Teacher knows her "f*****g s**t".

brianlux

As a former teacher, I understand the frustration. Not that I condone dropping the f-bomb in class, but at times it can require a lot of restraint to not do so.

http://news.yahoo.com/teacher-leave-vul ... 06608.html

Teacher on leave after vulgarity-filled eruption despite knowing her ‘f*****g s**t’

A high school teacher who dropped four f-bombs in 24 seconds in front of a 12th-grade English class has been placed on leave after a clandestinely-recorded audio clip of the outburst went viral.

The Daily Breeze, a suburban Los Angeles newspaper, broke the story. You can hear the teacher in full, profane flower at Sound Cloud.

“I know my f*****g shit,” the irate teacher says in the recording. “Don’t f**k with that. I’m tired of trying to educate you and you guys resist every step of the f*****g way. Get the f**k out of here.”

The incident occurred on Sept. 26 at Humanities and Arts Academy, a small, independent public school located on the larger campus of Narbonne High School in the Harbor City area of Los Angeles.

The teacher was apparently trying to direct a tricky discussion about race and ethnicity before she hurled the five swear words. Particularly at issue was the word “African-American.”

School officials placed the unidentified teacher on leave pending the results of an investigation after the brief rant went viral.

The code of ethics of the Los Angeles Unified School District prohibits “unprofessional, unethical, illegal, immoral, or exploitative” behavior. Presumably, the language the teacher used in front of the 12th-graders falls afoul of one of those adjectives.

The Daily Breeze called the unnamed teacher at her home.

“You know, I had a weak moment,” she said. “Forgive me.”

She noted that she had undergone an appendectomy recently, so she was enduring some pain.

The English teacher also said she had been the subject the subject of jeering from the student who recorded the wave of f-bombs. She claimed the female student then delivered the recording to an also unnamed enemy teacher. This second teacher allegedly circulated the profanity-ridden recording.

“It’s just cruel,” the curse-happy teacher added.

A spokeswoman for the school district, Ellen Morgan, explained the district’s investigation process.

“At the outcome of the investigation, he/she will meet with the individual and conference, reprimand, discipline and/or move to recommend dismissal,” Morgan wrote in an email to the Breeze.

It’s not clear if the teacher is receiving her full salary while she is on leave.

Officials at the school noted that the student who recorded the tirade violated a school rule because she did not have her cellphone turned off in class.

http://news.yahoo.com/teacher-leave-vul ... 06608.html

Last-12-Exit

these are 17 and 18 year olds. I think they can handle it. let her go back to work.
Btw, I would have loved to been in that class to hear that breakdown! I probably would have been the asshole who provoked it.

hedonist

Unprofessional? Definitely.

A breaking moment? Definitely too.

But...what's with this "enemy teacher" shit?

(What is this - high school? )

(also, what's an "independent public school"? Is that different from your garden-variety public school? Never heard that term before)

brianlux

Last-12-Exit wrote:

these are 17 and 18 year olds. I think they can handle it. let her go back to work.
Btw, I would have loved to been in that class to hear that breakdown! I probably would have been the asshole who provoked it.

Hey, shut yer f*****g trap and SIT DOWN NOW!

chadwick

they should listen to the way those kids talk when not in class. that teacher's short f bomb dropping is nothing compared to how a lot of those kids talk. she is a fucking champion. at least 33% of her students deserve to be kicked in the pants just because

hedonist

Sometimes I swear like a motherfucking sailor :P

But at work (aside from personal conversations with the coworkers I'm close to)? If I did what she did, I'd probably be a goner.

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

Sometimes I swear like a motherfucking sailor :P

Oh, bullshit! No fucking way! Really? :nono:

hedonist wrote:

But at work (aside from personal conversations with the coworkers I'm close to)? If I did what she did, I'd probably be a goner.

I've had jobs like that. I learned well how to mumble quietly!

hedonist

brianlux wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Sometimes I swear like a motherfucking sailor :P

Oh, bullshit! No fucking way! Really? :nono:

hedonist wrote:

But at work (aside from personal conversations with the coworkers I'm close to)? If I did what she did, I'd probably be a goner.

I've had jobs like that. I learned well how to mumble quietly!

OH, fucking way :P

When I was in junior high, I had a kickass history teacher. HE knew his fucking shit!

But in these times, he'd be considered a loose cannon.

