GRAND RAPIDS - Ticket Problem Thread

bones0138

Pearls&Stones wrote:

WAAAAA WAAA *****kick Mommy's car seat**** WAAA WAAAA WAAAA I got something slighlty worse than I was vaguely promised *** WAAA WAAA WAAA

hey, i didn't write that, the 10 club did...what do i care what you say anyway...'98...your a poser "last kiss" fan. you wouldn't have enjoyed the show tonight, they didn't play it.

Milestone

bones0138 wrote:

hey, i didn't write that, the 10 club did...what do i care what you say anyway...'98...your a poser "last kiss" fan. you wouldn't have enjoyed the show tonight, they didn't play it.

Fucking elitist. Someone's first show is in '98 and their a poser? Fuck you. I hope your seats are in the mezzanine bathroom.

bones0138

Milestone wrote:

Fucking elitist. Someone's first show is in '98 and their a poser? Fuck you. I hope your seats are in the mezzanine bathroom.

...spoken like another poser.

Milestone

bones0138 wrote:

and you should blow me...spoken like another poser.

That's funny shit. Jerking off to the 1991 PJ Rolling Stone cover didn't make you the coolest kid in class. I'll bet you ran out to the nearest NJ mall and looked for flannel shirts.

I've been a fan of the band since day-fucking-one. While you were in New Jersey sucking cock at a Springsteen show, I was here in the Northwest seeing PJ.

bones0138

Milestone wrote:

That's funny shit. Jerking off to the 1991 PJ Rolling Stone cover didn't make you the coolest kid in class. I'll bet you ran out to the nearest NJ mall and looked for flannel shirts.

I've been a fan of the band since day-fucking-one. While you were in New Jersey sucking cock at a Springsteen show, I was here in the Northwest seeing PJ.

your my hero...poser.

bones0138

Milestone wrote:

That's funny shit. Jerking off to the 1991 PJ Rolling Stone cover didn't make you the coolest kid in class. I'll bet you ran out to the nearest NJ mall and looked for flannel shirts.

I've been a fan of the band since day-fucking-one. While you were in New Jersey sucking cock at a Springsteen show, I was here in the Northwest seeing PJ.

oh wait, now your an elitist and a poser.

rollingstone423

heyyyy i want sum puusssseeeeyyyy- yeahhhh- pussssssssieeeeeeee- p-p-p-p-p-p-pusy-pussy-pussy- li love you all, goodnight!

Milestone

bones0138 wrote:

oh wait, now your an elitist and a poser.

I'll be a true elitist, and help you out with some English.

"you're" = you are.

Don't be afraid to use an apostrophe.

bones0138

Milestone wrote:

I'll be a true elitist, and help you out with some English.

"you're" = you are.

Don't be afraid to use an apostrophe.

again bitch, YOUR my hero.

wavin_goodbye

based on the way you treat other people, seems like none of you ever bothered to listen to the music.

bones0138

Milestone wrote:

I'll be a true elitist, and help you out with some English.

"you're" = you are.

Don't be afraid to use an apostrophe.

by the way bitch, no use for a comma there.

Fahka

not that i have a great number or anything, and i think its kind of cool for the show to be mixed matched a little bit...i mean, everyone should have a shot at first row, everyone:)



but....





you have to admit, they have put in their time.... i mean they've paid their 15 bucks on time every year to ensure themselves good seats, and thats kinda why most people join 10c, its the whole appeal of it ... so, i think (if this isnt just a ticket fluke) they will have a right to bitch and moan all they want.


allow me to analogize...










its like an early bird special at a department store, and making all the people who were at the door first, move out of the way and let the people who didnt arrive early, go ahead of them. So, the 'early birds' got out of bed early, patiently waited for the doors to open, and all they wanted was to get inside, and get some good deals for their effort, as the advertisement said.



and yes, i understand the opposing view as well. "the early bird always gets here before us, so we will never win!"









god, the time and mind power i put into posts here could of landed me the nobel prize already had i put the effort into a better cause

dthomas

I just posted this in another thread:

OK two main things:
1. The guys that got front row with numbers 130xxx were super psyched and never got that close before so that was really cool and I think they should mix up the seating to allow for this from time to time.

2. That said with #105xxx I was thinking this might be my chance to get row 1 since that's only happened for me one other time. I would NOT have taken a day off work and driven to GR from Chicago with my wife if I had known I would be way up in row R on the side of the stage right in front of an overcrowded luxury suite of screaming idiots (ruining hard to imagine). I could have planned to sell the tickets, upgrade or whatever. Many TM buyers had better seats than 10C. I also only went to Chicago and here. I'm not one of the people that go to 20+ shows a tour [I'm not an ELITIST]. I'd like a chance at a great seat too. Just let us know the deal and we'll adapt. But shortchanging people like a girl that drove all the way from Iowa, two women next to us that came from Inidiana for their only show of the tour. Those folks got royally screwed.

