Are you kidding?! That's a frickin' monster of a setlist in terms of pure rock joy. Apart from Black and Small Town the guys just gave you no time to breathe! I was breathless listening to it on the radio.
I'm sorry but you don't need rarities to kill the pace when a set is so rockin' like that.
I'm getting a feeling of deja vu...is this the Lisbon thread?
"Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
Are you kidding?! That's a frickin' monster of a setlist in terms of pure rock joy. Apart from Black and Small Town the guys just gave you no time to breathe! I was breathless listening to it on the radio.
I'm sorry but you don't need rarities to kill the pace when a set is so rockin' like that.
I agree that the setlist wasn't great. It's not even an issue of rarities. Only 20 songs and far too similar to last night for my taste. Ledbetter to close is cliche enough without establishing Alive as THE first set closer and Black as THE second encore opener. Fact is, they played only six songs of their own from the past 12 years. That's just wrong.
I'm getting a feeling of deja vu...is this the Lisbon thread?
Agh, sorry for my repetition. But i just don't understand how someone can look at that setlist and say its weak. If i were there i wouldn't have stopped jumping! The band were on fire.
"This town deserves a better class of criminal... and I'm gonna give it to them."
Agh, sorry for my repetition. But i just don't understand how someone can look at that setlist and say its weak. If i were there i wouldn't have stopped jumping! The band were on fire.
The length is def something to bitch about.
Performance of course always makes or breaks the show and I can't comment on the performance, because I missed it.
Setlist debate: Lisbon vs. Madrid ---> Madrid.
"Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
why is it weak for cause they played alot of "HITS". its a FESTIVAL REMEMBER that, so of course there gonna play alot of "HITS" and if u dont think there gonna play alot of "HITS" at lolla then u will be very much let down by them cause thats what there gonna play at lolla. dont know if your going to lolla and dont really care.for some people in europe this is there only chance to see em, there not like u and i where we are spolied little brats. maybe there is a reason they dont wanna play the usa for 12 dates like there are in europe.
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Performance of course always makes or breaks the show and I can't comment on the performance, because I missed it.
Setlist debate: Lisbon vs. Madrid ---> Madrid.
Isn't it festival management who determines how long the bands play though? And even IF it was PJ's choice, they're probably just trying to conserve energy so that every show is performed well. 90 minutes or so for a festival set isn't a disappointment, it was to be expected and the band just kicked ass for 90 mins.
"This town deserves a better class of criminal... and I'm gonna give it to them."
Some people are never satisfied unless the band plays some outrageous set of nothing but rarities and the songs THEY deem okay to be played often. Blow it out your asses! This set list was fine. Hey Green Disease! I don't recall that one played often. They opened with Porch! When was the last time they did that? Seems like a good solid albeit short setlist. I'd be happy if I saw this show at a festival.
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Isn't it festival management who determines how long the bands play though? And even IF it was PJ's choice, they're probably just trying to conserve energy so that every show is performed well. 90 minutes or so for a festival set isn't a disappointment, it was to be expected and the band just kicked ass for 90 mins.
I'm sure they do have a time limit and I understand that they will have other long shows......However, I look at them like they are a collective "Superman". In the perfect world, it would be great if they could do a 40 song setlist. I have, as many others, become addicts to Pearl Jam. We need more, more, more. It's difficult to accept a shorter set at a festival. My mind understands it, but my addiction doesn't care. This is even worse at the Bridge benefit concert (45 minute set, but at least it's accoustic). With all this said, whether it's 45, 90, or 180 minutes long, it's still a kick ass time!
"Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
I'm sure they do have a time limit and I understand that they will have other long shows......However, I look at them like they are a collective "Superman". In the perfect world, it would be great if they could do a 40 song setlist. I have, as many others, become addicts to Pearl Jam. We need more, more, more. It's difficult to accept a shorter set at a festival. My mind understands it, but my addiction doesn't care. This is even worse at the Bridge benefit concert (45 minute set, but at least it's accoustic). With all this said, whether it's 45, 90, or 180 minutes long, it's still a kick ass time!
Dude, were you there? Why do you care so much about a setlist for a show you (presumably from your San Fran location) didn't even attend?
