quite a good tag of W.M.A (attached to daughter) at calgary 09, but it doesn't get listed as a song I've seen live. I think it should count :)


    disagree. tag is not full song.

    WMA at MSG in 2008 is a full rendition of the song.


    It still is the song though. It's not like I've never heard pearl jam play any of W.M.A.

    I guess this is the 50/50 argument the poster above is talking about :)

    yes...exactly!
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  • JohnnieBeBlue
    JohnnieBeBlue Posts: 630
    From all of us Android users who couldn't use the iPhone app, thank you for this site!
  • lastexit78
    lastexit78 Posts: 618
    Just got to say good job with this site. I had created a spreadsheet a while back trying to track my 36 shows and this makes it way easier. Cool to see all the stats on my dashboard. Thanks again!
    06/22/95, 11/04/95, 11/15/97, 07/16/98, 10/30/99, 10/30/00, 10/31/00, 10/20/01, 10/21/01, 12/08/02, 06/01/03, 06/06/03, 10/25/03, 10/26/03, 09/28/04, 03/18/05, 09/01/05, 07/15/06, 07/16/06, 07/18/06, 07/22/06, 07/23/06, 10/21/06, 10/22/06, 08/28/09, 09/21/09, 09/22/09, 05/20/10, 05/21/10, 10/24/10, 11/26/13, 12/06/13, 06/28/14, 10/26/14, 07/10/18, 08/10/18, 10/02/21, 
  • Wilds
    Wilds Posts: 4,329
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  • Washed
    Washed Posts: 736
    Wonderful work! Thanks for creating this site and sharing with us.
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  • morello
    morello Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 6,217
    Thank-you SO much for this! I too have sat in envy about the iphone pjstattracker so it is FAB to have this now!!! YAY & THANK-YOU & happy new year! :D
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  • CopperTom
    CopperTom Posts: 3,149
    I love all of the stat trackers. Thank you for your hard work.
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  • Christel
    Christel Posts: 50
    Thank you Roeland! :)
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,489
    Is this site dead? Have been trying to unsuccessfully access it the last few weeks
  • dgater
    dgater Posts: 54
    Try this site. https://livefootsteps.org/
  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,680
    drfox said:
    Is this site dead? Have been trying to unsuccessfully access it the last few weeks

    You could try archive.org's wayback machine, but your mileage may vary when it comes to the site's functionality. I recommend selecting a snapshot prior to 2021:


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