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Thank you 10C for bringing back the GA Section

OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,409
edited October 2013 in The Porch
I wanted to personally thank the 10c for bringing back the GA section, and keeping it fanclub only. I joined the fanclub in 2003 and until this tour (ok, and the Vic in 2007), I never had a chance to be close to the band at all. My first 5 or 6 shows, the band were like ants from my seats. Lower 10c numbers and (at some venues) whoever could pay for the first 3 rows (rich people and celebrities) always got the best seats in the house. I was starting to lose hope that I would ever be close enough to even see a facial expression on any of the band member's faces. I always knew that if there was a GA section, I would at least have a chance to be close. Waiting in line for hours and standing the entire show was never a problem when the payoff is to be close to the band I love and the music I have endeared for the past 10 years. Even though my tenure isn't a long as other members, I greatly appreciate the chance to finally be close to the stage, surrounded by some of the best and most respectful fans in the country. I really, really hope the band keeps the 10c GA section for future shows and future tours. I think it is one of the best seating ideas to come around in years. Plus, I have to admit, having a GA floor area is FUN!!

I know how difficult of a decision this must have been for the band, but let me say that the crowds in the Pearl Jam pits are the most tame I've ever seen. Everyone is respectful of each others' space and no one had interest in moshing or crowd surfing. Also it looks like it is smartly planned that there is plenty of breathing room in the back so there is no chance anyone will get hurt. It really is a safe pit. The safest I have ever been in.

Again, thank you 10c for bringing back the GA section. It means a lot to us fans who just so happened not to get a membership in the 90s.

Much love,
Jenny
DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
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  • Biggest WaveBiggest Wave Posts: 686
    It's a good idea in theory, but it seemed to me that at least half of the people I spoke to from the GA section had scalped their ticket. There's really no way to track the member down who sold it because they're not assigned seats. If there's a dollar to be made people will take advantage of that. Glad you had FUN though.
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,876
    I think it's pretty cool too... to mix up who gets to be up front a bit. (I don't think the front 3 rows were full of rich people at PJ shows though.... 10c seemed to always get those seats..).

    My concern would be.. can they pull this off more than once. Because senority doesn't impact GA.. anyone can enter the lottery. Meaning there's nothing stopping scalper's (or even fans) from buying multiple digital memberships to try and score more GA tickets.

    It worked for one tour because people didn't they were going the GA route (Wrigley was a standalone up until that point).

    It's pretty kickass but because anyone can enter the draw for it... I'm not sure if could do it twice? :(
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,409
    Biggest Wave wrote:
    It's a good idea in theory, but it seemed to me that at least half of the people I spoke to from the GA section had scalped their ticket. There's really no way to track the member down who sold it because they're not assigned seats. If there's a dollar to be made people will take advantage of that. Glad you had FUN though.

    I don't see why this is a good argument to get rid of the pit. People scalp their seat tickets too, whats the difference? If the 10c really wants to prevent GA ticket scalping, the person at the ticket window should personally put the GA bracelet on the 10c member and their 2nd party. If you don't have a bracelet, no entry. Thats what they did at the Vic and it was a fantastic idea.
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • Biggest WaveBiggest Wave Posts: 686
    OceansJenny wrote:
    Biggest Wave wrote:
    It's a good idea in theory, but it seemed to me that at least half of the people I spoke to from the GA section had scalped their ticket. There's really no way to track the member down who sold it because they're not assigned seats. If there's a dollar to be made people will take advantage of that. Glad you had FUN though.

    I don't see why this is a good argument to get rid of the pit. People scalp their seat tickets too, whats the difference? If the 10c really wants to prevent GA ticket scalping, the person at the ticket window should personally put the GA bracelet on the 10c member and their 2nd party. If you don't have a bracelet, no entry. Thats what they did at the Vic and it was a fantastic idea.

    Where did I say get rid of the pit? If people want to be packed in like sardines just to try and feel Eddie's sweat on their person then that's fine with me. If I were forced to purchase GA that would be a different story. I'm just saying that it's easier to sell the GA tickets to scalpers because it's harder to track the person down that sold them. People with assigned seats will think twice before selling above face because they know that they can be tracked.
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,409
    Biggest Wave wrote:
    OceansJenny wrote:
    Biggest Wave wrote:
    It's a good idea in theory, but it seemed to me that at least half of the people I spoke to from the GA section had scalped their ticket. There's really no way to track the member down who sold it because they're not assigned seats. If there's a dollar to be made people will take advantage of that. Glad you had FUN though.