Catch you chewing gum in class?

Gum on yer nose.

Catch you spouting off or otherwise being an asshole?

Eraser SMACKED on yer head...chalk and all.

I thank whatever that those days weren't about lawsuits but about getting your students to straighten up and fly right.

And that he did.

brianlux

Times have changed. When I was in elementary school I had a teacher who would walk around the classroom with a yard stick- not the flimsy thin kind but the heavy rigid wooden kind- and if you were cutting up or talking or what ever you had to stick out your hand and, WHACK!, he'd smack your open palm leaving a burning inch wide red mark and often nasty welts.

In fifth grade we had a teacher who, if we were acting out, took us outside and gave us what we called "the paint can treatment". He would grab a student by the shoulders and shack them violently. He did this to me once and it totally freaked me out. Later that year he gave a kid the paint can treatment only behind the kid was a concrete pillar and while shaking the shit out of the kid he whacked the back of the kid's head against the pillar. I know the kid was hurt pretty badly and, as I recall, I think he was briefly knocked out. Either way, you'd think THAT would get this fucker fired, right? No. He was transferred to a middle school in another part of town. Later, after the transfer, I was hanging out with a school mate and this crazy fucker was visiting my friend's dad for some reason and he was shit faced drunk. My friend's dad, who was a high school geology teacher, did not seem to be enjoying the visit at all. But later we heard that the guy still had his job at the middle school.

In high school I had a shop teacher who, if you got in trouble, would make you sit against a wall as if you were on a chair, but no chair for ten minutes. Other than that, I actually like this teacher and I liked the class so I never received this punishment but when this friend of mine in the class (who later became the drummer for a well known Bay Area band) got this punishment I went home and tried doing this and it was hard as hell.

This is all true, I swear it. Yeah, times have changed for the better for sure.

mookeywrench

I remember in shop class some kids were making sparks with the spot welder for fun.

For our next class our teacher gave us an hour special lecture on the properties, characteristics, history, and applications of zinc....no one ever fucked around in that class again.

brianlux

mookeywrench wrote:

I remember in shop class some kids were making sparks with the spot welder for fun.

For our next class our teacher gave us an hour special lecture on the properties, characteristics, history, and applications of zinc....no one ever fucked around in that class again.

I'm laughing because I took metal shop for three years in high school and the trouble always seems to concentrate around the welding section. I guess lathes and mills and such required too much focus to cause trouble.

lcusick

chadwick wrote:

they should listen to the way those kids talk when not in class. that teacher's short f bomb dropping is nothing compared to how a lot of those kids talk. she is a fucking champion. at least 33% of her students deserve to be kicked in the pants just because

I have been teaching for 29 years, past 7 years have been high school. I cannot even repeat half of the language that I hear my students say. Seriously, I had an 18 year old tell me to sit on his face two weeks ago. Do you think it took all of my restraint not to go off on him, since I am a 53 year old woman? I am not condoning the teacher going off on a tirade, however, I can relate to wanting to go off!!! Cannot tell you how many times, I have had to bite my tongue. I experienced one of my worst days of my life teaching, just on Wed. due to getting tired of trying to motivate emotionally disturbed students all day long to learn, when they do not have the desire themselves. I am not talking about a regular school (alternative special ed. school), so my view is skewed, but let me tell ya, I had to take Friday off as a mental health day and drive to Pittsburgh for an awesome concert in order to be able to walk back in the classroom tomorrow. There is a huge difference teaching kids now as to when I started in 1982. I told my husband that I am done after this year because I do not want to be one of those teachers who goes off one day on my students.

brianlux

lcusick wrote:

chadwick wrote:

they should listen to the way those kids talk when not in class. that teacher's short f bomb dropping is nothing compared to how a lot of those kids talk. she is a fucking champion. at least 33% of her students deserve to be kicked in the pants just because

I have been teaching for 29 years, past 7 years have been high school. I cannot even repeat half of the language that I hear my students say. Seriously, I had an 18 year old tell me to sit on his face two weeks ago. Do you think it took all of my restraint not to go off on him, since I am a 53 year old woman? I am not condoning the teacher going off on a tirade, however, I can relate to wanting to go off!!! Cannot tell you how many times, I have had to bite my tongue. I experienced one of my worst days of my life teaching, just on Wed. due to getting tired of trying to motivate emotionally disturbed students all day long to learn, when they do not have the desire themselves. I am not talking about a regular school (alternative special ed. school), so my view is skewed, but let me tell ya, I had to take Friday off as a mental health day and drive to Pittsburgh for an awesome concert in order to be able to walk back in the classroom tomorrow. There is a huge difference teaching kids now as to when I started in 1982. I told my husband that I am done after this year because I do not want to be one of those teachers who goes off one day on my students.

