What lineup will be at the HOF induction?

TauranTauran Posts: 90
edited November 2008 in The Porch
Hi,

I was just bored, and thinking about stuff, and I was wondering.

Pearl Jam will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the not so distant future (IMO). Maybe it is explained somewhere on the HOF website or something but how would the induction work exactly?

Matt would get inducted before PJ because Ultramega OK came out in 1988, and Soundgarden should definetly get in asap.

So you have Stone, Jeff, Ed, and Mike, and then... the drummer spot is interesting... would Dave Krusen be standing up there with them? Matt has been with them the longest, and he will almost certainly be the one to play with them on the induction night, (with Irons maybe sitting in on a song because they are still friendly with him?) but I am just curious if anyone knows how the HOF deals with situations like this.

I swear I have seen some cases where the original recording lineup was honored even if one of the members was literally only on that first album. Then I swear I have seen other cases where members snagged after the first album were included as well.

I'll keep looking around, but I thought it might be a point of discussion.

Hmmm,
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  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    My guess is the current line-up is the one that takes the stage. However, previous band members can be and have been honored/inducted.

    For instance, Syd Barrett was an inductee with Pink Floyd, even though he had not been part of the band since 1968 or so.

    However, the list of inductees for AC/DC does not include two previous drummers, Simon Wright and Chris Slade...plus former bassist Mark Evans.

    I'd like to know how this is decided myself.
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  • TauranTauran Posts: 90
    I understand Syd Barrett getting in because he made two albums with PF, made a major imprint on their sound, and was with the band for four years.

    The example you provided of the two AC/DC drummers leads me to believe that it is possible that Dave A, Jack Irons, and Matt would not be inducted with Pearl Jam. There is still the possibility that Krusen is up there with them, which in my opinion would definetly cause a bit of a "who the hell is that" reaction from many casual fans. Just some dude that few recognize ,standing with them, is a funny scene to me.

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  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    I dunno...Dave Krusen was out before Ten was even released.

    I could see Dave A. and Matt being inducted. Matt has been with them longer than any drummer, but Dave was there when they were the most popular band in the world.

    The example I cited with Mark Evans of AC/DC...he was their first recorded bassist...playing on the first three albums. And he was excluded. Yet both vocalists were inducted (as they should have been).

    Who the hell knows? :)
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  • RiotAct10RiotAct10 Posts: 1,618
    I would think a lot of it is up to the band. The five current members will definitely all be inducted together, and have their signatures all on the wall. I wouldn't be surprised if Jack gets to sign to, as he not only played in the band for three or so years, but he also introduced Ed to the band. The real question is whether the problems of the past or put behind them, and they ask Dave A. to join them, seeing as he was the drummer during the period when they were the biggest band in the world. I sort of doubt including Dave K., because he was gone before they even got big, but he did drum on their biggest album. And then there's Boom....
    words seem so out of place.

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  • JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    Honestly, I think Boom would be there before any of the other drummers...no joke. Toured for five years, helped on two albums. Makes sense.

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  • NewDamage wrote:
    I dunno...Dave Krusen was out before Ten was even released.

    I could see Dave A. and Matt being inducted. Matt has been with them longer than any drummer, but Dave was there when they were the most popular band in the world.

    The example I cited with Mark Evans of AC/DC...he was their first recorded bassist...playing on the first three albums. And he was excluded. Yet both vocalists were inducted (as they should have been).

    Who the hell knows? :)

    I agree...with the success of Ten and Vs. Dave A will def have some sort of honorable mention. I don't see much hope for Jack Irons or Dave K...Matt definitely. Depending on this new album, if Matt writes some great songs and the album does well...Yield and Avocado were great albums he was involved in and binaural and RA will certainly get their credit tho not the standouts of the group
    this has been talked about it another thread with many posts...u should check it out tauran
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  • SpencerSpencer Posts: 867
    Matt definitely. Depending on this new album, if Matt writes some great songs and the album does well...Yield and Avocado were great albums he was involved in

    Jack Irons plays drums on Yield.
  • spencer wrote:
    Jack Irons plays drums on Yield.

    but didnt matt write "You Are" - i interpreted that as he was on the album
    i didnt kno irons was too

    i understand matt played the drums on footsteps, once, and alive but i dont consider ten to be his album either
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  • but didnt matt write "You Are" - i interpreted that as he was on the album
    i didnt kno irons was too

    i understand matt played the drums on footsteps, once, and alive but i dont consider ten to be his album either

    "You Are" is not on Yield, it's on Riot Act. And Matt may have played on the demos for Footsteps, Once, and Alive, but on Ten it's Dave Krusen who played on Alive and Once.
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  • Honestly, I think Boom would be there before any of the other drummers...no joke. Toured for five years, helped on two albums. Makes sense.