    I don't see why this is a good argument to get rid of the pit. People scalp their seat tickets too, whats the difference? If the 10c really wants to prevent GA ticket scalping, the person at the ticket window should personally put the GA bracelet on the 10c member and their 2nd party. If you don't have a bracelet, no entry. Thats what they did at the Vic and it was a fantastic idea.

    Where did I say get rid of the pit? If people want to be packed in like sardines just to try and feel Eddie's sweat on their person then that's fine with me. If I were forced to purchase GA that would be a different story. I'm just saying that it's easier to sell the GA tickets to scalpers because it's harder to track the person down that sold them. People with assigned seats will think twice before selling above face because they know that they can be tracked.

    My mistake, you didn't say get rid of the pit, I was quick to jump to the defense. ;)

    Again I think the remedy is for the 10c window person to put the bracelets on each ticket holder. Also at Harford the 10c ticket window had its own entry. I would assume if someone got a GA ticket outside the venue and went through the regular entries, it would be obvious that they bought it scalped. Maybe they could even number the bracelets and link them to whoever bought the tickets? Just some ideas if the 10c sees this as a problem.
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • VeddernarianVeddernarian Posts: 1,924
    I am too old to deal with the douche-baggery that occurs in GA. So all this has done for me is to make my seats worse. I guess someone's trash is someone else's treasure. I don't fault them for trying new things. I hope it reverts back in the future.
    Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,409
    Veddernarian wrote:
    I am too old to deal with the douche-baggery that occurs in GA. So all this has done for me is to make my seats worse. I guess someone's trash is someone else's treasure. I don't fault them for trying new things. I hope it reverts back in the future.

    Why does everyone think this is a GA pit from 1992? Everyone just stands in their own space and has a nice time. Theres no "douche-baggery". I'm sorry your seats won't be as awesome every show, mine don't have to be either but its nice to have 1 show where I can actually see the band and not get stuck behind all of the lower 10c numbers every single show.
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • NoloadNoload Monticello, Georgia Posts: 1,634
    I hope they do a mix, one tour with GA like this one, and one like the good ole days. That way everyone still gets their shot, but the seniority is respected for some shows.
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  • VeddernarianVeddernarian Posts: 1,924
    I just wish they would go back to 2000 where a 10c member got tickets to 1 show. And the seats were very good as a result.
    Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
  • dottlesdottles Posts: 9,205
    I'm glad people are enjoying the GA section, it's nice to see footage of the recent shows where people are rocking out.
    For those bothered about seniority, then yeah, I doubt GA is a plus point, I understand your point of view and I'd advise never coming to a show outside of North America - that's the only place it 'counts' for anything.
    Our GA is the whole floor, mixed of 10c and everyone else and I love it. There are seated tickets around the sides for people who want/need them, some of the views from the seats are the best you're going to get.
    10C seniority means nowt over here really and I kinda like that, big groups of fans, be they members of 10c or not enjoying damn good live music together :D
    2009 - Manchester. 2010 - Dublin, Belfast, London, Berlin, Arras, Werchter. 2011 - PJ20 i & ii, Montreal, Toronto i & ii, Ottawa, Hamilton. 
    2012 - Manchester i & ii, Berlin i & ii, Stockholm. 2014 - Amsterdam i & ii, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Leeds, Milton Keynes.
    2016 - Boston Fenway i & ii, 2018 - Amsterdam i & ii, Pinkpop, London i & ii, Padova, Krakow, Barcelona, Seattle i & ii. 
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    Imo

    The main reason the there is a lottery for ga...Is to keep fan club members in the 10c....I know the band decided on general admission shows..Because, I sent an email to the 10c..Asking why they decided to go ga....They replied it was the bands decision...I sent reply message...Asking who made the decision to make it lottery ga....The 10c never replied to this email...Pretty much telling me they didn't want to answer that question....

    I have a great fan club number...I am not upset about the ga....But, I think it will be ga from now on..Unless there is a major injury in ga etc....
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    Veddernarian wrote:
    I just wish they would go back to 2000 where a 10c member got tickets to 1 show. And the seats were very good as a result.


    I would go with 2 to 3 shows per fan club member....This would be perfect...

    jeremy
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    Zod wrote:
    I think it's pretty cool too... to mix up who gets to be up front a bit. (I don't think the front 3 rows were full of rich people at PJ shows though.... 10c seemed to always get those seats..).