Been there myself, lcusick. As much as I'm glad I was in education for a number of years and know that at times is was worthwhile, I don't miss it. Consider a job in a bookstore if you can afford the not-so-great pay. One of the things I really like the most about what I do as a book seller is have a kid come in and ask for recommendations for classics or contemporary fiction or nature books or whatever. I've had kids come back a few years later and tell me how much they appreciate being turned on to a particular author or genre. That always feels great.

I would never say let's go back to allowing the abuses we suffered as I described above but at the same time I think to often teacher's either pander too much to kids or are restricted too much by permissive parents and administration. And from the kids point of view, the system is far too often inflexible and almost pointless. Our schools are set up to train worker bees rather than teach critical thinking and open doors to creative minds. My cousins daughter had the good fortune to attend a Quaker school that used total integrated curriculum and incorporated life skills throughout the day. The kids learned to use math and writing in their work in the kitchen, the garden, the shop, the art class, etc. Desk work was interspersed with work using their hands and bodies. That school fostered many bright and creative and well-adjusted kids.

hedonist

brianlux wrote:

I would never say let's go back to allowing the abuses we suffered as I described above but at the same time I think to often teacher's either pander too much to kids or are restricted too much by permissive parents and administration. And from the kids point of view, the system is far too often inflexible and almost pointless. Our schools are set up to train worker bees rather than teach critical thinking and open doors to creative minds. My cousins daughter had the good fortune to attend a Quaker school that used total integrated curriculum and incorporated life skills throughout the day. The kids learned to use math and writing in their work in the kitchen, the garden, the shop, the art class, etc. Desk work was interspersed with work using their hands and bodies. That school fostered many bright and creative and well-adjusted kids.

This all is so true - teach the process and power of (open-minded) thought, not regurgitation.

Teach the basics along with skills - show how those basics apply every day through practice, such as the ones you mentioned.

And, have those practices continued - perhaps even initiated - at home: parent(s), please lead and teach by example.

MotoDC

lcusick wrote:

I have been teaching for 29 years, past 7 years have been high school. I cannot even repeat half of the language that I hear my students say. Seriously, I had an 18 year old tell me to sit on his face two weeks ago. Do you think it took all of my restraint not to go off on him, since I am a 53 year old woman? I am not condoning the teacher going off on a tirade, however, I can relate to wanting to go off!!! Cannot tell you how many times, I have had to bite my tongue. I experienced one of my worst days of my life teaching, just on Wed. due to getting tired of trying to motivate emotionally disturbed students all day long to learn, when they do not have the desire themselves. I am not talking about a regular school (alternative special ed. school), so my view is skewed, but let me tell ya, I had to take Friday off as a mental health day and drive to Pittsburgh for an awesome concert in order to be able to walk back in the classroom tomorrow. There is a huge difference teaching kids now as to when I started in 1982. I told my husband that I am done after this year because I do not want to be one of those teachers who goes off one day on my students.

lcusick would love to hear more comparisons of kids today vs kids 20-30 years ago from someone in such a unique position to comment. Every generation seems to think "kids are so much worse these days", but given all the absolutely nutty stuff that goes on today it certain seems truer than ever. Any personal anecdotes on that you can share?

lcusick

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I would never say let's go back to allowing the abuses we suffered as I described above but at the same time I think to often teacher's either pander too much to kids or are restricted too much by permissive parents and administration. And from the kids point of view, the system is far too often inflexible and almost pointless. Our schools are set up to train worker bees rather than teach critical thinking and open doors to creative minds. My cousins daughter had the good fortune to attend a Quaker school that used total integrated curriculum and incorporated life skills throughout the day. The kids learned to use math and writing in their work in the kitchen, the garden, the shop, the art class, etc. Desk work was interspersed with work using their hands and bodies. That school fostered many bright and creative and well-adjusted kids.

This all is so true - teach the process and power of (open-minded) thought, not regurgitation.

