shut down-temp.deal ?

Godfather.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/10/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t1

what a frigging mess ...our government has just showed their hand....they all suck ass big time,I'm friggin disgusted with the whole lot of them.

Godfather.

josevolution

I say yeah shut it down Obama don't give in to anything the GOP demands ....I say fucke'm let them burry themselves ..

brianlux

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/10/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

what a frigging mess ...our government has just showed their hand....they all suck ass big time,I'm friggin disgusted with the whole lot of them.

Godfather.

I'm a bit surprised by your rancor here, GF. This article seems to indicate both sides are talking and overall is more positive than previous reports. Maybe too little too late for you? It is a mess, that's for certain.

Godfather.

brianlux wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/10/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

what a frigging mess ...our government has just showed their hand....they all suck ass big time,I'm friggin disgusted with the whole lot of them.

Godfather.

I'm a bit surprised by your rancor here, GF. This article seems to indicate both sides are talking and overall is more positive than previous reports. Maybe too little too late for you? It is a mess, that's for certain.

I don't believe any of this is nesessary it seems like a chess game at the expense of the American people being used as pawns in their struggle for power.

Godfather.

Godfather.

josevolution wrote:

I say yeah shut it down Obama don't give in to anything the GOP demands ....I say fucke'm let them burry themselves ..

you mean us ?

Godfather.

josevolution

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I say yeah shut it down Obama don't give in to anything the GOP demands ....I say fucke'm let them burry themselves ..

you mean us ?

Godfather.

No i mean the whole GOP PARTY let them burry themselves , wich by the way they are doing a great job at ...

Godfather.

josevolution wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I say yeah shut it down Obama don't give in to anything the GOP demands ....I say fucke'm let them burry themselves ..

you mean us ?

Godfather.

No i mean the whole GOP PARTY let them burry themselves , wich by the way they are doing a great job at ...

and how are they suffering ? and the obama boot lickers are they suffering ? put your political jabs at me away I think both partys are a friggin mess.

Godfather.

josevolution

Agreed GF THEY BOTH ARE PATHETIC , didn't mean to jab you and i thought you were pretty good at ducking weabing ..... Have a safe weekend

backseatLover12

josevolution wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I say yeah shut it down Obama don't give in to anything the GOP demands ....I say fucke'm let them burry themselves ..

you mean us ?

Godfather.

No i mean the whole GOP PARTY let them bury themselves , wich by the way they are doing a great job at ...

This ENTIRE thing was caused by the GOP, and that's regardless as to how fucked up the system as a whole is.

Godfather.

josevolution wrote:

Agreed GF THEY BOTH ARE PATHETIC , didn't mean to jab you and i thought you were pretty good at ducking weabing ..... Have a safe weekend

and you do the same brother ! enjoy and be safe.

Godfather.

aerial

Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America's debt problem.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.....Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here.'' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.

Anyone know who said this??? In 2006 during discussion in the U.S. Senate prior to the call for votes on raising the debt limit.


OBAMA

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/10/politics/shutdown-showdown/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

what a frigging mess ...our government has just showed their hand....they all suck ass big time,I'm friggin disgusted with the whole lot of them.

Godfather.

I'm a bit surprised by your rancor here, GF. This article seems to indicate both sides are talking and overall is more positive than previous reports. Maybe too little too late for you? It is a mess, that's for certain.

I don't believe any of this is nesessary it seems like a chess game at the expense of the American people being used as pawns in their struggle for power.

Godfather.

same as it ever was

Godfather.

Andy Mangione, who lives in Louisville, Ky. with his wife Amy and their two boys, is doing the same thing millions of people are doing -- trying to figure out how much his insurance will cost under ObamaCare.

Before the exchanges opened, his insurance company said his rates would soar. But now that there are subsidies, he's been trying for days to find out how much he would get.

"To logically compare plans, I've been calling them every day since October 1st," says Mangione, "several times a day on some occasions. Sometimes enduring 45, 50 minute holds, half an hour holds."

Although Kentucky officials were unable to give him a firm number on his subsidy because of repeated IT problems, they did refer him to a Kaiser Family Foundation site, which suggests his subsidy will be $414 a month -- on a premium of $868.

"What I'm concerned about is our doctor visits, our emergency room visits, and what I'm paying in my premium," says Mangione.

The problem is the plan closest to what he has now will mean a 24 percent increase over his current payment-- after subsidies.

And his co-pay for emergency room visits almost tripled -- from $125 to $350 -- an important factor for a family with two young boys.

"They're climbing trees, they're falling out of trees. They're running around falling off their bike, they're very active. They're not unlike any other 8 and 10 year old boys," their dad says.

The Mangiones found one plan with smaller premiums, but their doctor was out of network, ultimately making it more expensive for them.

