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Philly 10/22 Betterman = Best?

aurynsdadaurynsdad Posts: 863
edited October 2013 in Given To Fly (live)
I was just listening to that performance and damn, I've never heard them jam so hard on that tune. Is this a regular thing these days, or was that a charged up one time dealio?
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    I was there and it was good but I didn't think it was as good as Brooklyn 2 a few nights earlier. And MSG 2 in 2010 was easily the best Better Man I've seen.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2

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  • aurynsdadaurynsdad Posts: 863
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    I was there and it was good but I didn't think it was as good as Brooklyn 2 a few nights earlier. And MSG 2 in 2010 was easily the best Better Man I've seen.

    Thanks- I'll give that one a listen.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    aurynsdad wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    I was there and it was good but I didn't think it was as good as Brooklyn 2 a few nights earlier. And MSG 2 in 2010 was easily the best Better Man I've seen.

    Thanks- I'll give that one a listen.

    Here watch the official video from the PJ20 movie:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4BObpNQqNo
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • embraceembrace Posts: 849
    edited October 2013
    aurynsdad wrote:
    I was just listening to that performance and damn, I've never heard them jam so hard on that tune. Is this a regular thing these days, or was that a charged up one time dealio?

    I was thinking on this as well- Always loved hearing this but that particular jam around the 4 min mark and tag were incredible- I'm likely biased though

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NerPBH4F_EQ
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Ive actually always felt that the Spectrum 03 show had the best Betterman
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    cp3iverson wrote:
    Ive actually always felt that the Spectrum 03 show had the best Betterman

    That show had the best everything.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2

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  • mustbechrismustbechris Posts: 228
    Spectrum 2 in 2009 is easily the best I've been to. By far.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2DsEoTynZ8

    "THAT was fucking beautiful."
    Speaking as a child of the 90's
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Always had a soft spot for San Diego 06. That one fuckin rocks.
  • mustbechrismustbechris Posts: 228
    fuck wrote:
    Always had a soft spot for San Diego 06. That one fuckin rocks.
    You have a great name. Thank you for doing you. :lol:
    Speaking as a child of the 90's
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,546
    MSG 2 2010 for me and there is no close second
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    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
    2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
  • phungiphungi Posts: 641
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    MSG 2 2010 for me and there is no close second
    was at MSG 2010, PHL 2009, PHL 2013, and the Betterman from MSG 2010 was above all others... many special shows and moments from these shows, but something very unique and incredible happened during that song at MSG...
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  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,395
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    MSG 2 2010 for me and there is no close second

    If you had said MSG 2 1998, you would have been correct.
  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,395
    phungi wrote:
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    MSG 2 2010 for me and there is no close second
    was at MSG 2010, PHL 2009, PHL 2013, and the Betterman from MSG 2010 was above all others... many special shows and moments from these shows, but something very unique and incredible happened during that song at MSG...

    As unique as Mansfield I 2008?
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,546
    mookieblalock wrote:
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    MSG 2 2010 for me and there is no close second

    If you had said MSG 2 1998, you would have been correct.

    I wasn't there, so how would I know
    severed hand thirteen
    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
    2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,395
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    mookieblalock wrote:
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    MSG 2 2010 for me and there is no close second

    If you had said MSG 2 1998, you would have been correct.

    I wasn't there, so how would I know

    I guess that's my point with these things, people only consider the shows they've been to.

    The better man from the garden night 2 in 98 is the best of all time (I've been to all the garden shows). I'd be curious to hear from others who were at all.

    And the single best moment of any PJ concert I've ever been to was during better man in Mansfield 2008.
  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    I really loved the tag on this one. That made it special. I just find it hard to rank the best performance of a song. There are always so many good ones. Not a bad problem to have :lol:
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,546
    mookieblalock wrote:
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    mookieblalock wrote:

    If you had said MSG 2 1998, you would have been correct.

    I wasn't there, so how would I know

    I guess that's my point with these things, people only consider the shows they've been to.

    And that's exactly why I wrote "for me"
    severed hand thirteen
    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
    2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
  • drlovemonkeydrlovemonkey Posts: 394
    I try not to fall into the "last show I saw was the greatest ever".... but Better Man in Hartford Fri night just felt more epic to me than any other Better Man I've seen. Granted it's only 5-6, nowhere near as many as some (most?) of you have seen.
  • iamloco724iamloco724 Brooklyn NY Posts: 1,441
    best one ive seen live is msg 2010
  • aurynsdadaurynsdad Posts: 863
    mookieblalock wrote:
    And the single best moment of any PJ concert I've ever been to was during better man in Mansfield 2008.

    Listening to it now. STRONG crowd singing at the beginning, after which is crazy extended applause. What happened?

    At the 5:00 mark, and it's pretty damn solid thus far. The crowd starting to clap to rhythm.

    "Save it for Later" tag, and great Eddie wail. Holy crap.