    I don't think so. He's not even credited as being an "official member." Dave A and Jack Irons contributed far more to Pearl Jam than Boom ever will.
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  • Tauran wrote:
    Hi,

    Soundgarden should definetly get in asap.

    I do not believe bands like Soundgarden or Alice in Chains will get in...
  • "You Are" is not on Yield, it's on Riot Act. And Matt may have played on the demos for Footsteps, Once, and Alive, but on Ten it's Dave Krusen who played on Alive and Once.

    ok well im glad i got my facts straight and i dont know what i was thinking i just checked my vinyls and sure enough you are is on RA...i always just pictured Faithful and You Are to be on the same record
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  • JP2026766JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    I don't think so. He's not even credited as being an "official member." Dave A and Jack Irons contributed far more to Pearl Jam than Boom ever will.

    I agree, but if Boom continues with the band for 2 more albums and 2 more tours, I think he will have to get a mention.

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  • ok well im glad i got my facts straight and i dont know what i was thinking i just checked my vinyls and sure enough you are is on RA...i always just pictured Faithful and You Are to be on the same record

    I'm sure that there's some live bootlegs out there that have both songs on them. :)
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  • I agree, but if Boom continues with the band for 2 more albums and 2 more tours, I think he will have to get a mention.

    I'm trying to think if there's ever been a band to have a "touring member" or "unofficial member" inducted with them, and none come to mind right now. Does anyone know of any?
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  • You guys are all assuming Pearl Jam is even a good enough band to get in.
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  • gohikegohike Posts: 31
    You think they'll get in?

    I like them enough, I just don't see it happening.
  • even better than this conversation

    the possibility of Temple of the Dog and PJ getting in on the the same year
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  • even better than this conversation

    the possibility of Temple of the Dog and PJ getting in on the the same year

    TOTD will be a footnote.
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  • TOTD will be a footnote.

    irregardless, mccready, stone. eddie. jeff and matt getting inducted twice in one year is unheard of
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  • suns rivalsuns rival Posts: 15,926
    though deserving, i really don't think that Temple of the Dog will be inducted in HOF.
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    even better than this conversation

    the possibility of Temple of the Dog and PJ getting in on the the same year

    TOTD is not getting in. i can see soundgarden getting in, as they (along with green river) were the pioneers of the generation. i'm doubting alice in chains, but who knows. nirvana is for sure...pumpkins are a probably.

    as for who will be there to accept for PJ, it will be the current lineup. they will give love to past members for sure. i'd like to see like 1 live song each with each main drummer (dave a, jack, and matt), but i doubt that...i'd say jack will be there for sure. dave a...who knows.
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  • TauranTauran Posts: 90
    I will search out the previous discussion.

    This is very interesting. Maybe just the 4 that have been there the whole time will get inducted?

    As for Soundgarden, my reasoning behind them getting inducted is that in my mind they are one of the four biggest bands during one of the biggest shifts in the sound of rock and roll. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Alice In Chains are the top four, as far as albums sales, fan following, and impact on the sound of many, many bands since then.

    If Soundgarden is never inducted look for Chris Cornell to be inducted on his own at some point. He is just tooinfluential and important to Rock for the HOF to totally pass up.

    I also think that bands like Nine Inch Nails and Queens of the Stone Age will eventually get in, thats just my opinion. Maybe I'm just being optimistic.

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  • Tauran wrote:
    Pearl Jam will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the not so distant future (IMO).

    Sorry, but not happening any time soon. I'm not trying to be a Negative Nancy. But speculate all you want, it's not happening for a long time.
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  • TauranTauran Posts: 90
    UndieTaker wrote:
    Sorry, but not happening any time soon. I'm not trying to be a Negative Nancy. But speculate all you want, it's not happening for a long time.

    To specify I think it will be inbetween 10-12 years from now.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,425
    Pearl Jam will be inducted in the first few years of eligibility, easily.

    Pretty critically acclaimed. Made it to the top as the biggest band in the world. Sold loads of albums. Great live band. Exalted by their peers and the forefathers of rock.
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    I don't see them bringing Dave A up on stage with them; it would be the honorable thing to do...mind you...but I don't see it happening.

    Dave will likely get mentioned/thanked;as will Jack...

    But Matt will be the drummer that gets the nod.

    Hard to believe that Matt has been with them for 10 years now; Amazing.

    Anyways...I'm more interested to find out who inducts the band.
  • NewDamageNewDamage Posts: 1,913
    Tauran wrote:
    To specify I think it will be inbetween 10-12 years from now.
    They'll probably be first ballot. But they're not even eligible until 2016, so they've got a while to sort all this out. :)
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  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    I don't see any reason why Pearl Jam wouldn't make it in on the first Ballot. They've sold over 60 Million records in their career and are highly respected by their peers.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,820
    The only band members who will show up for the ceremony will be Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony.
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