    My concern would be.. can they pull this off more than once. Because senority doesn't impact GA.. anyone can enter the lottery. Meaning there's nothing stopping scalper's (or even fans) from buying multiple digital memberships to try and score more GA tickets.

    It worked for one tour because people didn't they were going the GA route (Wrigley was a standalone up until that point).

    It's pretty kickass but because anyone can enter the draw for it... I'm not sure if could do it twice? :(


    Its all about 10c fan club members renewing their membership.....Now you have a shot at any concert to get ga...Before, if you had high fan club number...You pretty much knew your seats wouldn't be so good..Unless you won the lotttery...
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    as i said alot of times..now some experience GA for the first time and had eddie and mike in front of them,try to convince them to go back to the seats in front of stage system .;.yeah right.. :lol:
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    as i said alot of times..now some experience GA for the first time and had eddie and mike in front of them,try to convince them to go back to the seats in front of stage system .;.yeah right.. :lol:


    It won't matter what the fans want...If the 10c decides to go back to chair/assigned seats on the floor..But, I doubt this will ever happen....
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    KingJeremyD wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    as i said alot of times..now some experience GA for the first time and had eddie and mike in front of them,try to convince them to go back to the seats in front of stage system .;.yeah right.. :lol:


    It won't matter what the fans want...If the 10c decides to go back to chair/assigned seats on the floor..But, I doubt this will ever happen....
    of course there is no reason to happen..as long safety is ok,the rest are + and positive for the show to have GA pit in front of stage.
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    edited October 2013
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    KingJeremyD wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    as i said alot of times..now some experience GA for the first time and had eddie and mike in front of them,try to convince them to go back to the seats in front of stage system .;.yeah right.. :lol:


    It won't matter what the fans want...If the 10c decides to go back to chair/assigned seats on the floor..But, I doubt this will ever happen....
    of course there is no reason to happen..as long safety is ok,the rest are + and positive for the show to have GA pit in front of stage.


    I have no problem with the shows going ga...But, the main reason for ga lottery...Is for membership renewals...I went to both pearl jam concerts in sao paulo last South American tour....I was ga and it was kickass...

    It really doesn't bother me..Since, majority of the time I will go for reserved...
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    KingJeremyD wrote:

    I have no problem with the shows going ga...But, the main reason for ga lottery...Is for membership renewals...I went to both pearl jam concerts in sao paulo last South American tour....I was ga and was kickass...
    sure,its music intustry and pj is profecional musicians,they work and get paid,they sale their music their products their art ,fan club doing the same,they make calls to get money,not lose money.. as every business in the world
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,224
    KingJeremyD wrote:
    Imo

    The main reason the there is a lottery for ga...Is to keep fan club members in the 10c....I know the band decided on general admission shows..Because, I sent an email to the 10c..Asking why they decided to go ga....They replied it was the bands decision...I sent reply message...Asking who made the decision to make it lottery ga....The 10c never replied to this email...Pretty much telling me they didn't want to answer that question....

    I have a great fan club number...I am not upset about the ga....But, I think it will be ga from now on..Unless there is a major injury in ga etc....

    Does it seem odd to you that you emailed a fan club to ask who made decisions about seating versus GA?

    Who do you think you are?
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    KingJeremyD wrote:

    I have no problem with the shows going ga...But, the main reason for ga lottery...Is for membership renewals...I went to both pearl jam concerts in sao paulo last South American tour....I was ga and was kickass...
    sure,its music intustry and pj is profecional musicians,they work and get paid,they sale their music their products their art ,fan club doing the same,they make calls to get money,not lose money.. as every business in the world

    Sure, I don't disagree.....It's all about marketing....Just sad how the 10c has changed.....
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    KingJeremyD wrote:
    Imo

    The main reason the there is a lottery for ga...Is to keep fan club members in the 10c....I know the band decided on general admission shows..Because, I sent an email to the 10c..Asking why they decided to go ga....They replied it was the bands decision...I sent reply message...Asking who made the decision to make it lottery ga....The 10c never replied to this email...Pretty much telling me they didn't want to answer that question....

    I have a great fan club number...I am not upset about the ga....But, I think it will be ga from now on..Unless there is a major injury in ga etc....

    Does it seem odd to you that you emailed a fan club to ask who made decisions about seating versus GA?

    Who do you think you are?