Teach the basics along with skills - show how those basics apply every day through practice, such as the ones you mentioned.
I agree with this 100% but try to find a school like this. Now the government has intervened so much in our profession, we have to teach to all these standards and standardized tests and it takes so much of the creativity out of teaching. Once April comes and my students are done taking these exams, I teach how I used to teach in the good old days, we do projects, hands on learning, they learn, have fun, and I have hardly any behavior problems. But these days it is test, test, test. I have a horse and live across the street from a 300 acre farm where my horse lives. And I often think, if I had the money, I would turn this farm into a school. But I am older, so I am getting out.

And, have those practices continued - perhaps even initiated - at home: parent(s), please lead and teach by example.

lcusick

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I would never say let's go back to allowing the abuses we suffered as I described above but at the same time I think to often teacher's either pander too much to kids or are restricted too much by permissive parents and administration. And from the kids point of view, the system is far too often inflexible and almost pointless. Our schools are set up to train worker bees rather than teach critical thinking and open doors to creative minds. My cousins daughter had the good fortune to attend a Quaker school that used total integrated curriculum and incorporated life skills throughout the day. The kids learned to use math and writing in their work in the kitchen, the garden, the shop, the art class, etc. Desk work was interspersed with work using their hands and bodies. That school fostered many bright and creative and well-adjusted kids.

This all is so true - teach the process and power of (open-minded) thought, not regurgitation.

Teach the basics along with skills - show how those basics apply every day through practice, such as the ones you mentioned.

And, have those practices continued - perhaps even initiated - at home: parent(s), please lead and teach by example.

oops, tried to add to this and it got all messed up. I totally agree with all of these comments, but try to find a school like that to teach in. Now, we have all this government BS driving how we teach. It is all about teaching to standardized tests, which takes a lot of creativity away. So, because I am older, I am just getting out. However, I do not regret teaching, I feel like I have touched a lot of lives. I have several students who are in their 20's and 30's that I still stay in touch with. So, it was a rewarding career, also worked out great with raising my own kiddos.

lcusick

MotoDC wrote:

lcusick wrote:

I have been teaching for 29 years, past 7 years have been high school. I cannot even repeat half of the language that I hear my students say. Seriously, I had an 18 year old tell me to sit on his face two weeks ago. Do you think it took all of my restraint not to go off on him, since I am a 53 year old woman? I am not condoning the teacher going off on a tirade, however, I can relate to wanting to go off!!! Cannot tell you how many times, I have had to bite my tongue. I experienced one of my worst days of my life teaching, just on Wed. due to getting tired of trying to motivate emotionally disturbed students all day long to learn, when they do not have the desire themselves. I am not talking about a regular school (alternative special ed. school), so my view is skewed, but let me tell ya, I had to take Friday off as a mental health day and drive to Pittsburgh for an awesome concert in order to be able to walk back in the classroom tomorrow. There is a huge difference teaching kids now as to when I started in 1982. I told my husband that I am done after this year because I do not want to be one of those teachers who goes off one day on my students.

lcusick would love to hear more comparisons of kids today vs kids 20-30 years ago from someone in such a unique position to comment. Every generation seems to think "kids are so much worse these days", but given all the absolutely nutty stuff that goes on today it certain seems truer than ever. Any personal anecdotes on that you can share?

When I started teaching there were no computers in an elementary school. The kids seemed more focused, less distracted and had better social skills. They would play games with each other, big games of kickball etc. Earning a movie to watch that went along with what you were studying was a big deal and special. Now, enter cell phone, computers, IPODS, IPADS etc. In the beginning kids were not allowed their cell phones in school. Now they are allowed. Even teaching with technology and delivering instruction in their world, they cannot stay focused as long. They are distracted and yet when they earn free time, they do not want to do anything active to burn off their energy. They immediately want to put earbuds in and look at a computer, IPAD, or cell phone. So for one half hour a day I make them go outside or play in the gym. The boys will shoot hoops and have fun, but the girls whine and say they are bored. Also, the lack of respect that kids have nowadays compared to 1982 is huge. I cannot even measure the difference. I have stories I could tell, but figured I would write a book about it all one day. I think it would be a good read!

hedonist

lcusick wrote:

oops, tried to add to this and it got all messed up. I totally agree with all of these comments, but try to find a school like that to teach in. Now, we have all this government BS driving how we teach. It is all about teaching to standardized tests, which takes a lot of creativity away. So, because I am older, I am just getting out. However, I do not regret teaching, I feel like I have touched a lot of lives. I have several students who are in their 20's and 30's that I still stay in touch with. So, it was a rewarding career, also worked out great with raising my own kiddos.