Some people are never satisfied unless the band plays some outrageous set of nothing but rarities and the songs THEY deem okay to be played often. Blow it out your asses! This set list was fine. Hey Green Disease! I don't recall that one played often. They opened with Porch! When was the last time they did that? Seems like a good solid albeit short setlist. I'd be happy if I saw this show at a festival.
I know. Some people just need to come off elitest and spoiled, it seems. I have rare songs I'd love to hear, too. But I'm not act disppointed everytime they don't play a set full of rarities. So what? They are out there playing their asses off and they're damn good at it....where's the flaw in this situation?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Some people are never satisfied unless the band plays some outrageous set of nothing but rarities and the songs THEY deem okay to be played often. Blow it out your asses! This set list was fine. Hey Green Disease! I don't recall that one played often. They opened with Porch! When was the last time they did that? Seems like a good solid albeit short setlist. I'd be happy if I saw this show at a festival.
Do the albums No Code through Pearl Jam really count as rarities?
Thanks for the uploads! The setlist looks great, and this is just 90 minutes... I would've loved to hear Daughter/WMA/ABITW2! And Last Exit as encore opener... Sweet!!
Thanks for the uploads! The setlist looks great, and this is just 90 minutes... I would've loved to hear Daughter/WMA/ABITW2! And Last Exit as encore opener... Sweet!!
The tags of Daughter were one of the highlights imo.
Dude, were you there? Why do you care so much about a setlist for a show you (presumably from your San Fran location) didn't even attend?
The funny thing is that you're asking me these questions, while other people complain about it many more times than I ever do. If you want to know how much I care about setlist, look back at the Lisbon thread where I believe I said that it only accounts for about 1/3 of a concert "rating" with the musical performance (most important), concert events (like a cake toss [see Hawaii 12/2/06]) and crowd (least important) being the other variables that go into determining the quality of a show. I have also given an example where a new and now a rare song was played and it messed up the concert flow because PJ kept screwing it up (example is Leaving Here during the second leg of the 1995 tour).
No, I was not there (I was enjoying a rare sunny day in SF). I do care about how they perform (which like I say above is in a small part related to the setlist) for a couple of reasons: 1) I want people who do attend to have a great time, 2) It is always a great bonus if they premiere a new or rare song (as long as it's not screwed up), and 3) I will eventually download (or buy) the concert audio/video, which is not the same as being there, but it's the next best thing.
Conclussion: Why me? Why such negative questions thrown back at my face? I am generally a nice guy who enjoys every single PJ song and concert.
We can always meet at the Bridge concert and have a good time at the Peace Pole.
"Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
Thanks for the uploads! The setlist looks great, and this is just 90 minutes... I would've loved to hear Daughter/WMA/ABITW2! And Last Exit as encore opener... Sweet!!
I downloaded this one, from megaupload. It's only one track, which I forgot to check for when downloading. The sound quality is surprisingly really good. The band sounds pretty tight.
Do the albums No Code through Pearl Jam really count as rarities?
I never used the term rarities to describe Green Disease. I just said they haven't played it much in a while. Do setlists really need rarities to count as good?
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The funny thing is that you're asking me these questions, while other people complain about it many more times than I ever do. If you want to know how much I care about setlist, look back at the Lisbon thread where I believe I said that it only accounts for about 1/3 of a concert "rating" with the musical performance (most important), concert events (like a cake toss [see Hawaii 12/2/06]) and crowd (least important) being the other variables that go into determining the quality of a show. I have also given an example where a new and now a rare song was played and it messed up the concert flow because PJ kept screwing it up (example is Leaving Here during the second leg of the 1995 tour).
No, I was not there (I was enjoying a rare sunny day in SF). I do care about how they perform (which like I say above is in a small part related to the setlist) for a couple of reasons: 1) I want people who do attend to have a great time, 2) It is always a great bonus if they premiere a new or rare song (as long as it's not screwed up), and 3) I will eventually download (or buy) the concert audio/video, which is not the same as being there, but it's the next best thing.
Conclussion: Why me? Why such negative questions thrown back at my face? I am generally a nice guy who enjoys every single PJ song and concert.
We can always meet at the Bridge concert and have a good time at the Peace Pole.
I think you're a nice guy, my comments weren't aimed at you!
"This town deserves a better class of criminal... and I'm gonna give it to them."
