A good (scientific) reason to buy "Sevens" LB box set

bicyclejoe

For all of those wondering why Pearl Jam and a vinyl fan would buy the "Sevens" box set, aside from flipping it, here's why I bought it: 45 rpm records sound more "alive."
Higher speed means larger capacity for storing information. Lower speed is more convenient from the storage and costs point of view. Performance wise, 45 rpm editions always sound better than 33 rpm ones, provided that the rest of the variables are equal (master tape, vinyl quality and so on).
I'm not sure why another vinyl geek hasn't brought this up yet.

BrainOfMA

This is exactly the main reason why I bought this. I think this will sound a lot better than the regular Lightning Bolt 33 speed vinyl

bicyclejoe

I've always collected 45's of my favorite tracks.
Often, the mix even different than the album mix.
You throw them on and - BAM! - the bottom end, punch, and sheer volume blast you out of your seat!
With band like Pj, I always take 45's more seriously.

majleap3

I'd love to buy it! It pisses me off it's already being flipped on Amazon and many people missed out on the opportunity to buy it. I never received my 10C November email. I hope they do the right thing and offer us another opportunity.

PJ_Soul

The reason I bought it is because singles are made so that you just listen to one song, because you just want to listen to single songs and not the whole album in order. It's not rocket science. I am completely confused as to why the whole point of singles is escaping so many people. And it becomes comedy once people assume the way this thing would be listened to is playing every song in order using the singles, but somehow that is where a lot of people's minds went. The fact that singles sound marginally better is just a bonus.

PJ_Soul

majleap3 wrote:

I'd love to buy it! It pisses me off it's already being flipped on Amazon and many people missed out on the opportunity to buy it. I never received my 10C November email. I hope they do the right thing and offer us another opportunity.

For next time, just keep in mind that the newsletter is posted on this website at the same time on the 10th of every month.

bootlegger10

PJ_Soul wrote:

The reason I bought it is because singles are made so that you just listen to one song, because you just want to listen to single songs and not the whole album in order. It's not rocket science. I am completely confused as to why the whole point of singles is escaping so many people. And it becomes comedy once people assume the way this thing would be listened to is playing every song in order using the singles, but somehow that is where a lot of people's minds went. The fact that singles sound marginally better is just a bonus.

I think part of it is that it is easy to listen to just one song on a full vinyl LP and thus it is more convenient to have one full record. I wouldn't think it would be more convenient to have a record on six singles as far as storage goes.

majleap3

For next time, just keep in mind that the newsletter is posted on this website at the same time on the 10th of every month.[/quote]

Thanks, I'm aware of that. Maybe I missed some pre-announcement but this still sucks big time. What was it a day before it sold out? This is different than missing out on show tickets; we barely knew this existed before it's sold out and on amazon. I pay my $40 a year to have access to this stuff. I'll happily give PJ another $70 just give me a chance to buy the shit.

october22

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

The reason I bought it is because singles are made so that you just listen to one song, because you just want to listen to single songs and not the whole album in order. It's not rocket science. I am completely confused as to why the whole point of singles is escaping so many people. And it becomes comedy once people assume the way this thing would be listened to is playing every song in order using the singles, but somehow that is where a lot of people's minds went. The fact that singles sound marginally better is just a bonus.

I think part of it is that it is easy to listen to just one song on a full vinyl LP and thus it is more convenient to have one full record. I wouldn't think it would be more convenient to have a record on six singles as far as storage goes.

Bingo. I'm not confused, PJ_Soul! (you little snob, you :P ) I just don't see the point (besides the marginal fidelity issue that honestly very few people have the equipment for). Plus, PJ albums are unfortunately usually mastered like crap anyway. Would you buy 12 cd's of an album you already own to listen to just one song at a time??