This is a huge and sad part of the state of education nowadays - good, caring teachers like you have become disgusted with so many aspects of it...and rightfully so...that they're choosing to leave (or maybe have already checked out mentally).

For many reasons, hands are tied. I read about a school district in the UK or the US, I can't remember at the moment, where teachers are no longer allowed to use a red pen or pencil when correcting papers. It makes the children "feel bad".

There've been teachers here in CA who helped their students cheat on standardized tests in order to make themselves and their school look better. Teach those kids to cheat! Studying, integrity aren't good enough; learning by making mistakes isn't good enough.

And yeah, I did my fair share of shit in school, but there was a line I knew never to cross. It seems like there isn't even a line anymore.

As you said, you've had an impact on many. Something of which to be proud.

(and where CAN one teach the way you describe/want to? Private institutions?)

lcusick

hedonist wrote:

lcusick wrote:

oops, tried to add to this and it got all messed up. I totally agree with all of these comments, but try to find a school like that to teach in. Now, we have all this government BS driving how we teach. It is all about teaching to standardized tests, which takes a lot of creativity away. So, because I am older, I am just getting out. However, I do not regret teaching, I feel like I have touched a lot of lives. I have several students who are in their 20's and 30's that I still stay in touch with. So, it was a rewarding career, also worked out great with raising my own kiddos.

This is a huge and sad part of the state of education nowadays - good, caring teachers like you have become disgusted with so many aspects of it...and rightfully so...that they're choosing to leave (or maybe have already checked out mentally).

For many reasons, hands are tied. I read about a school district in the UK or the US, I can't remember at the moment, where teachers are no longer allowed to use a red pen or pencil when correcting papers. It makes the children "feel bad".

There've been teachers here in CA who helped their students cheat on standardized tests in order to make themselves and their school look better. Teach those kids to cheat! Studying, integrity aren't good enough; learning by making mistakes isn't good enough.

And yeah, I did my fair share of shit in school, but there was a line I knew never to cross. It seems like there isn't even a line anymore.

As you said, you've had an impact on many. Something of which to be proud.

(and where CAN one teach the way you describe/want to? Private institutions?)

Hedonist- you hit it head on. All I know is that I hope someone comes up schools were all types of intelligence is addressed. Instead of putting kids in a mold. I am afraid of what kind of society we are producing these days! Thank God for music, it really does help get through these times!

MotoDC

lcusick wrote:

When I started teaching there were no computers in an elementary school. The kids seemed more focused, less distracted and had better social skills. They would play games with each other, big games of kickball etc. Earning a movie to watch that went along with what you were studying was a big deal and special. Now, enter cell phone, computers, IPODS, IPADS etc. In the beginning kids were not allowed their cell phones in school. Now they are allowed. Even teaching with technology and delivering instruction in their world, they cannot stay focused as long. They are distracted and yet when they earn free time, they do not want to do anything active to burn off their energy. They immediately want to put earbuds in and look at a computer, IPAD, or cell phone. So for one half hour a day I make them go outside or play in the gym. The boys will shoot hoops and have fun, but the girls whine and say they are bored. Also, the lack of respect that kids have nowadays compared to 1982 is huge. I cannot even measure the difference. I have stories I could tell, but figured I would write a book about it all one day. I think it would be a good read!

I cannot even fathom. I did my elementary school years in the 80s (so I'm old but not so old that we didn't have video games and computers available to distract us) and all we wanted to do during recess was essentially some organized version of running -- running to play sports, running to play tag, running to get the loose dodgeball, running to the 4-square line. One half hour per day you say?! Insanity. No wonder ADHD is so commonly diagnosed.

Technology from the home should absolutely be banned during the schoolday. There is NO potential emergency that requires a child to be connected to the internet and the phone 24 hours a day.

Jason P

I remember being a little bastard to my teachers :P

I was usually a little subtle about it, but I do remember setting off my 10th grade science teacher where I thought he may either punch me or throw me out the 3rd story window. To be fair, I almost burned the school down with a bunson burner a month earlier.

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