They're not the only ones with sticker shock.

Members of Congress say constituents have been complaining, as they recently described some of their mail.

Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., read from one constituent who said "I remember our president saying the new health care bill will reduce costs. I have my health care renewal forms, and the premium has increased about 15 percent, a $700 deductible is added, and my co-payment has increased."

Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., also read letters from some of his constituents.

"Mike from Hickory saw his premiums rise from $388 to $650. Phil from Forest City saw an increase, even though his policy didn't change, saw an increase of 42 percent."

Some Fox viewers in Alabama also wrote in. Although they asked their names not be used, one couple about 60 years old sent detailed information about their rate increases, which will add 82 percent to their annual health care costs. At the same time, their deductibles increased by a third.

For people on the individual market who have some catastrophic condition or illness, ObamaCare will bring benefits, but critics say their needs could be addressed at much lower costs to everyone else.

As far as the rollout is concerned, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said Friday that "the problems with the exchanges are systematic, profound and indisputable," and he called on Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to resign for what he called "gross incompetence."


well what do you guy's think ?....


Godfather.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

Andy Mangione, who lives in Louisville, Ky. with his wife Amy and their two boys, is doing the same thing millions of people are doing -- trying to figure out how much his insurance will cost under ObamaCare.

Before the exchanges opened, his insurance company said his rates would soar. But now that there are subsidies, he's been trying for days to find out how much he would get.

"To logically compare plans, I've been calling them every day since October 1st," says Mangione, "several times a day on some occasions. Sometimes enduring 45, 50 minute holds, half an hour holds."

Although Kentucky officials were unable to give him a firm number on his subsidy because of repeated IT problems, they did refer him to a Kaiser Family Foundation site, which suggests his subsidy will be $414 a month -- on a premium of $868.

"What I'm concerned about is our doctor visits, our emergency room visits, and what I'm paying in my premium," says Mangione.

The problem is the plan closest to what he has now will mean a 24 percent increase over his current payment-- after subsidies.

And his co-pay for emergency room visits almost tripled -- from $125 to $350 -- an important factor for a family with two young boys.

"They're climbing trees, they're falling out of trees. They're running around falling off their bike, they're very active. They're not unlike any other 8 and 10 year old boys," their dad says.

The Mangiones found one plan with smaller premiums, but their doctor was out of network, ultimately making it more expensive for them.

They're not the only ones with sticker shock.

Members of Congress say constituents have been complaining, as they recently described some of their mail.

Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., read from one constituent who said "I remember our president saying the new health care bill will reduce costs. I have my health care renewal forms, and the premium has increased about 15 percent, a $700 deductible is added, and my co-payment has increased."

Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., also read letters from some of his constituents.

"Mike from Hickory saw his premiums rise from $388 to $650. Phil from Forest City saw an increase, even though his policy didn't change, saw an increase of 42 percent."

Some Fox viewers in Alabama also wrote in. Although they asked their names not be used, one couple about 60 years old sent detailed information about their rate increases, which will add 82 percent to their annual health care costs. At the same time, their deductibles increased by a third.

For people on the individual market who have some catastrophic condition or illness, ObamaCare will bring benefits, but critics say their needs could be addressed at much lower costs to everyone else.

As far as the rollout is concerned, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said Friday that "the problems with the exchanges are systematic, profound and indisputable," and he called on Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to resign for what he called "gross incompetence."


well what do you guy's think ?....


Godfather.

Some of think you need to come to terms with the fact that your guy lost and the big bad black man got in. Time to get over it and let it go brother.

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Andy Mangione, who lives in Louisville, Ky. with his wife Amy and their two boys, is doing the same thing millions of people are doing -- trying to figure out how much his insurance will cost under ObamaCare.

Before the exchanges opened, his insurance company said his rates would soar. But now that there are subsidies, he's been trying for days to find out how much he would get.

"To logically compare plans, I've been calling them every day since October 1st," says Mangione, "several times a day on some occasions. Sometimes enduring 45, 50 minute holds, half an hour holds."

Although Kentucky officials were unable to give him a firm number on his subsidy because of repeated IT problems, they did refer him to a Kaiser Family Foundation site, which suggests his subsidy will be $414 a month -- on a premium of $868.

"What I'm concerned about is our doctor visits, our emergency room visits, and what I'm paying in my premium," says Mangione.

The problem is the plan closest to what he has now will mean a 24 percent increase over his current payment-- after subsidies.

And his co-pay for emergency room visits almost tripled -- from $125 to $350 -- an important factor for a family with two young boys.

"They're climbing trees, they're falling out of trees. They're running around falling off their bike, they're very active. They're not unlike any other 8 and 10 year old boys," their dad says.