I think the "scientific reason" given by the OP (news to very few as it's been brought up many times in the main thread on this topic, by the way) is a better argument for vinyl fidelity in general than a convincing one to drop another $60-$80 on a record I already own. I can see the damn tracks, thank you very much. I mean, yeah it's a neat collectible I guess but other than that...eh. My point is that it's not that people don't "understand", it's that many see little value in it other than a collectible. But whatever, I'm happy you're happy!

bicyclejoe

Easy there, brother. I was just helping answer a question I didn't see answered. Just trying to help.

iOnlyownMymind

october22 wrote:

I think the "scientific reason" given by the OP (news to very few as it's been brought up many times in the main thread on this topic, by the way) is a better argument for vinyl fidelity in general than a convincing one to drop another $60-$80 on a record I already own. I can see the damn tracks, thank you very much. I mean, yeah it's a neat collectible I guess but other than that...eh. My point is that it's not that people don't "understand", it's that many see little value in it other than a collectible. But whatever, I'm happy you're happy!

I'd much rather have a collectible that's actually music instead of ugly plastic sheep or trading cards.

madtowndave

iOnlyownMymind wrote:

october22 wrote:

I think the "scientific reason" given by the OP (news to very few as it's been brought up many times in the main thread on this topic, by the way) is a better argument for vinyl fidelity in general than a convincing one to drop another $60-$80 on a record I already own. I can see the damn tracks, thank you very much. I mean, yeah it's a neat collectible I guess but other than that...eh. My point is that it's not that people don't "understand", it's that many see little value in it other than a collectible. But whatever, I'm happy you're happy!

I'd much rather have a collectible that's actually music instead of ugly plastic sheep or trading cards.

+1

DewieCox

Great reasoning, flipping and changing records won't be worth the hassle of a slight improvement. If PJ had a history of putting out audiophile quality stuff it could be different. Though, I would be all over a double 12" mastered at 45rpm.

Tim Simmons

The theory on 45rpm over 33rpm is the faster speed passes more "information" through the needle. It also allows for deeper and more spacious grooves which provide better resolution and bass.

That being said, it really comes down to how this thing is cut and I'm not super optimistic that this will be much better than the 33rpm 12". But yes, the potential for it to be better is definitely there.

october22

bicyclejoe wrote:

Easy there, brother. I was just helping answer a question I didn't see answered. Just trying to help.

I know. Didn't mean to come off cock-like

october22

iOnlyownMymind wrote:

october22 wrote:

I think the "scientific reason" given by the OP (news to very few as it's been brought up many times in the main thread on this topic, by the way) is a better argument for vinyl fidelity in general than a convincing one to drop another $60-$80 on a record I already own. I can see the damn tracks, thank you very much. I mean, yeah it's a neat collectible I guess but other than that...eh. My point is that it's not that people don't "understand", it's that many see little value in it other than a collectible. But whatever, I'm happy you're happy!

I'd much rather have a collectible that's actually music instead of ugly plastic sheep or trading cards.

Absolutely. I definitely think it's a cool collectible. I just think the sound quantity argument is probably over-rated on this one. That's my only point.

javis el errante

bicyclejoe wrote:

For all of those wondering why Pearl Jam and a vinyl fan would buy the "Sevens" box set, aside from flipping it, here's why I bought it: 45 rpm records sound more "alive."
Higher speed means larger capacity for storing information. Lower speed is more convenient from the storage and costs point of view. Performance wise, 45 rpm editions always sound better than 33 rpm ones, provided that the rest of the variables are equal (master tape, vinyl quality and so on).
I'm not sure why another vinyl geek hasn't brought this up yet.

Us vinyl freaks take this for granted, more over, us pj fans/vinyl freaks understand the axiom "pj+vinyl+collectible=buynow!" as 1+1=2... how come we need to explain and account for buying this?

bicyclejoe wrote:

I've always collected 45's of my favorite tracks.
Often, the mix even different than the album mix.
You throw them on and - BAM! - the bottom end, punch, and sheer volume blast you out of your seat!
With band like Pj, I always take 45's more seriously.

I do the same, never bought NAIS and Life Wasted, until I saw PJ20 movie, I always liked NAIS and Come Back but I found new and stronger love for those, and bought the 45's around the net... I love 45's: I have many Spoon singles and no albums, same with The Black Belles, bought all 45's from Dead Weather before buying the albums... and it's the reason I joined the 10C, the xmas singles, therefore later I became analog...