Well, I was in Lisbon on friday and yesterday in Madrid (my hometown). I must admit that I liked more the Lisbon concert. The setlist was OK; no surprises but I always like to listen to the hits. In Madrid the show was shorter and I missed: Rearviewmirror, Evolution and specially... Better Man. Last year in Madrid they started with it and it was crazy, and this year...no Better Man... pity.
I was a bit surprised about the enthusiastic reaction of the portuguese people after the famous 'f*ck Madrid'. Anyway, I believe you when you say: 'No problem, no offense'. Well, I told you what happened yesterday in Madrid. When Eddie began to talk and say: 'We're very happy to be in Madrid, blablabla..., but the best thing is... TO BE OUT OF PORTUGAL!!! and the reaction of the public was... complete silence... like thinking: What is this guy saying??!! It seems like someone has tried to convince Eddie to exploit the supposed spanish-portuguese rivalry and, as far as we are concerned (the spaniards), this rivalry doesn't exist. In fact, IMHO, it is affection the actual feeling (at least from the spanish side). So, I think that the joke of being glad for being out of Portugal wasn't specially... brilliant.
I think that the connection with the public was better in Lisbon. In fact, I think that the ammount of wine drank by Eddie had somehing to do with it. He was very funny... The concert was less serious that other times...
The sound, in both concerts, was not spectacular, but OK.
Saludos.
Dublin 23/8/06 - Vitoria 2/9/06 - Madrid 7/9/06
Lisbon 8/6/07 - Madrid 9/6/07 - London 18/6/07 - Düsseldorf 21/6/07 - Copenhagen 26/6/07
New York 24/6/08 - New York 25/6/08
Rotterdam 13/8/09 - Berlin 15/8/09 - Manchester 17/8/09 - London 18/8/09 - Seattle 21/9/09 - Seattle 22/9/09
Bilbao 9/7/10
I never used the term rarities to describe Green Disease. I just said they haven't played it much in a while. Do setlists really need rarities to count as good?
No, they do not. The set was good, (except ending with Alive), that was not the problem. More a look of fatigue on them, lack-lustre...seemed a times (several) to be just going through the ropes which I ceratianly DO NOT expect from these boys.
Also, as far as Green Disease goes, I think it´s a crap song so I prefer not to have it included, but that´s just my personal preference.
And this thing about "better out of Portugal" was just a laugh; silence from the crowd? Of course there was, most (by several thousand) indeed did not know about the "Fuck Madrid" thing in Lisbon the previous night; sorry to burst your bubble, Jammers, but the proportion of people at the gig who read these forums etc was MINUTE!!! (4 cats, as we say in Spain)
I have been reading the Spanish forums and overall there is dissapointment in the air. Crowd poor? I think a reflexion on the bands poor perfomance.
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Wow, is that really you mic?!?! I didn't think you would be so critical, but that's ok. It must be the higher elevation.
I'm getting a feeling of deja vu...is this the Lisbon thread?
I agree that the setlist wasn't great. It's not even an issue of rarities. Only 20 songs and far too similar to last night for my taste. Ledbetter to close is cliche enough without establishing Alive as THE first set closer and Black as THE second encore opener. Fact is, they played only six songs of their own from the past 12 years. That's just wrong.
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Agh, sorry for my repetition. But i just don't understand how someone can look at that setlist and say its weak. If i were there i wouldn't have stopped jumping! The band were on fire.
The length is def something to bitch about.
Performance of course always makes or breaks the show and I can't comment on the performance, because I missed it.
Setlist debate: Lisbon vs. Madrid ---> Madrid.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Isn't it festival management who determines how long the bands play though? And even IF it was PJ's choice, they're probably just trying to conserve energy so that every show is performed well. 90 minutes or so for a festival set isn't a disappointment, it was to be expected and the band just kicked ass for 90 mins.
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I'm sure they do have a time limit and I understand that they will have other long shows......However, I look at them like they are a collective "Superman". In the perfect world, it would be great if they could do a 40 song setlist. I have, as many others, become addicts to Pearl Jam. We need more, more, more. It's difficult to accept a shorter set at a festival. My mind understands it, but my addiction doesn't care. This is even worse at the Bridge benefit concert (45 minute set, but at least it's accoustic). With all this said, whether it's 45, 90, or 180 minutes long, it's still a kick ass time!