The Mangiones found one plan with smaller premiums, but their doctor was out of network, ultimately making it more expensive for them.

They're not the only ones with sticker shock.

Members of Congress say constituents have been complaining, as they recently described some of their mail.

Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., read from one constituent who said "I remember our president saying the new health care bill will reduce costs. I have my health care renewal forms, and the premium has increased about 15 percent, a $700 deductible is added, and my co-payment has increased."

Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., also read letters from some of his constituents.

"Mike from Hickory saw his premiums rise from $388 to $650. Phil from Forest City saw an increase, even though his policy didn't change, saw an increase of 42 percent."

Some Fox viewers in Alabama also wrote in. Although they asked their names not be used, one couple about 60 years old sent detailed information about their rate increases, which will add 82 percent to their annual health care costs. At the same time, their deductibles increased by a third.

For people on the individual market who have some catastrophic condition or illness, ObamaCare will bring benefits, but critics say their needs could be addressed at much lower costs to everyone else.

As far as the rollout is concerned, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said Friday that "the problems with the exchanges are systematic, profound and indisputable," and he called on Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to resign for what he called "gross incompetence."


well what do you guy's think ?....


Godfather.

Some of think you need to come to terms with the fact that your guy lost and the big bad black man got in. Time to get over it and let it go brother.

:shock: NOOOOOOOOO ! STOP THE MADNESS !!!!!!


Godfather.

Guitar92player

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Andy Mangione, who lives in Louisville, Ky. with his wife Amy and their two boys, is doing the same thing millions of people are doing -- trying to figure out how much his insurance will cost under ObamaCare.

Before the exchanges opened, his insurance company said his rates would soar. But now that there are subsidies, he's been trying for days to find out how much he would get.

"To logically compare plans, I've been calling them every day since October 1st," says Mangione, "several times a day on some occasions. Sometimes enduring 45, 50 minute holds, half an hour holds."

Although Kentucky officials were unable to give him a firm number on his subsidy because of repeated IT problems, they did refer him to a Kaiser Family Foundation site, which suggests his subsidy will be $414 a month -- on a premium of $868.

"What I'm concerned about is our doctor visits, our emergency room visits, and what I'm paying in my premium," says Mangione.

The problem is the plan closest to what he has now will mean a 24 percent increase over his current payment-- after subsidies.

And his co-pay for emergency room visits almost tripled -- from $125 to $350 -- an important factor for a family with two young boys.

"They're climbing trees, they're falling out of trees. They're running around falling off their bike, they're very active. They're not unlike any other 8 and 10 year old boys," their dad says.

The Mangiones found one plan with smaller premiums, but their doctor was out of network, ultimately making it more expensive for them.

They're not the only ones with sticker shock.

Members of Congress say constituents have been complaining, as they recently described some of their mail.

Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., read from one constituent who said "I remember our president saying the new health care bill will reduce costs. I have my health care renewal forms, and the premium has increased about 15 percent, a $700 deductible is added, and my co-payment has increased."

Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., also read letters from some of his constituents.

"Mike from Hickory saw his premiums rise from $388 to $650. Phil from Forest City saw an increase, even though his policy didn't change, saw an increase of 42 percent."

Some Fox viewers in Alabama also wrote in. Although they asked their names not be used, one couple about 60 years old sent detailed information about their rate increases, which will add 82 percent to their annual health care costs. At the same time, their deductibles increased by a third.

For people on the individual market who have some catastrophic condition or illness, ObamaCare will bring benefits, but critics say their needs could be addressed at much lower costs to everyone else.

As far as the rollout is concerned, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said Friday that "the problems with the exchanges are systematic, profound and indisputable," and he called on Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to resign for what he called "gross incompetence."


well what do you guy's think ?....


Godfather.

Some of think you need to come to terms with the fact that your guy lost and the big bad black man got in. Time to get over it and let it go brother.

I agree.

The new healthcare system is law. No changing that right now. Of course everything you posted Godfather is an attack on Obamacare because it came from a conservative news site.

Here's how I see it.

Republicans just need to end the shutdown and keep Obamacare in. If everything goes to hell like they think, then the American people will vote someone into office the next Presidential election that will get rid of Obamacare.

The longer the shutdown goes the more hatred Americans will feel towards Congress, which is going to get most of them fired and replaced, possibly with a Democratic-majority, which would make many conservatives (especially against Obamacare) very angry and powerless to have a balance in Washington.

The debt ceiling is dumb too. If both sides did their job and talked about how to balance the budget, progress would have been made.

Godfather.

Guitar92player wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Andy Mangione, who lives in Louisville, Ky. with his wife Amy and their two boys, is doing the same thing millions of people are doing -- trying to figure out how much his insurance will cost under ObamaCare.