PJ_Soul wrote:

The reason I bought it is because singles are made so that you just listen to one song, because you just want to listen to single songs and not the whole album in order. It's not rocket science. I am completely confused as to why the whole point of singles is escaping so many people. And it becomes comedy once people assume the way this thing would be listened to is playing every song in order using the singles, but somehow that is where a lot of people's minds went. The fact that singles sound marginally better is just a bonus.

I was freaked out when I read the other thread, if someone thinks that 55 + shipping is too much, it's ok, if someone thinks it's a money grab, so be it, I may concur but still, with the funds and perfect time I would have bought it, why should I account to other why I bought it? I'm also confused about the fact some people isn't familiar with the concept of collecting vinyl, the aim of singles and the like, they don't grasp the meaning of this, and still are able to judge the answer they are given when asking about something they don't grasp...

theserialthrilla

I bought this as it has pj on it. :P

And I can now not have to listen to sbm

jm257212

Bought it because I wanted it. The end

ikiT

If analog sound is what we're after, I'd prefer to TAPE the FLAC, and save the 60 dollars, but that's just me.



The same thing on both sides, leave SBM off, it fits perfectly.

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

The reason I bought it is because singles are made so that you just listen to one song, because you just want to listen to single songs and not the whole album in order. It's not rocket science. I am completely confused as to why the whole point of singles is escaping so many people. And it becomes comedy once people assume the way this thing would be listened to is playing every song in order using the singles, but somehow that is where a lot of people's minds went. The fact that singles sound marginally better is just a bonus.

I think part of it is that it is easy to listen to just one song on a full vinyl LP and thus it is more convenient to have one full record. I wouldn't think it would be more convenient to have a record on six singles as far as storage goes.

I don't find d it easier at all... I never drop the needle in the exact right place on an LP, do you?? And you have to count the lines on the LP whole comparing to the track list, be really careful when dropping the needle (I am clumsy and won't even do it actually - i've scratched records doing that before).... i will find singles much, much easier. And then the LP is for hearing the whole album.
Anyway, the point was that singles are made to serve a purpose, which many people seem to have forgotten.

PJ_Soul

october22 wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

The reason I bought it is because singles are made so that you just listen to one song, because you just want to listen to single songs and not the whole album in order. It's not rocket science. I am completely confused as to why the whole point of singles is escaping so many people. And it becomes comedy once people assume the way this thing would be listened to is playing every song in order using the singles, but somehow that is where a lot of people's minds went. The fact that singles sound marginally better is just a bonus.

I think part of it is that it is easy to listen to just one song on a full vinyl LP and thus it is more convenient to have one full record. I wouldn't think it would be more convenient to have a record on six singles as far as storage goes.

Bingo. I'm not confused, PJ_Soul! (you little snob, you :P ) I just don't see the point (besides the marginal fidelity issue that honestly very few people have the equipment for). Plus, PJ albums are unfortunately usually mastered like crap anyway. Would you buy 12 cd's of an album you already own to listen to just one song at a time??

I think the "scientific reason" given by the OP (news to very few as it's been brought up many times in the main thread on this topic, by the way) is a better argument for vinyl fidelity in general than a convincing one to drop another $60-$80 on a record I already own. I can see the damn tracks, thank you very much. I mean, yeah it's a neat collectible I guess but other than that...eh. My point is that it's not that people don't "understand", it's that many see little value in it other than a collectible. But whatever, I'm happy you're happy!

I didn't think you were confused in particular - i know better than that, haha, but a lot of others seem to be, and you did say people were nuts to buy the thing, so i'm just saying why i'm not nuts. But I don't get the CD part. CDs have automatic song selection, and you don't drop a needle onto them or flip them... of course no one would buy 12 CD singles, because that would make no sense.