    They had no problem answering who decided on ga.....I am paying fan club member....Thats who I am....
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    It's all good...I am all done with this topic... :D
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    KingJeremyD wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    KingJeremyD wrote:

    I have no problem with the shows going ga...But, the main reason for ga lottery...Is for membership renewals...I went to both pearl jam concerts in sao paulo last South American tour....I was ga and was kickass...
    sure,its music intustry and pj is profecional musicians,they work and get paid,they sale their music their products their art ,fan club doing the same,they make calls to get money,not lose money.. as every business in the world

    Sure, I don't disagree.....It's all about marketing....Just sad how the 10c has changed.....
    i dont know what change means,i know that they selling shirts and stickers back from 91,they selling tickets from back then,same as doormats and now they selling dog collars and scarfs..they are proffecional musicians from day one...and they deserve to get paid they are talented and its howe music intustry works
    ..just now they are just more organize with the technology and their shop,and etc..
    still great musicians,still doing charities,and STILL the best live band playing imo!!
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    I have no problem with the shows going ga...But, the main reason for ga lottery...Is for membership renewals...I went to both pearl jam concerts in sao paulo last South American tour....I was ga and was kickass...[/quote]
    sure,its music intustry and pj is profecional musicians,they work and get paid,they sale their music their products their art ,fan club doing the same,they make calls to get money,not lose money.. as every business in the world[/quote]

    Sure, I don't disagree.....It's all about marketing....Just sad how the 10c has changed.....[/quote]
    i dont know what change means,i know that they selling shirts and stickers back from 91,they selling tickets from back then,same as doormats and now they selling dog collars and scarfs..they are proffecional musicians from day one...and they deserve to get paid they are talented and its howe music intustry works
    ..just now they are just more organize with the technology and their shop,and etc..
    still great musicians,still doing charities,and STILL the best live band playing imo!![/quote]


    By change..I didn't mean selling merch...I meant the customer service and the communication between 10c and members.....I only buy what I want...So, I could care less what they want to try sale...
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,224
    KingJeremyD wrote:
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    KingJeremyD wrote:
    Imo

    The main reason the there is a lottery for ga...Is to keep fan club members in the 10c....I know the band decided on general admission shows..Because, I sent an email to the 10c..Asking why they decided to go ga....They replied it was the bands decision...I sent reply message...Asking who made the decision to make it lottery ga....The 10c never replied to this email...Pretty much telling me they didn't want to answer that question....

    I have a great fan club number...I am not upset about the ga....But, I think it will be ga from now on..Unless there is a major injury in ga etc....

    Does it seem odd to you that you emailed a fan club to ask who made decisions about seating versus GA?

    Who do you think you are?


    They had no problem answering who decided on ga.....I am paying fan club member....Thats who I am....

    Still think it is weird you actually asked. Like it changes anything. I pay them $40 a year to be a member. I don't think that entitles me to anything but being a member of a club. I didn't realize the price of a dinner for two entitled me to know about the inner workings of Pearl Jam's decision making.
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,876
    KingJeremyD wrote:
    By change..I didn't mean selling merch...I meant the customer service and the communication between 10c and members.....I only buy what I want...So, I could care less what they want to try sale...


    To be fair I've never considered the 10c (or PJ) all that great at communication.. lol.. 10c's always been kind of mickey mouse :)
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Still think it is weird you actually asked. Like it changes anything. I pay them $40 a year to be a member. I don't think that entitles me to anything but being a member of a club. I didn't realize the price of a dinner for two entitled me to know about the inner workings of Pearl Jam's decision making.
    and the thing is,this type of calls,ofcourse is the band who made them..who will do it?the doorman,or the lady answer the phonecalls at 10c?
    Band want this,its so clear..
    result?
    3 hours show ever night,the energy over the top and the fans happy..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    To be fair I've never considered the 10c (or PJ) all that great at communication.. lol.. 10c's always been kind of mickey mouse :)[/quote]


    Don't insult Mickey like that..lol......Don't get me wrong...I love the 10c and pearl jam......But, the 10c could be ran much better...
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Still think it is weird you actually asked. Like it changes anything. I pay them $40 a year to be a member. I don't think that entitles me to anything but being a member of a club. I didn't realize the price of a dinner for two entitled me to know about the inner workings of Pearl Jam's decision making.
    and the thing is,this type of calls,ofcourse is the band who made them..who will do it?the doorman,or the lady answer the phonecalls at 10c?
    Band want this,its so clear..
    result?
    3 hours show ever night,the energy over the top and the fans happy..


    I am not talking about ga seating...I am talking about who decided on making it lottery for ga?
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    I am done with this topic..No need to discuss it anymore.
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