Before the exchanges opened, his insurance company said his rates would soar. But now that there are subsidies, he's been trying for days to find out how much he would get.

"To logically compare plans, I've been calling them every day since October 1st," says Mangione, "several times a day on some occasions. Sometimes enduring 45, 50 minute holds, half an hour holds."

Although Kentucky officials were unable to give him a firm number on his subsidy because of repeated IT problems, they did refer him to a Kaiser Family Foundation site, which suggests his subsidy will be $414 a month -- on a premium of $868.

"What I'm concerned about is our doctor visits, our emergency room visits, and what I'm paying in my premium," says Mangione.

The problem is the plan closest to what he has now will mean a 24 percent increase over his current payment-- after subsidies.

And his co-pay for emergency room visits almost tripled -- from $125 to $350 -- an important factor for a family with two young boys.

"They're climbing trees, they're falling out of trees. They're running around falling off their bike, they're very active. They're not unlike any other 8 and 10 year old boys," their dad says.

The Mangiones found one plan with smaller premiums, but their doctor was out of network, ultimately making it more expensive for them.

They're not the only ones with sticker shock.

Members of Congress say constituents have been complaining, as they recently described some of their mail.

Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., read from one constituent who said "I remember our president saying the new health care bill will reduce costs. I have my health care renewal forms, and the premium has increased about 15 percent, a $700 deductible is added, and my co-payment has increased."

Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., also read letters from some of his constituents.

"Mike from Hickory saw his premiums rise from $388 to $650. Phil from Forest City saw an increase, even though his policy didn't change, saw an increase of 42 percent."

Some Fox viewers in Alabama also wrote in. Although they asked their names not be used, one couple about 60 years old sent detailed information about their rate increases, which will add 82 percent to their annual health care costs. At the same time, their deductibles increased by a third.

For people on the individual market who have some catastrophic condition or illness, ObamaCare will bring benefits, but critics say their needs could be addressed at much lower costs to everyone else.

As far as the rollout is concerned, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said Friday that "the problems with the exchanges are systematic, profound and indisputable," and he called on Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to resign for what he called "gross incompetence."


well what do you guy's think ?....


Godfather.

Some of think you need to come to terms with the fact that your guy lost and the big bad black man got in. Time to get over it and let it go brother.

I agree.

The new healthcare system is law. No changing that right now. Of course everything you posted Godfather is an attack on Obamacare because it came from a conservative news site.

Here's how I see it.

Republicans just need to end the shutdown and keep Obamacare in. If everything goes to hell like they think, then the American people will vote someone into office the next Presidential election that will get rid of Obamacare.

The longer the shutdown goes the more hatred Americans will feel towards Congress, which is going to get most of them fired and replaced, possibly with a Democratic-majority, which would make many conservatives (especially against Obamacare) very angry and powerless to have a balance in Washington.

The debt ceiling is dumb too. If both sides did their job and talked about how to balance the budget, progress would have been made.

just posting the other side my friend, I keep reading news reports of large companys choosing to pay the fine rather than accept obama care and hearing that congress is not forced to use obama care makes me wonder if obama care is all that great ? it sounds like there a few people that will benefit from it but the over all population will get hit with higher rates and fines,how will this affect my father who is in his 70's and retired and in good health ? will he have to buy into obama care ? or my self employed bro-n-law ...so far he's telling me he and my sis are getting the shaft, from all that I am reading and hearing obama care is a bad deal.

Godfather.

Godfather.

...it sounds like it needs to be tuned up and straightened out a little before it can work for everybody not just the professionally unemployed (the people that work the system ).


Godfather.

Jason P

Even if a temp deal is reached, we will experiance the exact same crisis in a mere three months. I think we are going to be in a perpetual debt crisis and get to watch this chicken show for the rest of our lives or until markets collapse.

hedonist

Jason P wrote:

Even if a temp deal is reached, we will experiance the exact same crisis in a mere three months. I think we are going to be in a perpetual debt crisis and get to watch this chicken show for the rest of our lives or until markets collapse.

I believe you're correct.

I also believe I'm sick of hearing this "black man" shit. One can criticize the President - anyone - and (gasp!) it can have NOTHING to do with the color of their skin.

brianlux

Jason P wrote:

Even if a temp deal is reached, we will experiance the exact same crisis in a mere three months. I think we are going to be in a perpetual debt crisis and get to watch this chicken show for the rest of our lives or until markets collapse.

Yeah, the whole thing will fall apart sooner or later. Probably sooner.

What ever happened to the trillion dollar coin thing? What was that about?

Jason P

The good news ... a compromise has been reached

The bad news ... it all starts over again on January 15th.

My advice ... don't plan any trips to federally funded sites between 1/15/14 and 2/7/14 :geek:

backseatLover12

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