JKestle

I don't know about anyone else, but I listen to vinyl (and try to buy these releases) because it makes listening to music an "activity". I like changing records, running a brush over the vinyl, carefully dropping the needle, and reviewing the art and liner notes while I listen. Its like reading a book or watching a movie, a great excuse to give the music the time and attention it deserves.

Listening to Lightning Bolt in this format will be time that I consider well spent.

PJ_Soul

JKestle wrote:

I don't know about anyone else, but I listen to vinyl (and try to buy these releases) because it makes listening to music an "activity". I like changing records, running a brush over the vinyl, carefully dropping the needle, and reviewing the art and liner notes while I listen. Its like reading a book or watching a movie, a great excuse to give the music the time and attention it deserves.

Listening to Lightning Bolt in this format will be time that I consider well spent.

I relate to that.

guypjfreak

bicyclejoe wrote:

For all of those wondering why Pearl Jam and a vinyl fan would buy the "Sevens" box set, aside from flipping it,

some one on ebay selling it for £800 .thats wot you call a flip ..a flipping rip off :shock:

PJ_Soul

guypjfreak wrote:

bicyclejoe wrote:

For all of those wondering why Pearl Jam and a vinyl fan would buy the "Sevens" box set, aside from flipping it,

some one on ebay selling it for £800 .thats wot you call a flip ..a flipping rip off :shock:

It's a bold move!
I don't blame him for trying... if anyone is dumb enough to pay that, then good for the seller. It's the buyer who would be making it a rip off. If these things start selling for $1000 i'm going to flip it myself! ... They won't though. Once everyone stops losing their shit over it, they will probably go for maybe $300 at most.

brianlux

JKestle wrote:

I don't know about anyone else, but I listen to vinyl (and try to buy these releases) because it makes listening to music an "activity". I like changing records, running a brush over the vinyl, carefully dropping the needle, and reviewing the art and liner notes while I listen. Its like reading a book or watching a movie, a great excuse to give the music the time and attention it deserves.

Listening to Lightning Bolt in this format will be time that I consider well spent.

Yes! Well said!

october22

PJ_Soul wrote:

I didn't think you were confused in particular - i know better than that, haha, but a lot of others seem to be, and you did say people were nuts to buy the thing, so i'm just saying why i'm not nuts. But I don't get the CD part. CDs have automatic song selection, and you don't drop a needle onto them or flip them... of course no one would buy 12 CD singles, because that would make no sense.

Lol

OK FINE, YOU WIN!

You're smarter and all-around cooler than me and one day I will live to regret passing these up :P

PJ_Soul

october22 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I didn't think you were confused in particular - i know better than that, haha, but a lot of others seem to be, and you did say people were nuts to buy the thing, so i'm just saying why i'm not nuts. But I don't get the CD part. CDs have automatic song selection, and you don't drop a needle onto them or flip them... of course no one would buy 12 CD singles, because that would make no sense.

Lol

OK FINE, YOU WIN!

You're smarter and all-around cooler than me and one day I will live to regret passing these up :P

Wow, that is some solid sarcasm there my friend. Bravo.

october22

PJ_Soul wrote:

october22 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I didn't think you were confused in particular - i know better than that, haha, but a lot of others seem to be, and you did say people were nuts to buy the thing, so i'm just saying why i'm not nuts. But I don't get the CD part. CDs have automatic song selection, and you don't drop a needle onto them or flip them... of course no one would buy 12 CD singles, because that would make no sense.

Lol

OK FINE, YOU WIN!

You're smarter and all-around cooler than me and one day I will live to regret passing these up :P

Wow, that is some solid sarcasm there my friend. Bravo.

Except It wasn't!

lolobugg

You convinced me... now if only it was still available.
Can't believe I missed this :fp:
I have the T-REX 7 inch box set of Electric Warrior. It sounds great. awesome way to listen to the album.
and all the sleeves put together make a mini poster of Marc Bolan.

I am about to cry. of course i would've broken this open as soon as i got it.
damn u flippers..damn me for not checking my email.
guess it wasn't meant to be...
all of you who ordered it, let us know how it sounds when you receive it (hopefully in December)