I also don't think this was a mistake. Eddie said a few negative things about chicago and "Grand rapids who would of knew". I got an envelope with ten club and my name and # printed on it. Unlike in chicago. Seemed very deliberate.

Also the crowd was way more into it tonight. But I think our section of #s 45xxx-108xxx was up and moving considering where we were and if things had gone according to plan the floor with us in it would have been just as amped. Great set, show etc. etc.

pghas

dthomas wrote:

I just posted this in another thread:

OK two main things:
1. The guys that got front row with numbers 130xxx were super psyched and never got that close before so that was really cool and I think they should mix up the seating to allow for this from time to time.

2. That said with #105xxx I was thinking this might be my chance to get row 1 since that's only happened for me one other time. I would NOT have taken a day off work and driven to GR from Chicago with my wife if I had known I would be way up in row R on the side of the stage right in front of an overcrowded luxury suite of screaming idiots (ruining hard to imagine). I could have planned to sell the tickets, upgrade or whatever. Many TM buyers had better seats than 10C. I also only went to Chicago and here. I'm not one of the people that go to 20+ shows a tour [I'm not an ELITIST]. I'd like a chance at a great seat too. Just let us know the deal and we'll adapt. But shortchanging people like a girl that drove all the way from Iowa, two women next to us that came from Inidiana for their only show of the tour. Those folks got royally screwed.

I also don't think this was a mistake. Eddie said a few negative things about chicago and "Grand rapids who would of knew". I got an envelope with ten club and my name and # printed on it. Unlike in chicago. Seemed very deliberate.

Also the crowd was way more into it tonight. But I think our section of #s 45xxx-108xxx was up and moving considering where we were and if things had gone according to plan the floor with us in it would have been just as amped. Great set, show etc. etc.

First I'd like to say that I'm glad you had a great time. As a longtime jamband fan as well as PJ fan, I know thes setlist doesn't make the show, but PJ is pretty damn consistent, and all 3 of these last shows look awesome at least on paper. The band is en fuego.

That said, its comments like yours that are exactly why people with higher numbers enjoy watching people with lower numbers not be in the front row. Your seats were still better than what, 80-85% of the people in the place? And you're saying that people around you and you were "royally screwed"? While I understand the fact that it is generally a seniority based system, and that's fine, stop acting like the simple act of sending a check for a measly $15 in annually so you'll get your Christmas single is somehow the equivalent of having "worked' or "paying your dues" in some way that should entitle you to be treated royally. It's a fan club. You joined. That means that every show you go to, you will be sitting in the best 15% of seats in the house. No other band does this. In fact I think it would be better if there were no seniority at all. NO OTHER BAND has a fanclub that hooks its members up like this, NONE, and the ones that do give out fanclub seats do NOT base anything off of seniority. I saw the Grateful Dead 35 times, and I mail ordered for most of those shows through the band. ONE TIME I wound up in the third row, and another in some great side seats, and the rest of the time I was upstairs, maybe even behind the stage. And I was happier than a pig in shit because just getting in the door was an accomplishment and all you needed to have fun.

The 10C should NOT be looked at as some pipeline to the front row for the bunch of people who sent their checks in every year. The way it should be looked at is "yeah, Im in the 10C so I got tickets, and - BONUS - they will definitely be great seats, and if Im really lucky I'll have the kind of experience that MOST consider once-in-a-lifetime and get up front." Having been up front for shows, I also find it ridiculous that people are so selfish they think they deserve to own that experience because of their seniority. EVERYONE should be so lucky as to sit up front once.

This whole thing is so reflective of our society as a whole - I won't get into it, but its so "America in 2006" its not even funny. No doubt, the band members love what happened last night. That is so "Pearl Jam"its not even funny.

turquoisetrouble

pghas wrote:

First I'd like to say that I'm glad you had a great time. As a longtime jamband fan as well as PJ fan, I know thes setlist doesn't make the show, but PJ is pretty damn consistent, and all 3 of these last shows look awesome at least on paper. The band is en fuego.