    Now Mike is going nuts. And at 7:20 it's a wrap. Thanks for introducing me to that one :)
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  • embraceembrace Posts: 849
    comebackgirl wrote:
    I really loved the tag on this one. That made it special. I just find it hard to rank the best performance of a song. There are always so many good ones. Not a bad problem to have :lol:
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  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,395
    aurynsdad wrote:
    mookieblalock wrote:
    And the single best moment of any PJ concert I've ever been to was during better man in Mansfield 2008.

    Listening to it now. STRONG crowd singing at the beginning, after which is crazy extended applause. What happened?

    At the 5:00 mark, and it's pretty damn solid thus far. The crowd starting to clap to rhythm.

    "Save it for Later" tag, and great Eddie wail. Holy crap.

    Now Mike is going nuts. And at 7:20 it's a wrap. Thanks for introducing me to that one :)

    Hard to describe what happened. It was just COMPLETELY spontaneous by the crowd...it was like a sea of applause that is hard to explain. At its height, the crowd was screaming at the top of its lungs and banging their seats as hard as they could. The look and surprise by Ed were priceless. He turns to Stone and they look at each other like, "what the ____ is happening here?" It was so loud, he had no choice but to wait for the crowd to stop. He wouldn't have been able to be heard even with a microphone.

    I'm not exaggerating when I say the bootleg does that moment zero justice. You just had to be there.
  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,395
    aurynsdad wrote:
    mookieblalock wrote:
    And the single best moment of any PJ concert I've ever been to was during better man in Mansfield 2008.



    Now Mike is going nuts. And at 7:20 it's a wrap. Thanks for introducing me to that one :)

    You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!
  • aurynsdadaurynsdad Posts: 863
    mookieblalock wrote:
    Hard to describe what happened. It was just COMPLETELY spontaneous by the crowd...it was like a sea of applause that is hard to explain. At its height, the crowd was screaming at the top of its lungs and banging their seats as hard as they could. The look and surprise by Ed were priceless. He turns to Stone and they look at each other like, "what the ____ is happening here?" It was so loud, he had no choice but to wait for the crowd to stop. He wouldn't have been able to be heard even with a microphone.

    I'm not exaggerating when I say the bootleg does that moment zero justice. You just had to be there.

    I believe it. I appreciate the explanation.
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  • kosteva2kosteva2 Posts: 329
    cp3iverson wrote:
    Ive actually always felt that the Spectrum 03 show had the best Betterman

    I agree with this one. Best version I've seen live out of about 15 or so. Nice extended Save it for Later tag from what I remember and good audience singalong.

    The 10/22/13 one mentioned in original post is near the top of my list for versions of it though. Definitely thought that was good version seeing it in real time at show and seemed a different, a little better than other versions, and seemed less played out.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,943
    drlovemonkey wrote:
    I try not to fall into the "last show I saw was the greatest ever".... but Better Man in Hartford Fri night just felt more epic to me than any other Better Man I've seen. Granted it's only 5-6, nowhere near as many as some (most?) of you have seen.

    I wholeheartedly agree with you.

    I turned To my buddy right after they finished Betterman in Hartford on Friday and immediately told him it was hands-down, the best version of that tune I've ever heard. (Seen it 9 times...... Thanks stat tracker!)

    That song, and whole night were something special.
  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,006
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    cp3iverson wrote:
    Ive actually always felt that the Spectrum 03 show had the best Betterman

    That show had the best everything.

    Yes, except that Mansfield 1 2008 had the best Betterman.
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,006
    mookieblalock wrote:
    aurynsdad wrote:
    mookieblalock wrote:
    And the single best moment of any PJ concert I've ever been to was during better man in Mansfield 2008.

    Listening to it now. STRONG crowd singing at the beginning, after which is crazy extended applause. What happened?

    At the 5:00 mark, and it's pretty damn solid thus far. The crowd starting to clap to rhythm.

    "Save it for Later" tag, and great Eddie wail. Holy crap.

    Now Mike is going nuts. And at 7:20 it's a wrap. Thanks for introducing me to that one :)

    Hard to describe what happened. It was just COMPLETELY spontaneous by the crowd...it was like a sea of applause that is hard to explain. At its height, the crowd was screaming at the top of its lungs and banging their seats as hard as they could. The look and surprise by Ed were priceless. He turns to Stone and they look at each other like, "what the ____ is happening here?" It was so loud, he had no choice but to wait for the crowd to stop. He wouldn't have been able to be heard even with a microphone.

    I'm not exaggerating when I say the bootleg does that moment zero justice. You just had to be there.

    It was amazing. Hartford was awesome, but nothing tops Mansfield 1 for Betterman. We were pounding on the seats so hard, it sounded like a train was rolling through. And I agree with you completely, the bootleg does not do it justice. It was so loud, so spontaneous, so JOYOUS -- there are no words for it. Frankly, I was kind of disappointed that the NY Betterman was included in PJ20 instead of Mansfield 2008 -- Mansfield deserved that spot. [And I'm not interested in the NY-Boston rivalry. I reside in NJ but consider Seattle to be my home, so I don't have a dog in that fight.]
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