Dude, were you there? Why do you care so much about a setlist for a show you (presumably from your San Fran location) didn't even attend?
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i dig the porch opener
i dont understand what people expect
I know. Some people just need to come off elitest and spoiled, it seems. I have rare songs I'd love to hear, too. But I'm not act disppointed everytime they don't play a set full of rarities. So what? They are out there playing their asses off and they're damn good at it....where's the flaw in this situation?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Do the albums No Code through Pearl Jam really count as rarities?
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MKOGWNQJ is triple the size of the other, so my guess is the megaupload, it's 1 file tho.
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Looks like they are both MP3.. guess you have to download both and compare!
Any body got it in lossless format that they could upload?
Peace please!
i do, but I'm hoping someone else got it off of FM. mine is from the webcast.
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The funny thing is that you're asking me these questions, while other people complain about it many more times than I ever do. If you want to know how much I care about setlist, look back at the Lisbon thread where I believe I said that it only accounts for about 1/3 of a concert "rating" with the musical performance (most important), concert events (like a cake toss [see Hawaii 12/2/06]) and crowd (least important) being the other variables that go into determining the quality of a show. I have also given an example where a new and now a rare song was played and it messed up the concert flow because PJ kept screwing it up (example is Leaving Here during the second leg of the 1995 tour).
No, I was not there (I was enjoying a rare sunny day in SF). I do care about how they perform (which like I say above is in a small part related to the setlist) for a couple of reasons: 1) I want people who do attend to have a great time, 2) It is always a great bonus if they premiere a new or rare song (as long as it's not screwed up), and 3) I will eventually download (or buy) the concert audio/video, which is not the same as being there, but it's the next best thing.
Conclussion: Why me? Why such negative questions thrown back at my face? I am generally a nice guy who enjoys every single PJ song and concert.
We can always meet at the Bridge concert and have a good time at the Peace Pole.
I downloaded this one, from megaupload. It's only one track, which I forgot to check for when downloading. The sound quality is surprisingly really good. The band sounds pretty tight.
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I think you're a nice guy, my comments weren't aimed at you!
I was a bit surprised about the enthusiastic reaction of the portuguese people after the famous 'f*ck Madrid'. Anyway, I believe you when you say: 'No problem, no offense'. Well, I told you what happened yesterday in Madrid. When Eddie began to talk and say: 'We're very happy to be in Madrid, blablabla..., but the best thing is... TO BE OUT OF PORTUGAL!!! and the reaction of the public was... complete silence... like thinking: What is this guy saying??!! It seems like someone has tried to convince Eddie to exploit the supposed spanish-portuguese rivalry and, as far as we are concerned (the spaniards), this rivalry doesn't exist. In fact, IMHO, it is affection the actual feeling (at least from the spanish side). So, I think that the joke of being glad for being out of Portugal wasn't specially... brilliant.
I think that the connection with the public was better in Lisbon. In fact, I think that the ammount of wine drank by Eddie had somehing to do with it. He was very funny... The concert was less serious that other times...
The sound, in both concerts, was not spectacular, but OK.
Saludos.
Lisbon 8/6/07 - Madrid 9/6/07 - London 18/6/07 - Düsseldorf 21/6/07 - Copenhagen 26/6/07
New York 24/6/08 - New York 25/6/08
Rotterdam 13/8/09 - Berlin 15/8/09 - Manchester 17/8/09 - London 18/8/09 - Seattle 21/9/09 - Seattle 22/9/09
Bilbao 9/7/10
No, they do not. The set was good, (except ending with Alive), that was not the problem. More a look of fatigue on them, lack-lustre...seemed a times (several) to be just going through the ropes which I ceratianly DO NOT expect from these boys.
Also, as far as Green Disease goes, I think it´s a crap song so I prefer not to have it included, but that´s just my personal preference.
And this thing about "better out of Portugal" was just a laugh; silence from the crowd? Of course there was, most (by several thousand) indeed did not know about the "Fuck Madrid" thing in Lisbon the previous night; sorry to burst your bubble, Jammers, but the proportion of people at the gig who read these forums etc was MINUTE!!! (4 cats, as we say in Spain)
I have been reading the Spanish forums and overall there is dissapointment in the air. Crowd poor? I think a reflexion on the bands poor perfomance.