That said, its comments like yours that are exactly why people with higher numbers enjoy watching people with lower numbers not be in the front row. Your seats were still better than what, 80-85% of the people in the place? And you're saying that people around you and you were "royally screwed"? While I understand the fact that it is generally a seniority based system, and that's fine, stop acting like the simple act of sending a check for a measly $15 in annually so you'll get your Christmas single is somehow the equivalent of having "worked' or "paying your dues" in some way that should entitle you to be treated royally. It's a fan club. You joined. That means that every show you go to, you will be sitting in the best 15% of seats in the house. No other band does this. In fact I think it would be better if there were no seniority at all. NO OTHER BAND has a fanclub that hooks its members up like this, NONE, and the ones that do give out fanclub seats do NOT base anything off of seniority. I saw the Grateful Dead 35 times, and I mail ordered for most of those shows through the band. ONE TIME I wound up in the third row, and another in some great side seats, and the rest of the time I was upstairs, maybe even behind the stage. And I was happier than a pig in shit because just getting in the door was an accomplishment and all you needed to have fun.

The 10C should NOT be looked at as some pipeline to the front row for the bunch of people who sent their checks in every year. The way it should be looked at is "yeah, Im in the 10C so I got tickets, and - BONUS - they will definitely be great seats, and if Im really lucky I'll have the kind of experience that MOST consider once-in-a-lifetime and get up front." Having been up front for shows, I also find it ridiculous that people are so selfish they think they deserve to own that experience because of their seniority. EVERYONE should be so lucky as to sit up front once.

This whole thing is so reflective of our society as a whole - I won't get into it, but its so "America in 2006" its not even funny. No doubt, the band members love what happened last night. That is so "Pearl Jam"its not even funny.

Here, here, Pghas! Here, here! Pearl Jam is a privilege. And being in a fan club for an extended period of time is a beautiful thing, sure. But in the end, we should accept that Pearl Jam is an authoritarian system, and it should, I repeat, should be that way. The artists should have total control of their work. And the artists should have total control of the most faithful, submissive fan. And I am happily submissive in this situation, because they are musical gods. As part of this lordship, they should be able to assemble their courtyard however they please. And the people shall be happy. And they should be, and I mean it. Dictatorships are good things in some cases, and in this case, it's a beautiful thing. I'm not full of bs here, I speak the truth. We're an artist's canvas, the audience, and the band, as part of their art, should be able to work the crowd as they want, move them around as they want. And what's beautiful about this situation, is that they can do it in a certain way, because the core audience is defined by numbers. The lower and higher number individuals have certain characteristics. They found that they'd like to mix it up, see what it's like with the higher numbers up front. It's an art. It's a canvas. There was legalese when you signed up, because entertainment lawyers exist, and 10c will deny anything happened, because they don't want to get sued. But that's ok, PJ are musical gods (with the small letter g). Clapton was a musical god. The Beatles too. Now PJ is, and we, the audience are part of the art. It's a privilege to be part of the audience, so consider yourself lucky to be there at all. Life's too short.

(Edit: LOL on this by the way, in case you can't tell. I mean this stuff but don't at the same time. I don't think anyone's suing the 10C, at least no one on this board. They should be suing us. LOL)

PearlJamBob

bones0138 wrote:

by the way bitch, no use for a comma there.

you're right, there was no use for a comma, but there was use for an apostrophe

you're = you are

PearlJamBob

remember that guy a few weeks ago who was complaining about his friend being able to retain his lower number even though he didn't renew on time?

I wonder if he was at the Grand Rapids show. That would be F'ng priceless if he got better seats than his friend.

CJMST3K

"Tickets are allocated by seniority within the fan club. The longer you have been in the club, the closer your seats are to the stage. Proximity to the stage is also contingent upon how many members are in attendance at a show."

so, those who are cool with this change... you're saying it's OK for the band to alter their Terms and Conditions at will - following a non-refundable sale, and when the purchaser does not obtain the tickets until just hours before the show? This would be (unless a mishap) 100% illegal.

Wow... I hope when you people have a wedding or something, you rent a nice banquet room that is far away from home, and when you arrive, they put you in the basement, and they tell you "some people would be very thankful for this basement".

I have NO problem if they want to put members 25xxx in the rafters, and 300xxx on Eddies lap - no problem at all... but not for the tickets already sold. The tickets already sold fall within THEIR OWN terms and conditions.

moemoe6434

Maybe they did it jus tthis once on purpose to make the low #'s appreciate what they have been handed to them for all these years.... and much to eddies pleasure, i am sure, it worked.

maak

I was at both chicago shows and I noticed that a lot of the people in the 1st 4 rows were friends of the band because they had the vinyl stickers that the band gives out to relatives and whatnot. so if pearl jam was mad at the response in chicago some of it may have had to do with giving out those passes. this is just my thoughts on the subject but i will probably get thrown on the fire for pointing this out.